>khizman
If you love bling, I agree. A 300c is your car..
:-)
madf
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>>I take that to mean you are highly complimentary of this fine automobile.<<
It also looks like you need a purple velour leisuresuit with Megane size tusch to drive one...and white trainers. Other than that, tickety boo.
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So you are then ! niiiiiiice.
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Have a test drive in the 300C diesel version then give us a more informed and logical response.
Honest John and other quality motoring journalists who all give it high praise in their test drive reports surely havn't got it wrong?
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Cars are fashion items. Lardy Yank is not my style.
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>Cars are fashion items. Lardy Yank is not my style.
That makes it a bad car?
Ever driven one?
What is *your* style?
Kevin...
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No, but it does make it an ugly car.
We like different cars, so what?
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The 300C really is a nice car but dont get a silver one,UUGGHHH! have seen a few recently in black very very nice but in silver, well it looks like a different car and not a very nice one at that. colour can be so very important...cheers...Keo
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So back to my original posts.
have you considered a Chrysler 300C.
They are a very large comfortable saloon car that is very highly specced as standard & in very very disctinctive (most people like the looks, a few don't)
With a list price of £25750 for the diesel, you could have a brand new car with a 3 year warranty with money left in the bank. It's got a 3 lt Merc V6 diesel which is as smooth as silk.
Test drive highly recommeendd
MTC
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Skoda Superb?
--
Dr Alex Mears
MG BGT 1971
If you are in a hole stop digging...unless
you are a miner.
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Skoda Superb? -- Dr Alex Mears
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One HELL of a lot of money for your car.
MTC
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One HELL of a lot of money for your car. MTC
whoops car for your money !!
MTC
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MTC,
It seems your views have been slightly blinkered by your Yank Tank! There are other cars out there which are equally as good.
I was under the impression that the 300C is pitched to compete against the likes of E-Class and 5 Series, not 7 Series, A8 etc (as the price would reflect).
I have no doubt that it is an amazing car for the money, and i love the looks of it, but its all a bit footballer ish don't you think (Rio Fedrinand has one for a start). For an understated large saloon, for value surely a Phaeton cannot be beaten? I would personall have an A8 or a Phaeton.
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I seem to recall that although the team on Top Gear thought the 300C was good value for money, they didn't rate it as there was too many American nanny state safety items built in that couldn't be disabled / overridden. eg, Traction control.
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I seem to recall that although the team on Top Gear thought the 300C was good value for money, they didn't rate it as there was too many American nanny state safety items built in that couldn't be disabled / overridden. eg, Traction control.
Hi DD
I remember the road test well - it was on the beach in Wales and it was great TV ! As I remember, they didn't like the suspension/handling - their car was US Spec, the cars we have over here have been tweaked for European roads - and they thought it was to soft. They grumbled about the brakes - no complaints from me so far, although I don't go beach racing in mine.
They thought that the interior wasn't to good - it is nowhere even close to an XJ, but then again it's nowhere near the price.
& they didn't like being unable to totally disenage traction control - not important to me, have you seen the size of the tyres ? anything that stops we wearing them so quickly has to be a good thing (for my wallet !).
ANNNNNNNDDD they road tested the monster HEMI, which I wouldn't like to keep going in petrol !!
MTC
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Hi DD I remember the road test well - it was on the beach in Wales and it was great TV !
Sooner have the Monaro, to be honest.
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>> Hi DD >> >> I remember the road test well - it was on the beach in Wales and it was great TV ! Sooner have the Monaro, to be honest.
Hi DD
I think that it was one of my favourite Top Gear tests of all time (regardless of my car being on it)
I've tried and tried to find the clip online so that I could share it with others, but the only place I can find is one that needs some fancy software to get it to run.
I can remember that Jermy Clarkson referred to the 300C HEMI as being the company car of choice for the Sopranos.
I'm sure that the Monaro is a GREAT car, but not as practical for a family man (& no diesel option either)
MTC
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What software do you need Murph?
