Especially the Pug 306 TD. A mate here recently sold his R reg 306 TD 100k-miles ish with 12 months MoT for £1400. it needed its' aircon sorting, had 7 year old rear tyres with extensive cracking and was bought by a trader (I assume he saw some money in it ??!!)
But why so much ? A 10 yr old non-prestige car with 12 months MoT is worth about £500 to me as long as it has some sort of service history, hasn't been a taxi or had as many owners as I've had hot dinners. At this level, if it goes 'bang' then throw it away or sell it spares/repairs.
Why do people like these old 306 diesels ?
another case was a mates Rover 220 SDi. again, R reg, 170k miles, no MoT or tax and it went for best part of £500 ??!!!
I'd suggested putting in as 'spares or repair" (box had taken to jumping out of gear occansionally) for £100. I wouldn't have given him any more than that for it should I have been in the market for such a car.
Why ?
The Pug case seems unreal. £1400 for a 10 year french car. it's a banger, why would someone pay a 4-figure sum ?
thoughts most appreciated, the buyers of these 2 cars are beyond my understanding...
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The Pug XUD lasts, that's why. See my recent thread.:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=50...4
My 93 405 TD estate is on 181k, and still worth £600+ with an MoT, because they basically reliable, well understood by repairers, normally cheap to fix and so a good medium term buy.
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My 93 405 TD estate is on 181k, and still worth £600+ with an MoT, because they basically reliable, well understood by repairers, normally cheap to fix and so a good medium term buy.
How depressing.
I just sold my 1996 306dt for £250 to get it off my hands after 222,000 miles and 9 years of ownership. Work done on it last year included new timing belt and tensioners, 4 new tyres, reconditioned rear axle and front disks and pads. Moreover, it had 6 months MOT and 8 months road tax left on it. I thought nobody would pay any more than that for a 10 old French bucket. Looks like I gave it away.
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old rear tyres with extensive cracking and was bought by a trader (I assume he saw some money in it ??!!)
Was it used as the getaway car in a beank heist about 10 years ago!
Apart from that it makes no sense to me.
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They run forever given the most basic of maintenance, often return better economy than the latest common rail units, and on the rare occasion they do go wrong, you can fix them yourself with parts from a scrappie and tools found in most people's everyday toolkit.
To replace the injection pump on my Mondeo for example (and I believe the Pugs as well), the most sophisticated bit of kit you need is a dial gauge. On a newer diesel engine you'd need to re-code engine management systems and immobilisers and employ a host of manufacturer's special tools.
There are plenty of quarter million mile Peugeot and Ford diesels with these old tech engines in that still run reliably. I've been in several Mondeo and 405 TD taxis with well over 300k on them and still running fine.
Cheers
DP
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By way of example I changed the starter motor on the 405. Total time taken 1hr 45 mins, which included the trip to the scrappy to remove the replacement. Total cost £20 -plus 16 miles to scrappy and back.
I've not done the job on any other car, so I can't compare, but it was very easy for a mechanical idiot to do, and very accessible. The engine is so common I could have taken the part from a 306, 405, some 406s, Xantia, ZX and others.
GSF do everything you need, from stock.
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What is it about old diesels? The buyers pay attention to what the knowledgable ones say on this forum. Until I was advised I assumed any 10 Yr old French car would be a pile of junk. I have seen the light, been converted and now own a 104,000 mile 1.9D Peugeot.306.
Happy with it? Delighted - I use it more that the A4. Shame about the central locking though - depending how it feels it either locks or it doesn't or it does both about twice second for half a minute or so. It's a lottery if it's locked or not.
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We had a ZX 1.9D a few years back. Was originally Mum's from new and we subsequently sold it to a friend who has cared for it well. I have asked her to give us first refusal if she ever wants to update her car, for the very reasons given above.
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i don't think that they are always that easy to repair. I had a 306xtdt and it had a couple of problems which the dealer was incapable of fixing over a period of 6 months so I sold it.
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>i don't think that they are always that easy to repair. I had a 306xtdt and it had a couple of problems which the dealer >was incapable of fixing over a period of 6 months so I sold it.
There in lies the problem, you went to the s******'s instead of a scrap yard. s******s tend to employ computer literate monkeys now rather than mechanics and if a computer doesnt tell them what part is broke they dont know whats wrong. Ive just got rid of my 306 after many years happy motoring, still got my 1989 pug 205 though and a trusty 1994 rover 620sdi. I refuse to pay the price to buy some new computer controlled overweight underpowered plastic car only to have to spend £60 an hour for some snot nosed youth to plug it in and tell me its got porr build quality and expensive bits need swapping at my own expense.
