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Gritty Gritters - StevieWonder
Was coming onto the A34 from Oxford on Thursday night(9pm) when a Gritter several metres in front of me at the traffic lights starting spraying grit all over the place (as they do) and I couldn't get out the way quick enough as there was traffic all around me. Ended up chipping paint off my bonnet and chips all over my windscreen. Is there anything I can do or say to the Oxford council? I have a mate who is a Gritter but he only goes out after 12 midnight when there are less cars about.
GRITTY GRITTERS - Marc
Surprised the grit chipped your paint and windscreen. I've had to pass spraying gritters on several occasions, particularly on the motorway. Not nice passing them but I've never had any damage to the car.
GRITTY GRITTERS - Altea Ego
Pass them? the one on the M25 last night was doing 75mph
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GRITTY GRITTERS - Quinny100
The council has a statutory duty to grit the roads. You cannot sue a council for carrying out a statutory duty, unless it is carrying it out in a obviously negligent manner.

If you failed to spot a big yellow vehicle with beacons on, or spotted it and chose to do nothing about it then thats not the fault of the council.
GRITTY GRITTERS - P3t3r
The council has a statutory duty to grit the roads.
You cannot sue a council for carrying out a statutory duty,
unless it is carrying it out in a obviously negligent manner.


I hate these gritting lorries, and I think they should be banned. They grit far too often. If somebody crashes on a road that is obvisouly icy it's their own fault!
If you failed to spot a big yellow vehicle with beacons
on, or spotted it and chose to do nothing about it
then thats not the fault of the council.


What can you do? I was approaching a bend a few weeks ago, and a gritting lorry comes around at about 30mph (the speed limit), and with a closing speed of 60mph there was nothing I could do. From the noise I can understand how it can do serious damage, but fortunately I think I suvived this one.

If a gritting van did this kind of damage to my vehicle I would probably do something illegal!
GRITTY GRITTERS - mare
I hate these gritting lorries, and I think they should be
banned. They grit far too often. If somebody crashes
on a road that is obvisouly icy it's their own fault!

That's a joke right?
GRITTY GRITTERS - Marc
Pass them? the one on the M25 last night was doing
75mph
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The ones I have seen on the M4 at around 9PM were doing about 60 in the middle lane - causing a slight tailback whilst drivers decide whether or not to pass (and risk their paintwork from the hail of grit)
GRITTY GRITTERS - Navara Van man
I doubt you could actualy prove that the grit caused the damadge. On the motorway i would simply pass them however on a b road I would hang back.
GRITTY GRITTERS - Pugugly {P}
We used to call these "Garrys" when we were kids as in Garry Gritter.

However, it may worth writing to the Highway Authority concerned to see where you would get, remember we're talking civil burden f proof here not a criminal one.
GRITTY GRITTERS - Navara Van man
I suspect that it is recomended that the spreader is not started until the gritter lory has acelerated to leave agap of sy 3m or so between the back of the lory and the folowing car at trafic lights etc. Most gritting lorys seem to hold back at the lights to alow trafic to pass/pull back before the start the gritter spinning
GRITTY GRITTERS - Civic8
IIRC a gritters spreader is designed to work at a given speed(not sure of new ones) spread of grit per sq/metre at given weight per metre at certain speed.

I think this used to be set,so no matter what the speed the gritter, spreader carried on spraying at the set amount,so if the gritter slowed down,sections of the road would get more of a dosing than other sections where the vehicle had speeded up.

But doubt very much anyone would have cause to complain,due to the fact they are doing a job,and as fast as possible
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Steve
GRITTY GRITTERS - L'escargot
In my neck of the woods, they don't spread grit any more. They use 100% rock salt. When out walking you can see the white crystals at the side of the road.
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L\'escargot.
GRITTY GRITTERS - pyruse
The 'grit' *is* rock salt, pretty much everywhere, I think.
GRITTY GRITTERS - cheddar
We used to call these "Garrys" when we were kids as
in Garry Gritter.


