Product placement in films - lordy
I had the dubious pleasure at the weekend of watching the films 'The Cat in the Hat' and 'Thunderbirds' (don't ask). I was amazed at the amount of Ford cars and logos appearing in both these films. Thunderbirds featured the Ford T'bird based pink FAB1 car, as well as loads of 4x4's and (i think) Fiestas, all with Ford stickers and badges on display. The Cat in the Hat featured a yellow T'bird and scores of old shape Focus's (Foci?) with aero boards covering the wheels, still with many Ford badges in prominence. IIRC Ford also supplied 4x4's for Jurassic Park.

Then of course there are the 'concepts' produced by Audi for I,Robot; and Lexus in Minority Report. Is this outlay by the manufacturers really worth it? It must cost mllions, but how do they quantify a return on their investment?
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Product placement in films - AngryJonny
Not seen the two films in questions but a friend reliably informs me that Thunderbirds is just a 90 minute Ford advert.

Why did they use a Thunderbird in The Cat In The Hat but not in Thunderbirds? Hmm.

I suppose it must pay off or else they wouldn't do it. There are a scary number of people out there who can't tell fiction from real life. "Well, if a Ford is good enough for Lady Penelope it's good enough for me."

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Product placement in films - J Bonington Jagworth
"It must cost millions"

I'm sure it's worth it for the exposure (witness the fact that we're talking about it). Advertising is always expensive, but product placement has the advantages of global reach and a nice (for the advertisers) subliminal effect. Also, you can't turn it off...
Product placement in films - lordy
Exposure is one thing, buying is another.
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Product placement in films - Round The Bend
I heard that Rover paid a fortune to place those Allegros in "Life on Mars"!
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Product placement in films - massey
Has anybody noticed that the period cars on Tv/film are always in pristine condition. Never any scrapes or bashes on them. They are like new all polished and shiny. (probably on loan from a collector)

This never happens in the real world?
Product placement in films - R75
I was watching something on the TV about this the other week - there is a guy in this country who makes his living out of placing the right car in the right programme. If you have the misfortune to have your other half addictated to the soaps you will have noticed the Rovers in Emmerdale that have all now been replaced, and the Range Rovers in EastEnders. The guy was saying that some manufacturers are very picky as to where their cars go and others are happy for them to be shown in crashes and all sorts. Sounds like that guy had an excellent job if you ask me.
Product placement in films - Stuartli
Product placement has been going on for many years - even comedians mention brand names during their acts - and firms most certainly wouldn't support it if the return was not worthwhile.

What's more the "shelf life" of such product placements is exceptional, especially compared to the short time an advertisement is shown, as films etc will be shown for years to come.
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Product placement in films - Wally Zebon
The Audis in I Robot were mostly A2s and A4s although Will Smith drove a Le Mans concept.
All had major body kits covering the wheels. I've seen a thread on another forum with pics of one of the cars being driven down a public street in LA. It was before the film came out and people thought it was for real!

Lady Penelopes car in Thunderbirds was originally intended to be a Roller, but Rolls Royce in their wisdom decided against it, so Ford offered to make the big pink 6 wheeler as long as they got the rest of the cars. Lots of Focus' and Mondeos.

I watched Cat in the Hat over Christmas and took a while to wrok out the same conclusion. Ford everywhere.

Product placement in films - Garethj
Manufacturers generally accept it's worth it, even though they're sometimes slow to catch on.

Jaguar refused to give an E Type to The Saint in the 1960s so Volvo stepped in and it couldn't have done any harm to them in terms of favourable exposure. Bear in mind that the cost of supplying a few cars wouldn't even cover the Marketing team's bar bill for an afternoon meeting of 'where can we advertise our car'

Naturally when Return Of The Saint came around in the 70s, Jaguar were first in the queue with a shiny new XJ-S parked outside the production office.

Pontiac worked hard to get their new Trans Am into Knight Rider, and they basically enjoyed an hour's free advertising every week all over the world, plus all the kids wanting to play with the toys etc.

Specialist vehicles are more work for the manufacturer, but it's really the same as a concept car - it'll get some photos in a magazine or newspaper, some time on the screen and maybe a few press ads. As usual with these things, Ford are on the ball and managed to put a clause in about using other Ford cars in the film too.
Product placement in films - Clanger
Lady Penelopes car in Thunderbirds was originally intended to be a
Roller, but Rolls Royce in their wisdom decided against it...


Wisdom; a commodity in painfully short supply at BMW I guess.
Hawkeye
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Product placement in films - BobbyG
Can't remember which James Bond it was, but SWMBO got mad at me after going to see it in the pictures and I explained to her that all the goodies had Ford Derived Cars and the baddies had the others. The one with the fantastic chase on the ice.

