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Should I buy a SAAB? - sarahmoo
OK. Brief summary in a nutshell.

I have a husband and am a mum of 2 young kids! I have never had a new car. I have a 10 year old POLo 100 bhp that has just died. Planned to get a xzara picasso diesel around £6500. Sensible idea. Drove one at a reliable local garage where my mum knows the car salesman really well but wasn't overly excited. Flat and boring. They also had a 54 2.2dti Saab estate in stock. 60K on clock. FSH one owner. Immaculate condition. company car which has been driven up and down M62. Drove it. GORGEOUS. In love with it. He is selling it to me for £9200 which includes £100 to take Polo away.
However, my husband has an S reg Passat petrol esate also inherited from parents so we don't really need another estate. He doesn't want to part with it even though he is a student and it is expensive to run.

My dad LOVED the Saab and said I should buy it but has now changed his mind because he thinks we shouldnt have 2 estate cars.
My parents are concerned that
a) I only have 3 month warranty
b) Servicing and parts are dear
c) If anything like electrics go wrong I am s5*(&*&^&*
d) Insurance is dear!

and think I should get a 2nd hand focus or something sensible. They actually got REALLY nasty tonight when I announced my decision to buy the car....£2000 cash and £7000 on credit o% card...

I havent done it yet. I just feel if I am going to spend money, I may as well have a great car with a bit of ooomph. This is a great deal and a gorgeous car inside and out .. i think. But hey I have never bought a car before. PLease advise. Shall I take this gamble. Everyone I talk to apart from my parents tells me to go for it...

Sorry to ramble . My parents are real control freaks and I need some impartial advice!!!


Cheers


Sarahmoo x
Should I buy a SAAB? - Altea Ego
You are entering into a very very expensive money pit. Now is the time you expect the big bills to start racking up. Compared to running the polo this thing will seem like dick turpin.

If you can afford it fine.

Buying it on credit card suggests you cant.
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HELP! Please advise me! - bristolmotorspeedway {P}
The Saab sounds lovely, but it is a potentially expensive car to run. Only you know your financial circumstances, but can you be sure that the £7000 credit card balance isn't going to cripple your finances? Having been there/done that, I would advise anyone to think very very carefully before putting that kind of balance on a card, even at 0%. Will paying the minimum payments on that balance result in you building up debt elsewhere? What happens when the 0% period ends - what sort of balance will remain then? Sorry to sound dramatic, but please do be careful, these debts can multiply at an alarming rate if you have your figures wrong.

The other thing to consider is whether the Saab is really such a great deal. Check out what they go for elsewhere. Could you get one with a longer warranty for greater peace of mind? On the whole, I don't really think a 2.2 diesel Saab will cost much more to run than a Picasso diesel, both have the potential for big bills, as any reasonably large modern car does. But make sure this isn't heart ruling head, and really do your research on whether or not this is a good deal.

Good luck with your decision making,
Rich
HELP! Please advise me! - cheddar
Is the Polo really only worth £100, might be worth reparing after which it would be worth £1000 + if reasonable condition.

Assume it is a 9-5, the 2.2DTi engine is not a great example of the diesel genre, you mention a Focus, you could get a low mileage 2004 Focus 1.8 TDCi estate, one of the last MkI's for around £7500, much more refined than the Saab and more fun to drive plus ticks Dad's boxes.
HELP! Please advise me! - Armitage Shanks {p}
Hear hear on the comments on the 2.2Tdi engine - old technology and it shows, quite ecenomical though. Never mind the 3 month warranty - SFAIK if anything goes wrong with the car within 6 months (other than wear and tear) it is up to the dealer to prove that the fault wasn't there when the car was sold. Standing by for correction from those more knowledgeable than I! Ie several people here!
HELP! Please advise me! - Vansboy
The Saab certainly is NOT a practical Mums car, I'd say, so it doesn't get my vote.

Neither does the way you intend to fund it!! OK it's 0% plastic, but, at a guess, you'd soon find a better use for the £$£$ if you wanted to spend it, not that you've got it, else you wouldn't use the plastic - if that makes sense!!

& it's a BIG jump from the Polo to just about anything, in real terms, but, more of a leap, to the Saab.

Think I'd be loking at the excellent value cars around, for the £200 cash you have & save a few $£$£!!

Sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear!!

