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There's nothing within my price range at car supermarket of under £5,000. I have looked around London and the home counties and CarGiant is the cheapest.
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Don't worry Gazza. I realise it can be very frustrating waiting, but, to borrow a figure of speech from the world of public transport - which will therefore probably baffle some Backroomers :-)- it's a bit like waiting for a bus.
You wait, and wait, and wait and conclude there isn't one coming, and then suddenly 3 arrive in quick succession. Hang in there!
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Thanks tyro, I'll hang in there. I'm fine for the time being but I hope the QX will hang in there with me :-)
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Why dont you try the auctions, lots of Mondeos,including brand new ones seen yesterday.
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Why dont you try the auctions, lots of Mondeos,including brand new ones seen yesterday.
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I beleive that is exactly what the Joe, the auction buyer, is doing on his behalf.
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My grammar leaves a lot to be desired for.... can we have an edit button please?
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On the subject of GTC/Car Giant or whatever they are called now - having just looked through their website is it just me or are they a lot more expensive than they used to be?
Once upon a time their cars were £300 or so above auction price and you accepted the inconvenience of no warranty, virtually no test drive and rubbish trade in for an auction+£300 price plus the option to thoroughly view the car.
Some of the cars there now are easily £1000-£2000 above what they'd have paid and you still have no warranty, no test drive, rubbish trade in etc.? A case of cornering the market and then raising margins?
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you still have no warranty
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now you have the law on your side:
www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/facts/cars.htm
during the first six months:
the consumer returns the goods in the first six months from the date of sale and requests a repair or replacement or a partial refund. In that case, the consumer does not have to prove the goods were faulty at the time of sale. It is assumed that they were. If the retailer does not agree, it is for the retailer to prove that the goods were satisfactory at the time of sale.
after the first six months:
Under sale of goods legislation (Sale of Goods Act 1979) consumers are entitled to expect that any goods they buy are of satisfactory quality. That is, that the goods meet the standard that a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory taking into account the way they are described, their price, and any other relevant circumstances, such as the fact that they are second-hand or used. ... ..
If a product that was not of satisfactory quality at the time of the sale is returned to the retailer, the buyer is entitled to a full refund (if it is within a reasonable time of the sale), or, if a ?reasonable time ? has elapsed, to a reasonable amount of compensation. The consumer needs to demonstrate the goods were not of satisfactory quality at the time of sale. This is so if the consumer chooses to request an immediate refund or compensation. It is also the case for any product returned more than six months after the date of sale.
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Let your local Ford dealer know you are in the market for a used Mondeo. If they haven't got what you want at the time, they may know of a P/X arriving shortly. Failing that, they no doubt talk to other Ford dealers and may well be able to find you one.
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I really wouldn't rely too much on the Sale of Goods Act as a warranty. It takes into account fair wear and tear, faults which should have been evident on reasonable inspection, the price paid, the way the car was sold and advertised, misuse subsequent to purchase etc.
If the engine blows up 2000 miles after you purchase it or the gearbox siezes then you'd have an argument but don't expect to buy a 60,000 mile 3 year old car from a car supermarket and then take it back 2 months with a slipping clutch or failed wheel bearing. On a high mileage car you might even have trouble arguing things like a blown head gasket as this could be argued as the kind of thing likely to go through wear and tear on a high mileage car.
The Sale of Goods act is there to stop consumers being blatantly ripped off - it is not there to enable consumers to buy cheaply and then get all the protection of a warranted sale.
If you buy a 10,000 mile 1 year old car from a franchised dealer at full retail price then faults will be viewed differently under the SoGA than a 3 year old 60,000 mile car sold below retail from a car supermarket.
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If you buy a 10,000 mile 1 year old car from a franchised dealer at full retail price then faults will be viewed differently under the SoGA than a 3 year old 60,000 mile car sold below retail from a car supermarket.
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Whilst I agree in general terms, wouldn't a "franchised dealer" and a "car supermarket" have similar obligations to their customers? Also I'm not sure whether the "price" has anything to do with it; Whether you buy a used car for full retail value at a dealer or buy a similar/same car at just above auction value from a car supermarket, surely the SoGA should apply equally to both cases?
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The circumstances, price and way a product is advertised all affect your rights under the SoGA. As Car Supermarkets normally offer a warranty as a specific optional extra at time of sale they could quite rightly argue that it was made very clear to the purchaser no warranty was included in the asking price and the car was sold as seen.
Furthermore car supermarkets such as Car Giant also claim to inspect their cars. Assuming they keep a detailed record of this they would have considerable more evidence that a fault didn't exist at time of purchase than the buyer would that it did.