Goodies had Jaguar, Range Rover etc In fact, IIRC at one point a transport plane opens its doors and tips a selection of Porsche and Ferrari out the door!!
Product placement in films - Adam {P}
Wasn't the ice chase one "Die Another Day"? I must say the worst one to date but the ice chase redeemed it.

Didn't the baddie have the green Jag XK though?
Product placement in films - johnny
Does it ever work the other way ? Has a manufacturer taken legal action after a film ( for example )makes their cars look inferior in a car chase, or is associated with criminal activity. You wouldn't want to buy one of those big American cop cars, they can't turn a corner without rolling over or crashing into a fruit stall.
Product placement in films - richy
And all those dam boxes that litter the small alley ways...
Product placement in films - L'escargot
The number plates of cars in films sometimes gives a clue as to whether they were supplied by the manufacturer.
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Product placement in films - Garethj
Does it ever work the other way ? Has a manufacturer taken legal action after a film ( for example)makes their cars look inferior in a car chase, or is associated with criminal activity.

VWs lawyers were all over Disney when The Love Bug was being made in 1968, the Beetle splitting in 2 at the end must have been a bit of a shock to them! When it was released it became the highest earning film in America for 1969 and of course did no harm to the car's reputation, so when the sequel came out in 1974 VW were all ready with an advertising campaign, dealer prizes etc.

More recently, the Playstation 2 game 'The Getaway' had one of the characters using a BT van to get to the next level of shooting and mayhem. BT ordered the game to be changed and I believe all newer versions of the game have a different van in them.
Product placement in films - Adam {P}
Very true. To be fair, you can see why BT were unhappy. You don't just drive a BT Tranny Van, you have to enter a Police Station as a BT engineer and kill a few cops.

I wouldn't be all that happy either.
Product placement in films - Garethj
Very true. To be fair, you can see why BT were unhappy. You don't just drive a BT Tranny Van, you have to enter a Police Station as a BT engineer and kill a few cops.
I wouldn't be all that happy either.

It would never have happened if Buzby was still at the helm :-(

I'm sure video games are another source of easy advertising for manufacturers though, plus they don't have to produce any cars for it!
Product placement in films - Adam {P}
>>I'm sure video games are another source of easy advertising for manufacturers though, plus they don't have to produce any cars for it!<<

On the flip side, I have a game called Driver 3. I'm sure those with PS2's will have heard of it but for those that haven't, it's a fairly realistic driving game.

However, none of the cars are real. Sure - you can tell that one looks awfully close to a Mustang without quite being one and another looks distinctly similar to a Cadillac Seville but they're not real. However, "NOKIA" is plastered everywhere throughout the game. The main character has a Nokia phone - so detailed that you can even tell what model it is. The Bus Stops, billboards and posters dotted about the various cities all have "NOKIA" emblazoned on them too.


Product placement in films - Wally Zebon
>>I'm sure video games are another source of easy advertising for
manufacturers though, plus they don't have to produce any cars for
it!<<
On the flip side, I have a game called Driver 3.
I'm sure those with PS2's will have heard of it but
for those that haven't, it's a fairly realistic driving game.
However, none of the cars are real. Sure - you can
tell that one looks awfully close to a Mustang without quite
being one and another looks distinctly similar to a Cadillac Seville
but they're not real. However, "NOKIA" is plastered everywhere throughout the
game. The main character has a Nokia phone - so detailed
that you can even tell what model it is. The Bus
Stops, billboards and posters dotted about the various cities all have
"NOKIA" emblazoned on them too.

Nokia are still at it in Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory for the X-Box. All the computers found in the game have a Nokia screen saver. Some of the cut scenes between levels alo show Wrigley's Airwaves chewing gum.

Product placement in films - Adam {P}
Now you see - that wouldn't make me go out out and buy a Nokia or a stick of Wrigley's gym. Similarly, seeing a Cadillac CTS on The Matrix wouldn't make me long for one even though it looks nice.
Product placement in films - MichaelR
On the flip side, I have a game called Driver 3.
I'm sure those with PS2's will have heard of it but
for those that haven't, it's a fairly realistic driving game.
However, none of the cars are real. Sure - you can
tell that one looks awfully close to a Mustang without quite
being one and another looks distinctly similar to a Cadillac Seville
but they're not real. However, "NOKIA" is plastered everywhere throughout the
game. The main character has a Nokia phone - so detailed
that you can even tell what model it is. The Bus
Stops, billboards and posters dotted about the various cities all have
"NOKIA" emblazoned on them too.


Usually, product placement works well - I personally dislike playing racing games which do not have real cars, but in the case of Driv3r they really shot themselves in the foot.

