It's a 2 litre TDCi 53 Reg 59000 miles. Had it 3 months & 4000 trouble free miles but last week it started cutting out suddenly with glow plug lamp flashing. It restarts easily after waiting about 5 mins. Then repeat performance every 10/15 miles approx. Garage drove it about 15 miles with fault code reader plugged in but nothing showed up & it behaved itself. With me driving it continued to cut out as on the first day. Garage told me to lock/unlock it to reset the ecu but that doesn't work for me. Shall I trade it in & get a Jap job???!
Have just read horror stories in another thread about fuel pumps etc. Scary!!! Any advice on a low cost fix would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Lofty1931
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Is your car still within the Ford warranty or just out of it? Did you buy it from a Trader or in a private sale? If its less than three years old, then get it into a Ford dealer asap. If you bought it from a Trader then it comes with an implied warranty of at least three months, in which case get back on the phone to him. As for a private sale, then unfortunately it is your problem to get it sorted out.
As for what the problem may be, I couldn't really guess, but couldn't the garage that had a look at it offer any suggestions? I would have thought that there would be a fault code stored in the ecu without them having to take it on a 15 mile drive. Maybe you need to take it to a main dealer for a proper diagnosis.
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A flashing glow plug light happening while driving can apparently mean a faulty sensor.
My TDCi has had perhaps 10 cases of the glow plug light flashing over 111k miles, usually if I have not let the glow plug light go out when starting or if it is switched of then started again within a couple of seconds. Leaving it 20 - 30 secs sorts it. In one instance (about 75k miles) it went into "limp home mode", low power and constant flashing glow plug light, this happened while driving and it needed an injector recalibrating by a dealer. I have read that disconecting the battery for 30 mins + is worth trying, it erases the ECUs "learning" function's memory.
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Thanks cheddar. Mine hasn't gone into limp home mode as yet. After your injector "fix" at 75k did you still get the flashing light now & again up to 111k miles?
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Thanks cheddar. Mine hasn't gone into limp home mode as yet. After your injector "fix" at 75k did you still get the flashing light now & again up to 111k miles?
Yes, perhaps three or four times only since, when starting if the glow plug light has not gone out and also the other day once when I parked, switched off, immediately restared (within a few secs) to reposition the car and the glow plug light flashed, I turned it off left it 20 secs and all was fine. As I say I have had it only the once when driving.
Note Quinny's post about the TSB.
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Thanks Simon.I got it from a local garage with a 6 month warranty & only the ecu is covered so they say its a sensor & ecu's just don't pack up suddenly.Without any fault codes showing up,they are at a loss to diagnose anything.They had it for a day & a half & did not charge me for labour.I guess you are right about going to a Ford dealer;they will have have superior diagnostic equipment to the small garage, Regards Lofty1931.
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I'm sure that someone else who is a little more knowledgable on the matter will be along soon, but I am sure that the garage who sold you the car are responsible for getting it fixed for you. They can't just choose what is and what isn't included in the six month warranty, and until they actually diagnose exactly what the problem is then they can't just say that only the ecu is covered.
I think you need to be firm with them and tell them that it is up to them to fix it or you will be returning the car for a full refund, that may get them dealing with their responsibilities. Don't take my word for it, but I think you are in a strong position with regard to having your car rectified under their warranty, like I say someone with more knowledge on the legal in and outs will be able to advise you better.
I also reckon that Ford are going to be the best people to speak to about getting a proper diagnosis. They may know exactly what is wrong before they plug your car into the diagnostic machine. You could always get the car fixed by Ford and then present the bill to the selling garage, if the garage fail to sort it out for you.
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Oh and have you checked whether your car is over or under three years old. If it wasn't registered until late on the '53 plate, then there may be a little bit of manufacturers warranty left. Its worth checking the date of when it was first registered, but you need to do this sooner rather than later.
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Lofty
My neighbour's car, same model, similar age and mileage developed a very similar-sounding fault, it was the cam sensor cost around £140 all in to fix through Ford, don't have any more details sorry but it might be worth checking out.
Baz
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Cutting out with no fault code and no limp home is likely to be either fuel pressure sensor or the cam sensor.
TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN No.37/2003
Car and Light/Medium Commercial 31.03.2003
Section: 303-04E
Model: Mondeo 2001 (Engine: 2.0L DuraTorq-TDCi)
Markets: All
Subject: Engine cuts out
Summary
Should a customer express concern that the engine is cutting out, the probable cause is a failed connection of the fuel pressure sensor electrical connector. To rectify this concern, a modified fuel pressure sensor electrical connector should be installed
There is also a bulletin out for the cam sensor, but the faults given for that are Poor power; delayed accelerator response and/or rough idle, engine hard or impossible to start. Any Ford dealer who knows their stuff should be able to sort this problem out easily.
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Hi Simon,It's just over 3 yrs old but in any case a manufacturers warranty is not valid unless the vehicle is serviced/inspected etc by them at their stipulated intervals.
I am 3 months into my local garage warranty.The only electronics part covered is the ecu.They said they could not find any fault codes the other day. This afternoon I had a mobile technician come.He immediately found code P1664 injection pump control module malfunction but was unable to offer any immediate solution.I wonder what my garage will say tomorrow?
My Haynes manual says the control module is integral with the pump & cannot be removed so would that mean new pump/module unit--£1000+??? . Also control module has to be configured with the ecu & the engine immobiliser circuit which all requires specialist Ford equipment. The plot thickens!
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If I trade this car in for another make I shall lose at least £1500. Shall I do this or get Ford to fix it for maybe a similar sum? And then it might develop another unrelated fault later( as might any current make) Regards lofty1931-- speaking from the middle of a minefield!!!
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The Ford warranty(don't know about others) does not require your car to be serviced at a Ford dealer for the warranty to be valid.What it does say is that servicing must be carried out inline with Ford requirements.
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There seems to lot of panicing when it may only be a bad connection or something very simple a good coat of looking is required first of all.
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Thanks for the replies .Back to the garage today to see if they could reproduce the P1664 fault code but it wouldn't show up on two different code readers.They have a contact who has got Bosch diagnostic equipment which they reckon is better than Fords so they will try that if it still plays up.I have covered 20 miles today without trouble.A minor miracle! I am steering clear of dual carriageways & motorways for the time being.
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Is there any reason you have chosen to ignore what I posted above - a fault which is acknowledged in Ford's own technical information with the same symptoms as you are experiencing and would cost a few pounds and half an hour to fix?
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Quinny 100,I do apologise for not reading your message properly.I tend to speed read & when my eye lit on Mondeo 2001 I skipped the rest,so I missed out on the vital info.I really am stupid.Thanks for drawing my attention to it again.Much appreciated.
I forgot to mention that a new fuel filter cartridge was fitted today in case the pressure drop accross the filter was out of spec. Since then there has been no more cutting out (40 miles) I will certainly check the fuel pressure sensor connection & have it updated if need be,Many thanks once again & best wishes
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Main dealer found camshaft position sensor faulty but not until they drove it & it obliged them by cutting out. I thought fault codes(this was P0304) were supposed to be stored.
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Thank goodness for petrol models- sorry for you woes though
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A fault code will only usually be stored where a sensor is providing values outside of its normal range. In the case of the cam sensor I believe the problem is that as they fail they momentarily drop out and provide no signal to the ECU at all. As the injection system must have input from the cam sensor to time the injections, if it loses that all it can do is stop injecting and so the engine cuts out.
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