Email me if you like and I can help you out.
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What software do you need Murph? Email me if you like and I can help you out.
Thanks Adam, that may be a big help. In the ideal world I was after sending someone a link and saying have a watch of this it's great !!
The site hosting the clip is www.finalgear.com and it says that you will be directed to a site which will do the clip in "torrent" format which will require a "bittorrent" client to download it.
At this stage I thought, oh, bit more difficult than I hoped it would be !
Is that a good enough description of my query ?
Cheers
Murphy The Cat
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Hi Murphy,
Yeah it does make things a little difficult but it looks like the site's been taken down anyway. When was the last time you accessed it?
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Hi Adam
I last accessed finalgear about a month ago, but mininova.com who are hosting the actual file are still up and running.
The acual file is located at www.mininova.org/tor/28993 I THINK.
Does that help you at all.
MTC
p.s. and thank you for helping a complete stranger who was trying to help a complete stranger in America
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MTC, It seems your views have been slightly blinkered by your Yank Tank! There are other cars out there which are equally as good. I was under the impression that the 300C is pitched to compete against the likes of E-Class and 5 Series, not 7 Series, A8 etc (as the price would reflect). I have no doubt that it is an amazing car for the money, and i love the looks of it, but its all a bit footballer ish don't you think (Rio Fedrinand has one for a start). For an understated large saloon, for value surely a Phaeton cannot be beaten? I would personall have an A8 or a Phaeton.
ahhrrgghh I did a long post & I lost it !
OK NickS, the abbreviated version. I've never owned a Phaeton or an A8 so I can't say how they compare, but given that they are £12000 to £18000 over Khizmans budget you are now really broadening the search.
I have been really careful not to 'knock' other cars so much as 'build up' my own.
As to where the car is being pitched, i'm a bit confused to. It's over £4000 cheaper than a similar specced 320d SE, £11000 cheaper than a 530 Dse (of the same spec) which it is larger than, and has the same (or more in the back) internal space as a 7 Series.
The footballer question is a bit odd(ish). Plenty of footballers drive Range Rovers, Jaguars, Mercs, BMW, Aston Martin, Ferraris etc, but this doesn't make them any lesser a car. I think that Mr F's car was a loaner that has now gone back (but I might be wrong).
I'm not going to do anything daft like saying that the car is the best in the world/ top uk saloon car/ unbeatable - but I do think that it is probably the best performing LARGE diesel car that you can buy in the UK today for under £26000.
MTC
p.s. A BMW salesman took my car for a run out last night - if I get the chance later on i'll tell you what he thought of it.
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>Murphy The Catp.s. A BMW salesman took my car for a run out last night - if I get the chance later on i'll tell you what he thought of it.
Hi MTC
you really seem to like your 300C - now what did Mr BMW tell you ?
Ok here's the potted version, straight from the mouth of Mr BMW Salesman.
"if the biggest requirement of customers that came to see me was value for money, then I'd never sell another car again compared to this. But most of the people that I deal with aren't value for money isn't a major priority, they're prime interest is how much BMW can I get for my money/monthly leasing allowance"
Which I thought was quite apt.
MTC
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"Honest John and other quality motoring journalists who all give it high praise in their test drive reports surely havn't got it wrong?"
Geordie I honestly wish you well with your new car and I?m sure that it won?t disappoint but your remarks above seem a daft way to respond to someone who doesn't like the styling. More importantly road testers, like the rest of us, have different tastes, priorities and knowledge, so to rely on their often contradictory reviews and a simple test drive would seem to be a high risk strategy for choosing a car. If you place so much stock in these reports what do you say about the many reviews which while praising the styling, the engine, the pricing and the equipment levels, go on to express concerns over the cheap quality of the interior, the ride quality, the handling, the dubious residuals, Chrysler's targeted market sector and indeed pointing out that the styling is divisive. The engine figures are very impressive and whilst on first glance I have some real worries about the quality of the interior and can understand why some folk are turned off by the image, I personally love the exterior styling. I think challenging styling in a car is better than something bland and uncontroversial. To that end I?m test driving one at the weekend and only then will I be able to make a valid comment on the engine, the ride and the interior quality.