VB
HELP! Please advise me! - Westpig
hubby is a student.....not good for income

2 kids........costs a bit and you no doubt have to either limit your income looking after them or pay for child care

credit card.........convenient, but expensive way of borrowing money unless you can GUARANTEE it will be paid off in the 0% period

i know i probably sound like your father now........but my gut reaction on the limited facts is...

get something considerably cheaper
HELP! Please advise me! - bristolmotorspeedway {P}
Sarahmoo - re the Saab as a good deal or not. I've just found one on Autotrader 05 reg, 48k miles for £700 more than yours. Clincher is that this is a Saab Approved Used car, so 12mths warranty as well as being newer and lower mileage. Bet the dealer would give more than £100 for a ten year old Polo too. If I was you I would walk away very quickly from this 9-5 of yours, it's certainly not an exceptional deal.
HELP! Please advise me! - Aprilia
These SAABs are nice cars, but they don't have a great reputation for reliability and this car is coming out of its warranty cover. It will also shed a lot of its current value over the next couple of years. One 'wobble' with that engine and you could have a £1000 bill to add to your debt. Don't forget its high recurring costs such as servicing and insurance. There is nothing worse than a car that keeps you poor!

Unless you are doing a large annual mileage, you don't need a big Diesel. I would go for a small-medium sized petrol Japanese car (unless you cover a high mileage - 15k per annum or more - in which case consider a Diesel). Think about spending money on a nice family holiday and enjoying watching the kids enjoy themselves on a beach, rather than sitting at home worrying and wondering how you're going to pay the bills on the SAAB.
HELP! Please advise me! - Dalglish
OK it's 0% plastic, but, at a guess, you'd soon find a better use for the £$£$ if you wanted to
spend it, not that you've got it, else you wouldn't use the plastic - ...


whoa there. some of you may be jumping to the wrong conclusion (unless sarahmoo says otherwise) because a lot of money-savvy people use 0% plastic and continually move the balances to new plastic to keep it at 0%. if sarahmoo is not one those "credit card rate-tarts", then obviously the caution against using plastic applies.

i am not sure whether the £100 is a "trade-in-deduction" or an additional charge to dispose polo.
in either case, it looks poor value.

i.m.o. - in sarahmoo's buying position, i would decide not buy the saab.
however, once a woman has her heart set on something, all she wants is others to reinforce that decision and not to say she has got it wrong.

so, sarahmoo, happy motoring and good luck with your new saab.
HELP! Please advise me! - Aprilia
whoa there. some of you may be jumping to the wrong conclusion (unless sarahmoo says
otherwise) because a lot of money-savvy people use 0% plastic and continually move the balances
to new plastic to keep it at 0%. if sarahmoo is not one those "credit
card rate-tarts" then obviously the caution against using plastic applies.


I thought most of the card companies had knobbled that option by applying 'transfer fees'?? I may be wrong and would like to be corrected if I am.
HELP! Please advise me! - bell boy
get it bought OP
Go on you know you want to
dare you.........dare
show them who really is in charge
its only money......plastic at that
HELP! Please advise me! - DavidHM
Three weeks ago I bought a used BMW 5-Series from eBay.

The person who sold it to me was obviously not a car person at all. She'd had it a year, didn't think (and I believe her) that the airbag and battery warning lights were important, had tried to put the car through its MoT with two bald rear tyres, never thought to have it serviced, etc. (None of this makes it a very auspicious purchase, but it was cheap).

She was a mother of two children who wanted a local runaround car. She didn't have either the knowledge or the financial resources to look after a big car like that and, having paid £4,175 for the car 14 months earlier, let it go to me for £2k, probably having forked out in the region of £500 to get it through the MoT for comparatively minor work.

I'm comfortable with the prospect of some big bills and am willing to pay to drive a quality car. Importantly though I also have a certain amount of knowledge - hopefully enough not to be ripped off (unless I want to be - I'm pretty fussy!) and to know what needs doing, when and (broadly) how. However the 5-Series was totally unsuitable for her and she now drives a Fiesta of the same age - and being unsentimental that's probably the way it should be.

Aprilia - the typical transfer fee is 3% and gets you around 9 months - so that's about 4% PA APR if you're not paying the balance back (you shouldn't be - if you have it it should be in a savings account earning interest for you) - so very cheap money if you can get it. Of course it does mean that you're pretty stretched if your financial situation takes a downturn.
HELP! Please advise me! - sarahmoo
WOW!

A lot of replies! THANKS! Food for thought indeed.


It is so much better hearing opinions from people not emotionally blackmailing/attached!


