No MOTs in the USA..amazing - uk2usa
One of the things that struck me as surprising when I arrived here was that they have no scheduled system for vehicle testing, like the UK MOT. All they do is an emission test (every 2 years in most states, and includes NO mechanical inspection). The US has to be the first Industrialized nation I have been to where this is the case.

I know that in the UK, the MOT keeps many potentially deadly cars off the road. It is concerning that over here there is nothing to prevent these kind of cars from being driven. I dont buy the argument that people drive newer/better maintained cars here, or that the concern about getting sued compels people to maintain their cars properly. If you take a drive to the wrong side of town, you would agree that this is definitely not the case. It is a wonder that the road deaths are not an order of magnitude higher than they are. Lucky the roads are mostly wide and straight, I guess.

No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Baskerville
Does it not vary state by state? I vaguely remember from my time in California that there is a basic safety test when you buy your annual(?) registration ticket. Vague memory though.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - expat
We don't have MOTs in Western Australia. Some other Australia states do but we don't. This has not resulted in mass carnage from unroadworthy vehicles. If you have an unroadworthy vehicle you risk getting stopped by the police who put a Yellow Sticker on the windscreen. You are not allowed to remove the sticker and the vehicle has to be taken to a police testing station. They go over it very thoroughly and then take the sticker off if it passes. Yellow stickers can be very expensive and are dreaded.

The main cause of accidents is not unroadworthy vehicles. It is unroadworthy drivers. You could make a good case for testing drivers every year.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Number_Cruncher
>>The main cause of accidents is not unroadworthy vehicles. It is unroadworthy drivers. You could make a good case for testing drivers every year.

Hear hear!!

We have a silly situation in the UK now. For the first time in my memory, cars which are structurally OK, and mechanically not bad, are being scrapped because of the political MOT test aspects, i.e., the emissions. I find it outrageous that a servicable car gets scrapped, and a new one gets built with all of the resulting enrgy usage and pollution just for this reason.

We do this, and yet the danger behind the wheel can drive between the ages of 17 and 70 without any check at all on his vision or physical capability.

Number_Cruncher
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - DP
>>I find it outrageous
that a servicable car gets scrapped, and a new one gets
built with all of the resulting enrgy usage and pollution just
for this reason.


I could not agree more.

On the subject of unroadworthy drivers, my optometrist told me a terrifying story during my recent eye test. A woman in her 40's visited for an eye test because she'd been thinking she might need glasses for a couple of years. When she was tested, her vision was -4 and -4.5. Despite this, she'd been merrily driving 40,000 miles a year in her capacity as a company sales manager and laughing at colleague's refusals to get in a car with her, and the fact that she "kept nearly having accidents".

Terrifying!

DP
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Waino
When we were over in Tasmania earlier in the year, I was told that they didn't have MoTs there because (politically) it was seen as an unfair imposition on the poorer elements of society.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - CJay{P}
IMHO, it is the MOTs that make the UK one of the fastest car depreciating countries in the world.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - local yokel
Look at the Japanese system for reference - 3, 5, 7 & 9 year "Shaken" system that forces cars off the road at 5 or 7 years of age due to the cost of renewal.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - uk2usa
We don't have MOTs in Western Australia. Some other Australia
states do but we don't. This has not resulted in
mass carnage from unroadworthy vehicles. If you have an
unroadworthy vehicle you risk getting stopped by the police who put
a Yellow Sticker on the windscreen.


How do the police "know" the vehicle may be unroadworthy, prior to stopping you? I suspect that unless a light is out or the car is belching black smoke, one would never get stopped. On the other hand, if they insititued a program of "random" spot checks, then people would cry out over civil liberties infringement and unfair targeting of specific socioeconomic groups. Atleast that is what would happen here....
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - expat
"How do the police "know" the vehicle may be unroadworthy, prior to stopping you?"
They stop cars for quite a variety of reasons - random breath tests, licence checks, erratic driving, vehicle is similar to one wanted in a crime description, etc, etc. When the car is stopped they give it the once over. I drive a fairly modern vehicle and am nearly 60 so I seldom get stopped. Young guys in old cars get stopped considerably more often. Funnily enough they often find bald tires etc on those cars. Despite you guys having the MOT I have noticed plenty of decrepit looking bangers when I visited the UK. The MOT doesn't seem to have weeded them all out.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Group B
Does it not vary state by state?


It must be a state by state thing, I just found this for New York: www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c-50.htm

But when over there I have seen vehicles driving around with accident damage. I once saw a Chevy van with serious front wing damage, probably not mechanical damage but may have failed a UK MoT for the damage. The original headlight was missing so an aftermarket spotlight had been bolted in its place. Can't remember where it was, might have been Nevada, just done a quick google and couldnt find a similar document for there.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Number_Cruncher
>>but may have failed a UK MoT for the damage

The main possibility would be if the damaged wing presented any sharp edges to pedestrians - otherwise, wings don't really feature in the MOT requirements.