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why does the word s t e a l e r censor itself out? I didnt swear.
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TGO
About a couple of months ago, the question was asked whether all the unreliable technology on the late common-fails would depress their residuals.
It would appear that the effect, as so often, was unpredictably non-linear. Marginal motorists, scared off the new cars, are inflating the prices of the last of the simple, rugged diesels because they aren't going to be write-offs it anything goes wrong.
A 306, particularly the later N5's, don't look too dated; their sleek, classic, styling is certainly more appealing than the bloated, ugly, box that replaced them. Their MPG is better too.
Dynamically, they're not too bad either; so, coupled with a fairly rust-free shell, their low-tech engines are going to attract those that seek high MPG at low risk. [OK; the TD will need a new head or two.]
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How much is a diesel pump and assosciated fitting/timing on a 'normal' diesel then? Even they aren't cheap!
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A "new" pump will set you back £600 at least; but how often do you need one? [OK; Pajero's are a £2700 exception...]
Stay away from Irish fuel and keep the filter changed and most pumps will see 250,000, no problem. Well engineered old designs, tried and tested.
There's plenty of s/h ones in the scrappies for £90-ish; fitting them is within a competent DIYer's grasp. A few basic timing pins and it's in.
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A very tidy 1983 W123 300D estate went on Ebay a few days back for £1000 - I was tempted.
this one: tinyurl.com/32v8db
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This makes me think I sold our 12 year old Xantia 1.9 TD for too little (£500). I had only recently spent about that amount on it to have it serviced, new spheres and rear brake discs. It was a snip at that price, considering it also had two nearly new tyres and a new rad fitted only about a year before.
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I don't care how long the engine lasts -- anyone who pays £1500 for a ten year old Peugeot is mad.
The engines may run and run but the rest of the car is no better than any other ten year old Eurobox. Given that I could buy FOUR 10-year-old petrol Nissans for the same money, whose engines are equally inclined to run indefinitely and have better electrics (and are still simple enough to fix for buttons in the main), I just don't understand the logic here.
I can well accept that they're a good banger to own, but £1500? Come off it. Heck, a 4-year-old Hyundai Accent costs around that much, and that I know will have at least 4 or 5 good years ahead of it. Can you say the same of *any* 10 year old car?
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Was it in part exchange and did your mate pay £1000 over the odds for his new car?
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Phil
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So this years summer fashion is a 10 year old high mile diesel............ cool. I've only got 12 months to wait and I'll be fashionable for the first time in my life ;o)
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This makes me think I sold our 12 year old Xantia 1.9 TD for too little (£500).
This is why I like Citroens so much more than the "trendier" French makes -- same technology, same values, much lower price tag. Always placed Citroen quite high on my list of good banger buys -- the Peugeots, VWs and Hondas of this world are just too expensive, and the technology is not sufficiently better to justify the hiked outlay.
Has to be said that VWs are even worse -- I recently saw an N-plate VW Golf TDi, in admittedly decent enough condition on a dealer forecourt for £2200. The person who spends that needs their head reading. An equivalent Seat Toledo will go for £400 if it's lucky.
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306's fetch good money because they have attractive bodies, a decent reputation amongst young drivers, partly due to a couple of halo models like the GTi-6, and they make an ideal first car because they are only insurance group 4 or 5 for the 1.9TD which is reasonably brisk compared to a small engined petrol that many first car buyers go for.
Xantia's don't do so well because people don't want the hydraulics, £500 for a 12 year old one isn't bad.
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This makes me think I sold our 12 year old Xantia 1.9 TD for too little (£500). I had only recently spent about that amount on it to have it serviced, new spheres and rear brake discs. It was a snip at that price, considering it also had two nearly new tyres and a new rad fitted only about a year before.
I've had mixed reactions to my PX values on my DERVS
First was my 306xtdt bought 11.5k and PX'd for 8 with 2 years and 48k on the clock. Needed new tyres and body work damaged (prob 5-700 in all)
After that I had an e36 325tds that I PX'd at 5yrs and 88k miles for 6k. Not happy with that as I thought that it was a great car (and some scrot knocked 45k miles off a year later)
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