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Fuel Worry # 2 - THe Growler
I was day-dreaming at the gas station today and the pump attendant filled me (or rather my truck) up with leaded instead of unleaded. Engine seems fine so far. Should I worry?
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - pete
If the truck runs on either no, but if it has a Cat i think it may kill it , but not certain
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - Dan J
Lead reacts with the catalyst and renders it inoperative though I am not sure how much would be required to destroy it completely. This is the only possible side effect of using leaded in a modern vehicle and should the need arise cats aren't horrifically dear anyway.

They do absorb some levels of lead without issue as it is - Unlike several other countries, including I believe the US, we use "unleaded" petrol - The US uses lead free which has the naturally occurring levels of lead removed and these don't seem to do our cats too much harm.

Wouldn't worry yourself about it Growler! I take it he didn't offer you the tank of gas free by way of an apology?

Dan
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - mike harvey

If it was critical, ie a CAT fitted, the leaded nozzle would not fit in the filler neck as the hole is too small. Bacon saved!
Regards
Mike
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - markymarkn
Not-really-knowing-what-I'm-talking-about-edly, wouldn't leaded petrol be bad for any seals in the engine?
I'm sure I've heard this somewhere before but I can't imagine one tankfull doing all that much damage, but surely if some damage was done to your car then the petrol station should foot the bill?

Doesn't leaded fuel make most cars perform better?


M
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - Steve G
The Lead itself does not improve performance thats down to the Octane ratings.
Somebody at work last week put £40 worth of unleaded into a brand new diesel Astra. I was surprised the nozzle went into the filler neck.
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - John S
Steve

Unleaded nozzles are smaller than leaded or diesel - so it's quite possible.

As for damage from leaded - bad news for a cat, and I believe one tankful can do a lot of damage, but if the nozzle fitted then there's a chance Growler's motor isn't cat equipped. Depends on local regulations in the Phillipines.

Yes, lead (as tetra ethyl lead) improved octane ratings, so allowing higher compression, improved efficiency etc. Good few down sides though. Did you think that the deposits you got in engines were carbon? Actually they resulted from the leaded petrol. That's one reason why decoking and valve grinding have virtually disappeared from the motoring horizon.

Regards

John
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - THe Growler
Yes it's a US-made full Ford import as churned out from Kansas City with no concessions to the local environment, so it has a cat, plus now 120 liters of leaded! The nozzles here all seem the same size (just that they're colored yellow - leaded, silver - unleaded and paradoxically green for diesel, the guy had no trouble getting the nozzle in the tank filler. The leaded is 85 octane and the unleaded 93 octane (Caltex). But there aren't any emission regs here regarding cats and stuff so maybe it doesn't matter. Thank you everyone. I hope I don't turn out to be the text book example in the database next time someone else has the same problem. The cat underneath looks awfully big....
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - Tomo
It seems to my memory that decoking was a dead letter long before unleaded. There were lead deposits, very good for valve seats, hence grief when leaded disappeared.
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - James
But lead isn't lead any more is it? It may be in Growler-land of course, but I think it's disallowed here. UK 4-star has benzene and other additives that are more noxious than lead, but there you go. Funnily enough, our vehicles go about the same distance on the same monetary amount of either...
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - Kevin
Growler,
leaded gas will cause the catalyst to breakdown and crumble quite quickly, resulting in a blocked cat. I'd empty it out and refill with unleaded if I were you.

Kevin...
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - John S
Kevin

Are you sure?

I believe the problem is that the lead 'poisons' the platinum or platinum/ rhodium coating on the ceramic catalyst matrix. This prevents it promoting the various reactions in the exhaust gases.

I'd be surprised if it adversly affected the structural integrity of the ceramic matrix.

Regards

John
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - John S
PS

Certainly draining and refilling is the best hope of minimising the damage and preserving the catalyst function!
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - Kevin

John,

I have no personal experience (never made that mistake yet), but..
At a Custom & Classic Car show in Dallas a couple of years ago there was a stand occupied by a company that manufactured custom exhausts. Part of their display was a collection of old cats that had been abused in different ways. The interior matrix of one that had been used with leaded petrol had almost completely collapsed into a lumpy powder.

Kevin...
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - THe Growler
Yes I called Ford Philippines today and my lovely customer service rep Irene and they/she said (nice of them) they'd drain it for me for free (I bought 2 brand new vehicles off them in the last 6 months) but I'd have to pay for the unleaded replacement. At this point I'm thankful to be where I am where that costs just the equiv of 26p/liter.....

Doubtless the boys in the Ford workshop will be running their 2 stroke m/c's for free for a week or two, but fair enough.
Re: Fuel Worry # 2 - ian (cape town)
Oil's well that ends well, Growler!