A large empty car park for her to go round and round and figures of eight in reverse. Then feed in backing into maked out area, loose at first then tighten up.
She may get the feel for it if done long enough.
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This requires a new mind map. Go to a quite empty car park like an industial estate on a Sunday and let her practice reversing slowly but not riding the clutch round and round in a large circle 20m let her look backwards over her shoulder, left shoulder for clockwise circles, right shoulder for anti CW. Only go round 4 or 5 times at a time, rest and discuss. Start again with a smaller circle 3 or 4 times. Now go round the other way 2 or 3 times, Rest, now drive forward and ask her to reverse into a specific parking space, i.e. infront of the main doors, or space no 3 what ever. You will be surprised how the brain has adapted to the inverse operation. Repeat every weekend, different location, different diameter circles. Almost guarenteed fix. Go out onto normal roads on the way home and reverse up a side road as per test and into a parking space. Let up know how you get on. Regards Peter
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Quite a lot of people have troble learning to reverse - I suspect it's because it's not really an inverse action - you still steer right to go right, which probably confuses the brain! When my sister was struggling with the same thing, we built a model car out of lego, so that the manouevers could be demonstrated in the (real) car and she could see the link between the steering wheel, the car's wheels, and the direction it was going to go - got her sorted fairly quickly. I agree though that a lot of practice is the way to go.
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Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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She could have a sex change, that might help.
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She could have a sex change, that might help.
Sex changes normally happen Three years after marriage!
Cheers for now...MD
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>>This requires a new mind map. Go to a quite empty car park like
Thanks, this is the sort of method I'm looking for. As another poster has suggested, she is actually quite confused about right and left steering input when reversing.
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Not a suggested solution - but could you legitimately use a car with a rear camera (Primera etc) to perform a reversing manoeuvre on a driving test and pass? Or would you fail for "lack of observation" or somesuch?
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Funnily enough, Im a girl and Im excellent at reversing! Im rubbish at parking forwards mind and just can't get it right, no matter how I try - always feel like Im gonna hit the kerb or cars at either side ... anyways, I digress.
A friend of mine's driving instructor placed 2 coloured stickers on the back window - or two small black marks (I forget which exactly) but would tell her to line each mark up with the kerb/car/any other relevant thing in order to reverse correct. Worked really well for her. It would take two people to do it, I guess, one physically reversing the car (perhaps you?), and one placing the mark in the right place at the right time so that your daughter would know she was lined up correctly.
If this makes no sense, I apologise - but as Im such a great reverser, I forgot the specifics ... ;)
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Observation shows that there are two different kinds of reverser.
Some, usually but not invariably male, have an instinctive appreciation of which way to turn the wheel, possibly derived from years of playing with Meccano and Lego. Others need to have a rule of thumb - wheel left = turn right when looking backwards, etc.
The two minds work in completely opposite ways, so it is pointless trying to teach one by the other's method.
(It is exactly like trying to teach someone to steer a dinghy - tiller left = turn right)
I consider myself to be pretty good at reversing a familiar trailer with a familiar car, but the best example of reversing I ever saw was a woman I saw reverse a horsebox out through a narrow gateway and neatly turn it into the road ready for driving off. It was a big double box pulled (pushed) by a LWB LandRover, which is pretty unmanoeuvreable even going forwards. She did it in one go without stopping, and quite fast.
Just a query - does the current driving test permit looking over one's shoulder, or does it all have to be done with the mirrors?
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You should try reversing a double axle trailer. Sort of thing typically used for carted straw bales. If you can reverse one of those, you can reverse anything.
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Well I bought the model car, a good suggestion, and we have arranged to visit a car park which will be deserted this weekend. Advice much appreciated.
As an aside, I made an amazing discovery about myself after reading one post. Someone said ?turn the steering wheel left to turn right when facing backwards.? Eh ?? That can?t be right, surely. Out comes the model car. Sure ?nuff, you turn the wheel in the opposite to the required direction of travel when facing backwards. For what it?s worth, I?ve been driving for over 30 years and I?m a confident reverser. In all that time I clearly never once thought about the principles of it ? I just did it !