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To that end I?m test driving oneat the weekend and only then will I be able to make a valid comment on the engine, the ride and the interior quality.
Martin
I hope that you enjoy your test drive. There is a 300C tread running on HJ, perhaps after the weekend you could put your thoughts on there as well.
MTC
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Well 'Martin Sweeney'...
Can I first of all indicate to you that I do not welcome my innocent comments being described in the category of 'daft' particularly when that uncomplimentary remark is totally unwarranted and from someone with whom I am not personally acquainted.
I am afraid that you are quoting me entirely out of context in that my comments applicable to test drive reports by motoring journalists was generalistic and not a direct response to any particular contributor on this thread relative to implied criticism on any aspect of the Chrysler 300C.
I can therefore assure you that I am not 'daft'.
With regard to my comments about motoring journalists, I was merely making the point that with regard to their test drive reports of the 300C CRD, I have not read any report that, overall, does not present the car as anything other than a remarkable car for modest financial outlay.
I certainly do not advocate, as you imply, total reliance on such reports when contemplating purchase. Now that would be 'daft'.
For your information this 'daft' person undertook considerable research into the 300C prior to purchase, including subscribing to a renowned 300C owners website forum where I gained an in-depth knowledge of the car before I even saw it in the metal.(continued)
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Well 'Martin Sweeney' (continued)...
I am in total agreement with your comment that some journalists have been critical of the 300C interior; ride quality; handling and dubious residuals but in most cases there were perhaps unfair comparisons with German marques costing many thousands of pounds more.
Such comments would of course be part of the prospective purchaser equation when undertaking the 'simple test drive' as you put it.
My 'simple test drive' consisted of a drive in excess of 2 hours covering some very challenging terrain and was perhaps as vigorous as that undertaken by a motoring journalist.
I am not 'daft' enough to hand over in excess of £25K without being totally satisfied that the interior; quality of ride and handling etc were totally in accord with my requirements. I can happily report that I have absolutely no problems with any of those aspects.
With regard to residuals, that is the least of any concerns that I would have, primarily because of the limited numbers that are available. In any event I am one of those 'daft' types who keep the same car year after year in order to gain maximum value from it. Indeed, I actually ran a 'dog' of a Morris Marina from new for over 17 years! (continued)
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Well 'Martin Sweeney' (continued)...
I would like to now conclude by referring to the last part of your original input viz (QUOTE) 'I'm test driving one at the weekend and only then will I be able to make a valid comment on the engine, the ride and the interior quality.'
Forgive me, but errmm isn't that very practical act the only reliable method by which you are able to assess the car or were you just being 'daft'
Enjoy your 'simple test drive' and don't do anything 'daft'.
Regards
Geordie
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Whilst I enjoyed your entertaining posts Geordie, if you?d actually read my post, you'll see that I didn?t call YOU daft, merely your response. The context and meaning for your statement was obvious, unambiguous and clearly addressed to Nsar, inferring that his opinion was most unlikely to be valid because quality motoring journalists had heaped high praise upon the car and that surely they couldn?t be wrong. Well firstly, you neglected to mention that the amongst the journalistic praise there had been a fair bit of criticism, indeed sentiments mirroring those of Nsar and secondly even if the praise had been uniformly high, why on earth would this have any bearing on Nsar?s or anybody?s opinion of the car? The answer is they didn?t, it wouldn?t and I?m afraid that?s why your response was indeed daft.
My comment about high-risk strategies wasn?t directed at you. I had no idea what research or testing you had carried out before purchasing but now I do. Re. my test drive, if I?m happy with the car, then I?ll read up on it some more, scour the sites here and in the US to see what problems if any have surfaced and then I will return to have at least 2 more drives of at least 1 day in duration. I will also test the competition to death and even after I have decided, I?ll be keeping the rose-tinted specs in the glovebox. So no, not remotely daft.
