yes my partner is malaysian they have these cars out there too
seems a good deal versus a uk corolla/arius
certainly a proper auto instead on MMT would be good
i liked them
of course as an import they would be useless as they come standard with air con but no heater...
lots of protons out there as well, actually very impressed with the standard of home built cars they have
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yes my partner is malaysian they have these cars out there too seems a good deal versus a uk corolla/arius
AIR, import taxes on cars in Thailand are massive, something like 100%, so you can choose from a short list of locally manufactured cars (cheap, thanks to cheap labour costs), or else buy an imported European model for stupid money, far more than here, and in local terms, even more absurd.
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lots of protons out there as well actually very impressed with the standard of home built cars they have
Malaysians are very proud of their industries and all drive Protons with Malaysian flags on to make it quite clear their patriotism. Quite a good trait really. Not so sure about the racist Malaysia for the Malays policies (bumiputra) they have, nor the sharia law they impose on people who happen to be of a certain race, regardless of their own wishes or beliefs.
Aside from that, a little car-buying nationalism in the UK might not have gone amiss - Protons are not much cop, but the Malaysians drive them to support their country. National/civic pride is not really a concept that exists any more in the UK, pictures in the 50s of houses in Bethnal Green waving flags for the coronation could never be repeated today; I suspect that the BBC and the like treat any kind of flag waving/patriotism as meaning you must be some kind of BNP-supporting racist, and hence anything other than sneering about Britain and its values and achievements is something that is rarely seen.
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....Aside from that, a little car-buying nationalism in the UK might not have gone amiss - Protons are not much cop, but the Malaysians drive them to support their country......
I thought that was was taxes were for, not buying over-priced, outdated, hopelessly uncompetitive junk foisted upon a public, some of whom were mug enough to buy it because of a misguided sense of ´nationalism´ ?
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I thought that was was taxes were for not buying over-priced outdated hopelessly uncompetitive junk foisted upon a public some of whom were mug enough to buy it because of a misguided sense of ´nationalism´ ?
taxes destroy enterprise, not create it.
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taxes destroy enterprise not create it.
Yes, the 'Daily Mail' ideology...
There are hardly any vehicle manufacturers of significance which have not benefitted from some kind of public subsidy over the years. Those that haven't are mostly no longer with us.
Tax barriers have also been used to protect domestic motor companies whilst they grow - the Japanese probably being the best example of this, but the Koreans and Malaysians also. They errected a whole load of tax and legislative barriers to prevent significant sales of imported cars whilst their own industry could become established.
Historically, the German motor industry received massive government subsidy - BMW, MB and Porsche received tax breaks which meant they could do most of their R&D for free by recalaimings its costs against their corporation taxes. And VW was originally entirely publically owned of course.
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>> >> taxes destroy enterprise not create it. >> Yes the 'Daily Mail' ideology...
Not sure the Daily Mail has an ideology, I tend to read The Guardian myself.
There are hardly any vehicle manufacturers of significance which have not benefitted from some kind of public subsidy over the years. Those that haven't are mostly no longer with us.
British Leyland was heavily subsidised by taxation and it did not do well from it
Tax barriers have also been used to protect domestic motor companies whilst they grow - the Japanese probably being the best example of this but the Koreans and Malaysians also. They errected a whole load of tax and legislative barriers to prevent significant sales of imported cars whilst their own industry could become established.
Indeed we erected barriers to stop the Japanese motor industry in the UK, but they adapted to meet the challenge and destroyed the British competition, despite, not because of the barriers.
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Indeed we erected barriers to stop the Japanese motor industry in the UK but they adapted to meet the challenge and destroyed the British competition despite not because of the barriers.
No we didn't. We had a 'gentleman's agreement' for them to limit imports to a certain percentage of the market for many years. This was abandoned (for obvious reasons) with the Nissan investment in Sunderland. Nor did they 'destroy the British competition' - they were actually very keen to work with the British industry and strongly supported the component manufacturing base here, even when it was not in their short-term financial interest. The Honda link was the best thing that happened to Rover. It all went wrong when BAe sold off to BMW.
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The Japanese motor industry did not destroy the UK motor industry.
The UK motor industry management and unions managed that all by themselves.
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The Japanese motor industry did not destroy the UK motor industry.
Destroyed in the sense of 'was much better than, while still being made in the UK for tax/subsidy reasons, so people didn't buy the British stuff'. Not destroyed as in "actively attacked".
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having lived through non investement by management ,the 3 day week and red robbo ______________________cut ;-)
im laid up with a bad virus but still remember the pre thatcher days and the british motor industry as was
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I suspect that the BBC and the like treat any kind of flag waving/patriotism as meaning you must be some kind of BNP-supporting racist and hence anything other than sneering about Britain and its values and achievements is something that is rarely seen.
Lovely irony there... The BBC is probably one of the best (if not THE best) public service broadcaster in the world. Provides great value (in comparison to competitors) and is something this country can justifiably be proud of. Yet you sneer at it.
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Lovely irony there... The BBC is probably one of the best (if not THE best) public service broadcaster in the world. Provides great value (in comparison to competitors) and is something this country can justifiably be proud of. Yet you sneer at it.
I am not sneering at the BBC as a whole, merely pointing out that it has a certain perspective on the world which has shaped the attitudes of the British nation. So is Business Editor is son of a Labour Baron, and it is, in the words of Andrew Marr, "not impartial or neutral" and has a "cultural liberal bias", and why the coverage of global warming, per Jeremy Paxman, "abandoned the pretence of impartiality long ago".
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Recognising this is motoring web site I will try and be brief - I actually find the BBC extremely arrogant - particularly in the manner they waste licence payers money telling everyone how good they are with their adverts.
I'm not sure about the value element either - what do we get now for our money - some good natural history programmes and Wimbledon - & the journalism is totally sub-standard by other broadcaster standards.
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Anyone who thinks the BBC is poor value or arrogant should try subscribing to Sky for a year (about four times the price of BBC - and there is no debate in Parliment when they want to hike the price). Unless you like a steady stream of Aussie and US pap you'll soon get shot of it. Thank God for those 'liberal intellectuals' at the BBC. Mind you, I still have the Sky dish; they couldn't be bothered to take it down.
It would be nice if those who find so much fault with this country would pack their bags and depart for foreign climes - would leave a bit more room on the roads for those of us who do appreciate it (motoring link...).
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It would be nice if those who find so much fault with this country would pack their bags and depart for foreign climes - would leave a bit more room on the roads for those of us who do appreciate it (motoring link...).
Blimey, dare to criticise the BBC a bit and get told to leave the country. Always knew the lefties were intolerant :-).
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Back on topic please, Toyota's Soluna Vios test if I remember rightly !
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Sorry pug - point taken and noted (although I do agree with Aprilia about Sky).
One thing HJ did say was that as a result of the 5K KM oil changes he was not suffering from the excessive oil consumption - is this the answer to the problem then ?
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