The Game was quite obviously set in the 1980's - not a single car was much newer than that and even the fast exotica were late 80's Lambo's and similar, given this seeing advertising for Nokia's latest mobile phone all over the game just... didn't work.
Product placement in films - Tornadorot
More recently, the Playstation 2 game 'The Getaway' had one of
the characters using a BT van to get to the next
level of shooting and mayhem. BT ordered the game to
be changed and I believe all newer versions of the game
have a different van in them.


I noticed that of all the vehicles in The Getaway, the only one that wasn't an authentic model was the van, which was a thinly-disguised Transit. Presumably they didn't get permission from Ford to use their vehicles.

By the way, Will Smith's Audi in "I, Robot" was one designed specially for the film, called the RSQ.
Product placement in films - Adam {P}
The one I've got is obviously a Tranny van. You can get the Hi-Cube, Initial City Link, Fed Ex and Royal Mail variants of them.

I wonder if that was another change that got made later on as I got one of the early ones.

Not a bad game but the handling of the cars was pretty poor.
Product placement in films - mare
Wisdom; a commodity in painfully short supply at BMW I guess.
Hawkeye
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Oh i dunno, they got Bond into their Z3, Z8 and a 7 series. The Z3 was on screen for about a minute, but really helped launch the car.
Product placement in films - mare
GM donated 300 cars for the chase sequence in the Matrix Reloaded (source imdb.com). I guess because of the varius brands GM has, it's more subtle than the product placement in I Robot, apart from the two Cadillacs which are the focus of the chase.

The baddie (agent Smith) has an Audi A4 though.

One firm that never got product placement was good old BMC / BL. The Mini's in the Italian Job were, as i'm sure most of you know) bought at cost, whereas FIAT couldn't give the producers enough cars.

And then there's the stories of the BL cars in the Professionals and New Avengers, they got a different colour one each week......
Product placement in films - Lud
Noticed this as a child with Hollywood movies, especially production-line B movies: the cars would be Fords, Mercurys and Lincolns; or Chevrolets, Oldsmobiles and Cadillacs; or Plymouths, Dodges, De Sotos and Chryslers. Especially naff but also science-fiction-looking were movies with Nashes in them.
Product placement in films - MoneyMart
One firm that never got product placement was good old BMC
/ BL. The Mini's in the Italian Job were, as i'm
sure most of you know) bought at cost, whereas FIAT couldn't
give the producers enough cars.


Sounds like pretty shrewd product placement to me!

BMC/BL got shed-loads of positive publicity out of it, and it cost them nothing!

Wheras it would have cost Fiat a bomb to provide all their cars (many of which would have been written off or damaged), and the publicity they got was very poor (i.e. the Fiats were portrayed as an inferior product to the mini's).

I reckon you got it the wrong way round!!!
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Current car: 55-reg Audi A4 2.5 V6TDi Quattro flappy-paddle
Product placement in films - Stuartli
IIRC BMC never made any money on Minis - at least for a very long time after the original launch.
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Product placement in films - Marc
I seem to remember reading an article in Practical Classics, or similar, in the last 10 years that basically said that Ford were experts in product placement. Look at the value Ford got out of the Sweeney and the Professionals in the 70s - lots of mean and moody shots of Consul/Granada MkIs, Capris and Cortina MkIIIs - must have been great for sales.

BL on the other hand simply couldn't be bothered - when approached regarding cars for the New Avengers - Steed's Range Rover, Purdy's TR7, SD1 they could never provide the same car twice. Bit of a case of why should we...

Regarding the RR used in the original TV series of Thunderbirds, IIRC it was an unofficial model created by Gerry Anderson. RR subsequently tried to buy the model at auction in order to destroy it as they found it an embarassment. Silly really as it's probably the world's best known Roller - pink, bubble top and with six wheels.
Product placement in films - mare
Sounds like pretty shrewd product placement to me!
BMC/BL got shed-loads of positive publicity out of it, and it
cost them nothing!
Wheras it would have cost Fiat a bomb to provide all
their cars (many of which would have been written off or
damaged), and the publicity they got was very poor (i.e. the
Fiats were portrayed as an inferior product to the mini's).
I reckon you got it the wrong way round!!!
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Current car: 55-reg Audi A4 2.5 V6TDi Quattro flappy-paddle


Yeah, i suppose you're right actually.
Product placement in films - Thommo
Apparently someone did a count up and Irobot is the most product placed film to date with Will Smith even referring to the products as in 'cool trainers' 'yeah there Converse vintage 2004'.

Also the producers of the Professionals were really patriotic and dead keen to promote BL cars but BL just didn't get it. They would not turn up, turn up with the wrong model, yank a car half way through shooting and replaced it with the same model but different spec or different colour or both completely missing the need for continuity. Meanwhile Ford were panting for a deal so they eventually went with Ford. Another example of BL management brilliance.