PS, No I haven't taught her to reverse before this !
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in my instructors car it was the bottom of the renault sticker on the window, maybe trry some of the driving school books they can give ideas to improve skills, thats how i taught myself to parallel park!!
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Temporarily not a student, where did the time go???
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My father was a driving instructor (Level 6) for a number of years after retiring from the police force (not traffic) and he used a small sticker on the rear window which you line up on the kerb - even works going round a corner.
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How to position the sticker ?
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ubidenmark - When I used to hit the kerb reversing round a corner or reversing into a parking space my driving instructor in the 60's ( a lady ) always made me keep looking over the shoulder in the direction I wished to travel at the rear wheel arch on the side towards which I was reversing.
I was then told always to remember that as the wheel was directly underneath the wheel arch I should not start turning the steering wheel until I was sure by using the mirror that the relevant rear wheel was past the obstruction , kerb , car etc that I wanted to miss .
Then , still looking over my shoulder steer slowly towards the direction of the rear wheel arch I was looking at.
It really is much easier to reverse when you are aware of the exact position of your rear wheel in relation to anything you want to avoid. I suggest therefore that you position the stickers directly over each rear wheel arch.
I hope this makes sense and it certainly helped me and helicopter jr to pass the test first time.
As others have said though , give her as much practice and encouragement as you can.
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Some people have problems with the fact that when they're reversing, the TRAILING wheels are now steering, and not the LEADING wheels. This requires a different skills set or (mind map) as another poster says. Can you find a toy can where the front wheels steer and practice on a table, this will show how the front end swings, and how to line up to park.
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I have now bought a model car with an active steering system and will spend some of this weekend going back to first principles with her. All advice much appreciated.
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I used Peter D's method with success when faced with difficult cases. If you can find some traffic cones reversing in and out of a line also helps.
The confusion generally comes when direction needs to be changed, most learners can get the car round the corner all right but suffer brain fade when it comes to straightening up. What happens is that when they begin to straighten and the car does not come out of the turn instantly they think they must be turning the wrong way and immediately start panic swinging the wheel in the other direction. Show her how many turns of the wheel it needs to get the car onto full lock and then get her to turn back the same amount. This will drum a method into her that she can make sense of, and with practice the penny should gradually drop.
Examiners are not impressed by stickers in the windows.
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Examiners are not impressed by stickers in the windows.
Espeically ones that say "don't laugh, your daughter may be in the back"
I'll get me coat.
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Examiners are not impressed by stickers in the windows.
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Which was why I was told back in the distant past to use the rear quarter light as a guide as to where the rear wheel was situated. In virtually all four door cars with a quarter light in the rear door it is directly over the wheel. Not sure what to suggest if your car is two door or has no quarter light though!
Personally I now reverse all vehicles on the mirrors, force of habit from driving vans all day, if the mirrors are set up right you should be able to put a vehicle in a space marginally wider than the vehicle. Now reversing a trailer, that's real driving....
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I have been told that if you have difficulty reversing trailers, holding the steering wheel at the bottom, instead of the top, can help. The hands still have the wrong instinctive movement, but turn the wheel the correct way. Do you need to have the hands at ten-to-two and feed the wheel correctly when reversing? I never did the UK driving test, just got my NZ licence transferred.
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Examiners have always accepted one handed steering when reversing, with the left had across the back of the passenger seat to make it easier for the driver to look rearwards and control the car. I don't actually know of any instructor who taught that method, though. In fact feeding the wheel using push and pull was only ever advisory and is used because it makes it easier initially for novices to develop disciplined steering. Crossing the arms would never result in a fail in my experience, provided control was maintained.
I can remember one pupil being stopped by the examiner early on in a test and told to forget about trying to push-pull the wheel because he was having trouble doing it, and going on to pass when he reverted to his more normal Octopus steering method.
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The trick with the toy car works a treat, as two daughters and a son will testify! They all passed first time...and said thank you to their Dad!
eProf
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