?I am in total agreement with your comment that some journalists have been critical of the 300C interior; ride quality; handling and dubious residuals but in most cases there were perhaps unfair comparisons with German marques costing many thousands of pounds more.?
You can?t have it both ways Geordie. Earlier in this thread you remarked that compared to a Phaeton, A8 or 7 series it was a ?no contest? in favour of the 300c , which raised a few eyebrows. Chrysler, rightly or wrongly, have targeted the 300C at the E-class, A6 and 5 series and as such it some, but certainly not all, of the reviews will make the comparison, though not necessarily unfairly as the interior build quality, ride and handling is fairly uniform across each range. Some reviews agree with you that the 300C shouldn?t be compared to these aforementioned cars but rather the Peugeot 607, Vel Satis, Camrys of this world. I don?t have an opinion on this as yet but I?ll have some idea after the weekend.
Cheers Murph, I?m quite looking forward to the drive after your positive comments. I drove an e-class last year with, I think, the same engine and it was very refined and powerful so it?ll be interesting to compare the two.
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Cheers Murph, I?m quite looking forward to the drive after your positive comments. I drove an e-class last year with, I think, the same engine and it was very refined and powerful so it?ll be interesting to compare the two.
Hi Martin
In the interests of fairness, the V6 Diesel only became available in the E Class towards the back end of 2005 & I think that it comes in 2 levels of tune 190 bhp (less than the 300C) & 224 bhp (more than the 300C. Either way, it'll be nice to do a comparison !!
I keep logging ono this thread and it's a shame that it appears to be getting a touch heated.
I can't speak for Geordie, so I can only give my own thoughts.
I think that I have possibly been blind sided by the outstanding value for money that this car hs given me. I've managed to buy one of the largest cars on the road, with an absolutley belting engine, very distintive styling (IMHO fantastic, but a few people disagree), absolute comfort, high spec and a performance / econmoy combination that I never thought that i would ever experience. And all for less than £26000 - it is a tremendous package.
It's not perfect (what car is), but the imperfections are so minor (to me) to not even count.
For a car of similar PERFORMANCE & SIZE & SPEC from Audi, BMW, Merceds, Jaguar or VW, you are talking an extra £12000 - £20000.
And that for me is the clincher.
To keep it brief, I couldn't afford any of the above cars, but a 300C does a very similar job (or better) than all of the above, but leaves me £12000 - £20000 better off, for that sort of saving I can live with tortoise shell effect door handles (which I actually like) and a dashboard that is a touch plain and carry on enjoying my motoring again for the first time in a lot of years.
I think that it is a "good show" that the 300C is even being mentioned in the same breath as these long established luxury cars. Don't forget that the other makers have had a lineage to attract owners up a class and up a class to the top model. Chrysler have had to kick in the front door and say "look at me, aren't I pretty, and you can take me home for £25750".
Perhaps instead of comparing cars by size, space & luxury, we chould be comparing then on price paid and seeing just what £25750 actually buys you. If we do do that comparison, I think that the 300C will come out very, very highly indeed (even if the door handles aren't as nice as a Range Rovers !).
Enjoy your test drive Martin at the weekend, and i hope that the dealer has a diesel - apparently the 3.5lt V6 isn't to impressive.
MTC
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I've read this thread with much interest, because I DO drive a Phaeton, which I've had for nine months now. It's the 3.2 V6 petrol, so presumably disqualified from consideration, but you may be interested to know that (IMO) it is beautifully engineered, quiet and very comfortable - the adjustable suspension is a boon on our third-world roads here in Suffolk. It's big car, and its size took some getting used to after a succession of Passats, and I'm only getting 25-26 mpg - £70+ to fill up the tank also takes some getting used to! I shall keep it another 15 months and then, I'm sure, be horrified at how little it's worth, but it will have been an enjoyable two years' motoring.