I am not totally money strapped...earn £35k a year. But yes, I have a husband and 2 kids to support. I would get the 0% card as a savvy way of doing the deal.

I do fancy a fastish car though as I am used to 100bhp! So, you have pretty much helped to dissuade me from the Saab. What should I get instead?

Thanks sooooo much in advance for all your help . I feel much better than 15 mins ago.

HELP! Please advise me! - Westpig
I am not totally money strapped...earn £35k a year.


that changes it somewhat.

What does hubby want? or is this a girly indulging thing without him interfering too much?
HELP! Please advise me! - bristolmotorspeedway {P}
I do fancy a fastish car though as I am used to 100bhp! So you
have pretty much helped to dissuade me from the Saab. What should I get instead?

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Something Japanese and reliable to keep you happy for a couple of years. Assuming you don't do too many miles, how about a Honda Accord 2.0i VTEC (prev shape) - around 150bhp. Stacks cheaper than the Saab, and likely to be far more reliable and more fun.
HELP! Please advise me! - tintin01
I love Saabs - we have a 95 petrol estate. But I wouldn't advise you to buy a Saab if money is tight - like all 'big' cars they are expensive to fix and to be honest, 3 months warranty on a £9k car is poor. The depreciation is horrendous - it will be worth very little in 4 or 5 years time when you may still be paying it off.

Servicing is expensive - the 66 thousand mile service on a 93 or 95 will be about £400 at an independant, a lot more at a Saab dealer. Also, as Aprilia says, it is getting more difficult to do the card rate tart thing and with interest rates about to rise it's not the time to be taking financial risks in my view.

Get something more sensible now - in a few years time look for an older Saab from a good independant Saab specialist.
HELP! Please advise me! - sarahmoo
ps ....oh, and my husband is going to be on C. £16k from Sept. Doing a doctorate and being paid to do it....

Should I buy a SAAB? - Happy Blue!
I second all the opinions that suggested avoiding the Saab - steer well away.

There are many more cars that are more suitable for you. As someone else has already mentioned, the Focus estate is a great car both for practicality and driving pleasure. I drive fast, quality cars and rented two Focus estates a few years ago on holidays and was blown away by how good they were to drive.

So what you have two esates? - the alternative is to buy a small hatchback for husband and take his Passat until it starts costing too much to keep on the road.
HELP! Please advise me! - adverse camber
Back to first principles.

What do you need the car to do
and
what do you want it to do/have ?

In terms of the way you use it - passengers, luggage, types of journey, annual miles etc and what you like - leather trim, pink sport seats, etc

then people can recommend things that are likely to suit.
HELP! Please advise me! - sarahmoo
I am so grateful for all this. MANY THANKS for taking the time to read and help with more informed advice! Breathing sigh of relief :) My decision has been made :)


OK,

I need a reasonable size car so I can fit kids in back. Some boot space but doesnt have to be an estate. I do c. 25 miles a day mainly motorway and some long journeys of around 100 miles some weekends.
I want a stylish, good looking car which can move a bit.
Diesel.

Not keen on Nissans, or Renaults...don't know why.... apart from that, v. open minded!

I would love a performance type car...is that realistic? If not, maybe a Focus. What are your thoughts? (Having poured my life history out in the last hour! lol)

Sarah x


HELP! Please advise me! - SpamCan61 {P}
>>Diesel.

Any particular reason it has to be diesel? 25 miles a day is unlikely to be enough to make a diesel cost effective, is there some other reason you want one?
HELP! Please advise me! - Nsar
Golf
HELP! Please advise me! - Mercian
A Honda. How about a Honda Stream 2.0 i-VTEC SE Sport?

Versatile (lots of room and has 6/7 seats) well equipped, good performance (Civic Type S engine) and handling, looks good (or ugly, depending on your viewpoint), rare and will never let you down.
HELP! Please advise me! - Dalglish
I thought most of the card companies had knobbled that option by applying 'transfer fees'?? I
may be wrong and would like to be corrected if I am.


