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Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - norrin
only 20 years old!....

actually , i am a granny but my much loved 20 year old vw polo coupe 1300 is giving me very very low mpg- recent mot (feb) and full service and in last month- recent new fuel pump, second hand distibutor, second hand carb, new coil, new air and fuel filter- some one said that a test and possible adjustment to the carb may solve the problem- no obvious leaks anywhere- am worried about throwing away more money - but i do love this motor; is this carb test worthwhile? thanks to all - norrin

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only 20 years old! - Lud
You have to get ignition timing and mixture spot on for decent fuel economy. If, as is likely, the carb has an automatic choke it is well worth checking that it is working properly, as they often go wrong.

As always, the important thing is that the person entrusted with the work is honest and knows what he or she is doing.
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - Armitage Shanks {p}
Second hand (ie worn) distributor and carb aren't going to contribute much to fuel economy - they may keep the car running but it won't be anywhere near peak efficiency. I accept that, at this age, new parts will be pricey vis a vis the value of the car.
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - Civic8
Is the engine temperature getting up to normal?
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Steve
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - oilrag
Exactly what is the fuel consumption and under what conditions?
Was it like this before all that replacement work or following it?
Regards
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - Granada Cosworth
Not too sure about the second hand carb as what if it's was something wrong with it in the past ?
I can understand about the cost of buying a brand new carb would lighten or empty the bank balance!! As I knew someone who have been down that route before!!
However if it's hadn't been done for 'Tune-Up' then that is what may needs, I had a VW 1.8 Golf Auto. Carb. with a tick over problem and a local tuning guy said it's ideal to spray Carb Cleaner into the opening mouth of the Carb and reving the engine to remove the depoists at every now and again if doing lots of stop & starting and town driving with not much of motorway driving.
A Petrol Treatment poured into the petrol tank can help with the MPG as long there is nothing wrong with the motor.
Good Luck!
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - norrin
80- 90 per 20 quid across city of bristol- poor mpg even before work was done- keep trying to solve the probelm and am grateful for all advice - thankyou
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - norrin
hello oil rag- i think i have replied to myself but i will try again- 80 to 90 miles per 20 quid- even before the work was done- don't want to give up - low in come- feel ther is an answer somehere , thanks in anticipation
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - oilrag
Hi Norrin, I had a 1987 1.3 polo about 10 years ago ( bought at 110,000 miles a SWMBO learner car)
I cant remember the fuel consumption being that bad, it was in the low 30`s to the gallon I seem to remember.

What sort of usage are you giving it? because if its stop start, lots of cold start short trips, auto choke is going to be on all the time and your figures may not be far out.

How has the fuel consumption changed over the years, and what sort of usage is it getting ( trip length etc)
compared with before.

If you can give as much detail as possible about its past and present usage, when the problem first occured, etc.. to get some sort of baseline before considering further interventions.

Regards



Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - oilrag
Sorry to follow up my own post, But on reflection and trying to remember mine 10 years ago..

If it has the Pierburg 2E3 Carb, its possibly the autochoke thats staying on too long and likely other faults/wear in the Carb.

IMHO, this seemed a complex carb when new and just about the `last fling` in carburettor design, ( prior to fuel injection) which was complex by neccessity ( overcomplex many would say) in meeting emmision regulations.

Now 20 years have passed and I can imagine the state they are all likely to be in. It may be that your original one had problems and so did the replacement. Very likely IMHO.

Its just whats cost effective for you, if you REALLY want to keep this Polo.

You can get a manual ( or could) choke conversion. I wonder who had done all your component change work too?

I suggest you find an independent VW specialist if a general garage did your replacement work, as the only definative answer will come from an examination.

A few checks you could do

1)Check that the airfilters clean, it would not be unknown for a garage not to have changed it.

2) go for a steady run for 10 miles or so at about 60mph, stop, not letting the engine run at tickover and take the spark plugs out.
If the plugs are a dry sooty black, its likely the carb at fault.

3) Check the petrol filler `neck` for corrosion porosity under wheel arch, look for any dampness around the tank area.

4) the fuel pump diaphram used to leak petrol into the oil, but as thats been replaced it should be ok.

5) sorry to spell out the obvious, but take the handbrake off , in neutral and see if you can (with safety in mind)
roll the car forward with your shoulder easily on flat ground , to check no brakes are binding.

Also this old carburettored engine even with a pierburg that can be got working reasonably well is not going to fantastic on fuel consumption.

And apologies if I have written things you already know :)
Regards


Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - Armitage Shanks {p}
Oilrag I always read your informed and relevant posts with great interest. Please could you explain the purpose of check 3) in your list above? Is it to check for water getting into the fuel and/or fuel leaking from the tank or filler neck?
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - bell boy
if i can answer?
they leak here eventually--- its the law
the thing is you buy a new tank-- and its the devils own to fit --as there doesnt seem to be enough room to physically put the neck up the hole
unless the copy parts i used to fit were poor copies?
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - oilrag
Thanks for the comments Armitage, Yes the tank rots out along the filler neck under the wheel arch, petrol leaking out.

In the past I used to smother this and the whole metal tank with waterproof, Castrol CL grease. I found it lasts longer than waxoil and the oil in the grease tends to get into the seams better.
Regards
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - dieselhead
I make that around 20-25 MPG which is poor for a petrol 1300 even under city driving conditions it should be 30+. I suspect the thermostat or that the auto choke is staying on too long..any garage worth it's salt should be able to check this.
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - Big John
My wife owned a 1984 1.0 Polo for 19 years (from new) that always had poorish economy from day 1. It only did 35 on a run and less than 30 around town(VW dealer could find nothing wrong) . My sister had a 1990 version that was (and stilll is!) much better on fuel.
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - TurboD
my advice is chuck it away, it's worn out ( never was much good)
get a cheap Mondeo , it will do more to the gallon, be more comfortable, and give you more presence on the road, i.e be safer.
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - rtj70
Am I the only one thinking norrin is a little older ny describing herself as a granny and not a grandmother. And therefore (a) wants a small car, (b) likes the one she has, and (c) pushing it without the handbrake on to do some tests or even doing some of the other suggested work/tests herself is perhaps not appropriate.

I apologise if I am wrong and do not want to cause offence. I think norrin is planning on taking suggestions for someone to look at the problem.

But due to the age of the car maybe a nice but newer Micra or similar makes more sense than spending money without knowing it will fix the underlying problem?
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - MikeTorque
Tend to agree with the above, may be the time has come for a change, a Micra may be a suitable replacement, economical to run and similar size to Polo.
It hurt me to part with my dads Morris Oxford 2 but when you start having to rely on winding down the windows for addition brake assistant and have to put your arm out of the window to help with cornering let alone having to wrap water proofing around various bits to stop it conking out when it rains (and a long walk home having had no breakdown insurance or cash for a taxi) it soon focus's the mind, oh what joy !
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - norrin
hi-( am 63)- all comments gratefully received- and i guess the time has come to chuck it away, but i needed to be told this-thankyou all
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - yorkiebar
But before you throw it away !!

How many miles do you, how relaible is the car, can you aford to spend a lot of money on nearly new car?

If you dont do many mles its probably much cheaper to stick with the car you know, even at the cost of poorer mpg.

If you are going to buy another car you will have to buy nearly new or you will end up with other problems on another car?

Consider evenly first ?
Poor fuel consumption - 1.3 Polo - Fothil

http://www.edgebiz.net/vwks2carburetor.htm

Try looking at this link. It may pinpoint your problem. Does have the same symptoms.