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I've read this thread with much interest, because I DO drive a Phaeton, which I've had for nine months now. It's the 3.2 V6 petrol, so presumably disqualified from consideration, but you may be interested to know that (IMO) it is beautifully engineered, quiet and very comfortable - the adjustable suspension is a boon on our third-world roads here in Suffolk. It's big car, and its size took some getting used to after a succession of Passats, and I'm only getting 25-26 mpg - £70+ to fill up the tank also takes some getting used to! I shall keep it another 15 months and then, I'm sure, be horrified at how little it's worth, but it will have been an enjoyable two years' motoring.
Hi topaktas
& no matter what it has cost you, you've enjoyed your motoring - and there's a lot to be said for that.
In 15 months time, which way will your moroting take you ?
will you stick with petrol, or will you take the diesel route?
MTC
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MTC
By then my driving will be much reduced, so I may not even replace the Phaeton, and just stick with my other car (a Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit)...
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MTC By then my driving will be much reduced, so I may not even replace the Phaeton, and just stick with my other car (a Rolls-Royce Silver Spirit)...
and people say to ME that my 300C must be difficult to get into a supermarket car park space.
a Silver Spirit hmmmmm, if it was available with a diesel engine, it would be another option for khizman.
MTC
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'Martin Sweeney'...
You made a comment that my observation was 'daft' therefore the implication is obvious and your choice of word was perhaps ill advised for use in public discussion on such an innocuous subject.
You did indeed take my comments about motoring journalists out of context. 'Nsar' made light comment about the car and the type of person who would drive it and I merely responded that he should take a test drive etc and that motoring journalists were in high praise of it etc.
I have never compared the 300C with the A8 etc as you suggest. I did post to 'Khizman' that he should read the 205 posts in the 'Chrysler 300C' thread before finalising his choice of car as there was 'no contest' when compared with other cars of similar price etc.
I am not in the habit of seeking conflict with anyone at anytime, particularly on a public website with someone who I do not know, but I do strongly object to my observations being publically described as 'daft' by someone who has misinterpreted them.
The End...PLEASE!
Geordie
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The End...PLEASE!
I certainly hope so.
DD.
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Murp
You could well be right about the different V as I drove a 270cdi which I think has been superceded, but was still a great engine. It is a 300CRD that I'm getting though they called to say that the Saturday test was tight due to staffing so they've offered me a proper run this afternoon, which I'm going for.
Geordie. Sure, whatever you need to tell yourself. End of.
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Murp You could well be right about the different V as I drove a 270cdi which I think has been superceded, but was still a great engine. It is a 300CRD that I'm getting though they called to say that the Saturday test was tight due to staffing so they've offered me a proper run this afternoon, which I'm going for. Geordie. Sure, whatever you need to tell yourself. End of.
Hi Martin
i don't know if you are a serious music buff, but if you are, when you are road testing the CRD take a favourite CD with you.
The standard Boston Acoustics aound system (which I have) is a really nice piece of work and has great sound reproduction -------but a lot of the UK dealers have specced their cars with an upgraded version (for £250) which adds a wooffie in the boot and takes the stereo pwer up from 280 watts to 380 watts. For me I'm not a big music man (plus I have a 2 year old), but for yourself (if you're into your music) it may be worth checking out.
The option (& theres only about 5 on the 300C) is referred to as & speaker Boston Acoustics woofer. I'll be honest and say that I've never experienced it, but others that have say that it is very impressive.
MTC
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The standard Boston Acoustics aound system (which I have) is a really nice piece of work....
I have got Boston Acoustics PC speakers and they are great.
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Murp You could well be right about the different V as I drove a 270cdi which I think has been superceded, but was still a great engine. It is a 300CRD that I'm getting though they called to say that the Saturday test was tight due to staffing so they've offered me a proper run this afternoon, which I'm going for.
Hi Martin
please excuse me for being nosey - but how did your test drive go ?
MTC
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