you are correct to say "most".
at the time of posting this reply, my research shows:
a handful of companies offering 0% deals for periods of 12 to 15 months.
a handful of companies allowing 0% free balance transfers for 3 to 6 months.
also a handful of companies are offering 0% balance transfer for 6 to 12 months but charging fees as low as 2%, and in one case a fxed capped fee of £50 regardless of size of transfer.
HELP! Please advise me! - concrete
Hi sarahmoo, don't take this the wrong way but get a grip. Cars are a money drain, always have been always will be. Can you afford a car? No. But you need one anyway, so forget the fantastic drive, the knicker loosening acceleration and handling, it is a mode of transport for now. All this 'go for it' crap by other people, ask them for a loan to buy the car and see the 'go for it' disappear into 'don't do it'.Who is paying to run the car? You are. So work out a sensible budget for running costs per year and get something accordingly. Don't string yourself out for a motorcar, get something you can afford and relax, that's where the pleasure is now. Later when you are an old buffer like me,then you can pick a nice car to enjoy.Also another benefit is owning a car you can actually afford and you can tell your folks what to do with their advice, kindly of course. Best of luck. Concrete.
HELP! Please advise me! - ForumNeedsModerating
>>GORGEOUS. In love with it.

'Nuff said - when we're all driving battery powered pedalos, look back & think why you didn't buy it - having 2 kids is sensible enough.



Should I buy a SAAB? - flunky
OK. Brief summary in a nutshell.
I have a husband and am a mum of 2 young kids! I have never
had a new car. I have a 10 year old POLo 100 bhp that has
just died. Planned to get a xzara picasso diesel around £6500. Sensible idea. Drove one
at a reliable local garage where my mum knows the car salesman really well but
wasn't overly excited. Flat and boring. They also had a 54 2.2dti Saab estate in
stock. 60K on clock. FSH one owner. Immaculate condition. company car which has been driven
up and down M62. Drove it. GORGEOUS. In love with it. He is selling it
to me for £9200 which includes £100 to take Polo away.


If you put the Polo on ebay, somebody will pay *you* to buy it. Should get £200 for it.

I'd buy a Honda Accord, lovely cars. Or a VW Passat.
Should I buy a SAAB? - tintin01
I sympathise. I like sporty cars too - at one point we both had a Saab c900 turbo each. But you really need four doors with kids and although I want to change my sensible Carisma I have struggled to find anything that really appeals. I usually dislike MPV's but the Honda Stream is a really nice looking vehicle, so if you are ready to move into that kind of thing, I would try to find one to have a look at. The general alternatives are the sporty versions of family hatchback, but they don't really do anything for me. I am looking forward to the suggestions from back roomers, it will save me asking in a few months time. You could always buy an older old shape Saab 93 turbo quite cheaply from a good independant, but I think you would find it a bit of a let down after a newish one.
Should I buy a SAAB? - Alebear
Well, there are a lot of people giving sound advice both financially, and pracvtically. However, a few things that they may well be too conservative or cautious to state.
1) I've owned a 9-5 for many years - never regretted it for a moment (now on 125,000 trouble free miles)
2) It isn't as expensive as the cliches would have you believe. You might need to be a bit savvy as to where to buy parts, or who services it, but an intelligent owner is not overwhelmed by such things (partsforsaabs.om and elkparts are great), besides, the parts are GM these days.
3) Being told "I'd prefer a Passat etc" is daft. You like the car for your own reasons - and Saabs, even in their sanitised modern forms still plough a different furrow to the hoi poloi
4) So you're buying on a card? Why not? You're a long time dead, and it isn't that daft a proposition given the 0%.
5) My wife, a not massively confident motorist drives the 9-5 most of the time, taking our 2 and 4 year olds hither and yon. She loves it, and feels very safe in it.
6) For a family few if any cars are safer. It passed NCAP tests before the other manufacturers woke up and twisted rules in order to pass the tests (eg one manufacturer makes their seatbelts work very quickly, thus passing an NCAP test well enough, but actually risking different injuries for real motorists.)
Should I buy a SAAB? - tintin01
Alebear is right - I always feel very safe in our 95 and they are not more expensive to service than other cars if you can find a good independant. I don't know if VW are considered any more reliable these days. They are only a bit bigger than a 93, mpg is about 30, and if you bought an older one, say around £5k, the money saved on depreciation would pay for any repairs. Hmm, I'm not not sure if I'm giving you advice now, or trying to persuade myself that we should get a 95 Aero.
Should I buy a SAAB? - IanJohnson
Have you told the dealer you want to use a credit card yet?

You may find he won't take it as the fees he pays are high!
Should I buy a SAAB? - Dalglish
Have you told the dealer you want to use a credit card yet? ..


pay attention, boys !

sarahmoo has moved on from the saab to possible ford-focus purchase.

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