Gally Gritter surely.
Gritty Gritters - turbo11
many years ago,one of my work colleagues was in a similar position to you,except he ended up with a broken windscreen.Initially Surrey county council denied liability,but undeterred my friend pursued the matter and eventually he succeeded in getting them to pay up.
Gritty Gritters - L'escargot
The vehicles and drivers at Lincolnshire's nine "gritting" depots have recently been officially blessed at simultaneous ceremonies by the Bishop of Lincoln and other members of the clergy.
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L\'escargot.
Gritty Gritters - cheddar
If the vehicle was simply stationary at the lightys then suddenly turned on its beacon lights and started gritting without heed to vehicles that were behind it in the queue then you have a case.
Gritty Gritters - Group B
I'm very surprised it has chipped your paint and windscreen. Are you sure its not just little flecks of salt left behind after the impacts? So far this winter I've driven past at least 4 gritters on dual carriageways or motorways, with me doing 60-70mph, and I've not noticed any damage...
Gritty Gritters - temp username
Hi ,ime tacking my local county council to court tommorrow,just doing my homework!,Windscreen companies apparently replace loads of screens every winter ,and its the county council who pay for a lot of them.(but thay dont wont to pay me).was told by gritting team manager to put a claim in ,he even addmited liability and offed his appologies,Thay gritted both sides of the road in one hit,(into oncomming traffic at windscreen height),i was doing 60mph thay were doing at least 50 Thats some impact speed!,so lots of little holes. Serious implications for motorcyclists without visors
will let you know how i get on

{Location and windscreen company name removed. You've made an allegation against your local council, which contravenes our no naming / shaming rule, hence the removal - DD}
Gritty Gritters - type's'
I do not think the guys would have been spreading rock salt in August for preventing ice somehow.
This would have have been proper stone grit probably spreading it after the road has had a new coat of bitumen put down first.
Gritty Gritters - mare
I'm guessing here, but perhaps it's taken temp username 6-9 months to get them to court? Hence the gritting would have been clement
Gritty Gritters - bell boy
? Hence the gritting would have been
clement


i think they use rock salt rather than clements up here in yorkshire clements are 10 bob a pound in season..........
Gritty Gritters - cheddar
i think they use rock salt rather than clements up here
in yorkshire clements are 10 bob a pound in season..........

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Five farthings ?



They were gritting some molten surfaces in July.
Gritty Gritters - kithmo
LOL, I suppose that's what you get for tailgating a gritter ;-)
Gritty Gritters - temp username
It takes along time for council insurance officers to work ,thay probably hope you either give up, or die first
Gritty Gritters - temp username
thay deserve to be named and shamed,i won the case,and thay could have easly killed a motorcyclist
Gritty Gritters - temp username
Ive just spent half an hour writing my follow up and lost it all somewhere thanks to webmaster changing my name becaus of a _ whatever ,so its going to be short and sweet
I WON
And webmaster whats wrong with nameing the GUILTY PARTY NOW want to take me to court for saying deleted County Council were Negligant and orderd to pay for a new screen
Thease guys deserve to be named and shamed on the day thay could have killed a motorcyclist
Gritty Gritters - Dynamic Dave
You didn't lose your post because of the webmaster changing your username. The system automatically logs you out after approx 20 mins of inactivity. By having an open window and typing your reply counts as being inactive. See "How to avoid losing long replies..." over in the Announcements forum.

As regard to naming / shaming, you may know that what you say is absolutely true; I do not know this. Neither am I prepared to put the amount of time, money and effort into the level of investigation which would be required for me to know that you were being truthful.

Any further attempt will see all your notes removed (rather than just edited) and your account disabled.

I would also advise checking your email inbox, as I beleive the webmaster has emailed you on several occasions now, regarding your username change.