Number_Cruncher
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - uk2usa
>> Does it not vary state by state?
It must be a state by state thing, I just found
this for New York: www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/c-50.htm



So I guess that the more "enlightened" states, shall we say, have an inspection. I know that NY, and a few other east coast states follow CA emission norms, which go beyond the Federal ones that the other states follow. So perhaps they all have an inspection. However, I know from experience that Arizona and Oregon do not, and i suspect the same is true for most of the flyover states in the middle. In fact, if one lives outside of the urban areas in AZ and OR, even an emission test is not required.

>>This surprised me as I thouight the used car market in the US was even cheaper than here.

Most definitely not. Cars, although initially are much more expensive in the UK, depreciate WAY faster than here. I am sure the MOT (although totally necessary) promotes depreciation, as does UK attitudes towards high mileage, and the fact that the age of the car is prominently displayed for all to see on the registration number.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Victorbox
While watching the US version of Pimp My Ride I was amazed at the state of some of the cars they "saved". Most would only be fit for the scrapyard here. Even basic things like headlights / tail lights were missing. This surprised me as I thouight the used car market in the US was even cheaper than here.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Aprilia
The MoT is an excellent lifesaver - my father used to be an MoT tester years back, and even with the more basic test of those days I remember him stopping some death traps getting back out on to the road.

There is nothing at all 'political' about the MoT. In 2006 so far , roughly a quarter of failed cars failed on inadequate brakes, a quarter have defective lighting and 10% have illegal tyres. These are very basic safety issues.

About 9% of cars failed on emissions and fuel systems defects (leaks, missing filler caps etc). A car which fails on emissions is running with poor performance and economy and producing more pollution. Most emissions fails are pretty basic - usually its down to a defective coolant sensor or lambda sensor - sometimes the cat. None of these should result in the car being scrapped. Major fuel systems faults (ingition failure, MAF sensor failure) would make the car difficult to drive as well as high on emissions - so if not economic to repair it would be scrapped anyway, MoT requirements or not.

The MoT saves lives - I have no doubt. Most drivers simply cannot be trusted to ensure that their car is roadworthy year in, year out. Most do not have the necessary knowledge to detect faults and most drivers 'get used' to the slow deterioration in handling, braking etc etc as defects slowly build up.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Lud
Quite right and very succinct Aprilia.

Most drivers are ignorant. Some of those who are not ignorant are lazy, slobbish or irresponsible (no names, you can just guess).

QED.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Number_Cruncher
- my father used to be an MoT tester years back.

We have that in common Aprilia.

I think that the basic MOT, which we both remember our fathers carrying out removed most of the real death traps from the roads, without being especially burdensome to the motorist. Each new test aspect that is added to the MOT is really just a case of diminishing returns. They tend to make the test more expensive, and require the testing stations to buy more equipment.

I remember when brake rollers became mandatory - we had to build an extension on one end of our testing lane, to allow room for the rollers to be installed behind the ramp. Although, I will agree that brake rollers do enable you to spot poor brakes, and that was a worthwhile addition to the test.

I think that most of the death traps would be removed just as well by a much reduced "basic" test - like the crime scene thread, I suspect that via a kind of "mission creep", the MOT will continue to augmented by new rules until it becomes so expensive, time consuming, and difficult to pass that we end up in a similar state to Japan.

I think that there is plenty about the MOT that is political. Our emissions regs aren't exactly free from political influence, and I don't think they offer us a huge step forward from the old visible smoke requirements.

However, overall, I don't think it is a bad test. I don't think enough is done to remind people that the safety of a vehicle is always the drivers responsibility, and that an MOT does not mean a car is necessarily safe.


I know what you mean about people getting used to unsafe cars - many is the time I have driven cars in for my father to test or later for me to work on, when I haven't felt safe even at car park speeds!

Number_Cruncher
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Craig_1969
Cost of mot about £40. FIne for mot £60. Why bother, plenty of chavs dont.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - LeighB
Many of our "youf" drive untaxed, untested, uninsured cars, possibly without a licence as well.
If they get caught and banned they carry on driving regardless. (Don't pay the fine either!)
MOT or no MOT will make no difference, they just don't care.
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - Group B
Many of our "youf" drive untaxed, untested, uninsured cars, possibly without
a licence as well.


I saw a programme a few weeks ago where police were going round spotting untaxed cars with ANPR, and taking them away to be crushed. Think it was a pilot scheme in Bristol or somewhere. They got one late 20's woman, took her Peugot 205 off her but rather than being embarrassed at being caught, she was mouthey and indignant, saying, "well how am I supposed to afford all that stuff" (meaning tax, insurance, MoT).
They also got a young bloke who's chav-mobile wasn't taxed and he gave some daft excuses. When he realised they were going to take it away, he went round slashing his own tyres, so they also did him for criminal damage!
No MOTs in the USA..amazing - LeighB
They also got a young bloke who's chav-mobile wasn't taxed and
he gave some daft excuses. When he realised they were
going to take it away, he went round slashing his own
tyres, so they also did him for criminal damage!

Can you do criminal damage to your own property??
Maybe it wasn't actually his though.