DD. Backroom Moderator.
Gritty Gritters - Ashley Briscoe

I have just been on the motorway today in my car that isn't even a month old and you've guessed it - a gritter that has left chips to my winscreen - I read remarks about people having to do their jobs and how it is better to avoid accidents on the motorway and roads, etc. What I don't understand is why they have to do this during the middle of the day and when the temperature is not even near freezing - I also note that gritting with salt is an option - there were obviouly some kind of stones to this grit. If I drove past a council vehicle and ended up causing a stone or other object to cause damage to their vehicle, would I be prosecuted - after all, criminal damage is still criminal damage.The state of roads near me is poor with pot-holes and all the rest and I also read again today over all the money being made through various fines and things - my council tax is again going up but alas, there is nothing in tryurn for single folk that can't even take care of the things they work hard to buy - there is no common courtesy anymore of people giving a hoot about others - very sad day - I know now not to drive out in cold whether or use the motorways - am also not quite sure how it works with this busy stretch of motorway - apart from it not being near freezing, I thought that the constant action of tyres on the rad limited the opportunity fpr freezing - there must be alternatives to grit - there must be better times to grit and at slower speeds, the force of the grit is vastky reduced. rant over

Gritty Gritters - RT

Given the 100's, sometimes 1000's of miles that need gritting and the fact that it needs to be down BEFORE temperatures drop, it simply has to be done 24/7 - not when convenenient.

There's a clue is the name "gritting" - it's a mixture of rock salt and grit, the rock salt has much bigger pieces than table salt.

Considerable energy has to be applied to the grit to reach across all motorways lanes in one pass.

Clearly don't drive close to a gritter - and remember that if they're gritting it may not be safe to pass them to drive on ungritted road.

Gritty Gritters - Bromptonaut

If you were on a motorway then it's pretty well certain that gritter was moving in same direction as you. Did it pass you at speed or were you passing it?

Gritty Gritters - badbusdriver

And how would you have reacted had you spun on the road and crashed due to it not having been gritted?.

As for the grit itself, yes there are stones in there, but very very small. I think it much more likely that it was a stone thrown up by the truck tyre that has done the damage. I live in North East Scotland and most of the roads i drive on are single carriageway A and B roads. I often pass gritters heading in the opposite direction so the speed the grit is hitting my van considerably higher than when you are overtaking one on a motorway or dual carriageway in the same direction, but i have never had any problems.

Gritty Gritters - gordonbennet

On a motorway if you don't want the risk of damage, it might be best to follow the gritter at a decent distance, keeping to the inside lane and a long way back so others can pass if they so wish, the gritter is usually in the middle lane so lorries will want to overtake on the inside, so would be best if you don't make a rolling roadblock by making it impossible for lorries to pass you then undertake the gritter.

Nine times out of ten the gritter will exit at the next junction even if its to go around the roundabout fully and rejoin, thats when you get back up to speed, you will probably lose 2 minutes in all.

In some other countries they make do without salt, Japan for instance, though i have no idea what sort of product they put down instead.

I'd like to see the end of road salting, our cars would last decades longer than currently and our vehicles and roads would be so uterly filthy for months on end.

Gritty Gritters - Ian_SW

My policy with motorway gritters is always to pass them as soon as possible. Unless you drop a couple of miles back, the other cars on the road flick far more salt into the car over the course of the next 10 miles than you get going straight past. Also, as the output on the gritter is pretty low down, the main 'hit' from the spray tends to hit the (plastic) front bumper and splitter rather than the metalwork of the car. My current car, has done nearly 90000 miles over the last six years, mostly in North Yorkshire (where they almost routinely grit from October until early May) and has very few bonnet stonechips, and none which have gone so deep the car has rusted.

I think some other countries do "Liquid Brine" treatment where a concentrated salt water is spread from a tanker rather than the salt in solid form. I think Germany is one of these, and there have been trials in the UK. This is actually worse for corrosion as the road is always wet, though less likely to chip the paint.