The SoGA is to protect the consumer from dodgy deals, blatantly false advertising and products which clearly do not do the job as described. As far as used cars are concerned it protects you from inaccurate descriptions, lies and sometimes very major mechanical failures. It should never be considered anything remotely close to a warranty as far as used cars are concerned or as a catch all "get out" for the buyer not reading the terms and conditions or understanding the basis of a sale providing that information is made available and clear to them.
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Dear all,
Joe has finally found me the car! He is a fantastic guy and I can truly recommend his service to anyone.
The car is a Sept 2003 face-lifted Ford Mondeo TDCI 130 Ghia X in metallic red with cream leather, done 96k and cost £5,500. Joe said that's a good price and I agree with him. Drove it back from Blackbushe to central London and it averaged 52mpg.
Now, I am hoping that anyone can help to resolve a few things with the car;
1) It only came with one key and when I contacted the last owner (company), they don't have the second one. What's the cheapest way to source a 3-botton Ford remote key? Dagenham Ford wants £57 for the key and £93 for programming which I thought is very expensive.
2) The car seems to have very short 1st and 2nd gear. It is also too powerful in 1st or 2nd gear also. If I try to set off in 1st, the turbo kicks in too violently. If I set off in 2nd, it is very easy to stall. How are you suppose to drive these cars? (FYI, this is my first diesel)
3) There is a small tear (1/4 inch) on the door arm-rest plastic trim. What's the best way to repair this?
4) The car came with a Sony Ericsson HCB-500 car kit but I have also used Nokia. Is it a DIY job to just swap the cradle over or is it a re-wiring job?
Sorry for the many questions and thanks in advance for any answer.
Gazza
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That was a long 3 months waiting for the right Mondeo.
So this weekend it is wheels off and retorque the nuts?
Did the QX survive? Can we expect a QX with a hole in it up for sale in the classifieds?
Re the missing key. £150 seems to be about the norm in a Ford MD.
Lots of discussion on this subject if you do a search.
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Agree with you over the gear ratios on the Ford TDCI's. The Focus I had last week was just the same. You tend to accelerate rapidly in 1st, but no speed because the ratio is so low. Can be awkward pulling out of a side road. I think the trick is to get it moving in 1st and then shift into 2nd ASAP.
For the tear I would just go to one of the 'SMART' repair companies who do this type of trim repair. The can do an 'invisible' repair and get the texture right etc.
As regards the QX - don't scrap it. Should be easy enough to weld a short section of sheet steel over the hole. There are various holes punched in the front crossmember - its not just one of those that's 'enlarged' through rusting a bit is it?
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Re. the QX - it has been behaving itself recently.
There are two patches of rusted holes 2-3 inches from either side of the central engine mount on the front cross-member (visible through the gaps between the fog lights). Are these holes punched into the front cross-member?
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Re the missing key. £150 seems to be about the norm in a Ford MD.
This must mean that the key is now the most valuable part of my old Mondeo!
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Seems a very good price, Archers of Ashby have a Jan 2003 2002 model pre facelift with 22k on the clock for £8999.
1) It will cost you a £100 plus though is worth getting a spare.
2) "It is also too powerful in 1st or 2nd gear also." Just takes getting used to, it is quite punchy at low revs so too much welly in the low gears can make it seem quite violent in its delivery. The 2.2 has what is effectively a boost limiter operable in 1st and 2nd.
3) "There is a small tear (1/4 inch) on the door arm-rest plastic trim." New trim from a dealer, probably £40 ish, worth it on a car of that age.
4) No idea.
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All the details I have points to the necessity of 2 working keys to program the 3rd one.
I only have 1 working key :-(
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A Passat is a far better built car than any Mondeo.
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A Passat is a far better built car than any Mondeo.
Tosh!
If my experience is anything to go by...
VWs are not what they used to be whilst, at the same time, Ford has done a great job in improving their cars.
Splodgeface
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A Passat is a far better built car than any Mondeo.
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Build might be the only area in which a Passat compares to a Mondeo and even then Ford's recent reliability has been way ahead, however in all other respect the Mondeo is far superior.
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<< Seems a very good price, Archers of Ashby <<
My lad bought his 03 Focus TDCi Zetec at this outlet (travelled 150 miles each way to get it) and was very impressed with the way he was treated and the salesman's honesty on the PX.
Because the car he was exchanging was exactly as he described it over the phone Archers, without any prompting, added £200 to the PX value.
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2) The car seems to have very short 1st and 2nd gear. It is also too powerful in 1st or 2nd gear also. If I try to set off in 1st, the turbo kicks in too violently. If I set off in 2nd, it is very easy to stall. How are you suppose to drive these cars? (FYI, this is my first diesel)
I had a auto for a week once - I wasn't sure if it was dangerous or hilarious. Booting it onto fast roundabouts it was handy that it was auto - it took off so violently that you needed to have both hands available to hang on to the wheel!3) There is a small tear (1/4 inch) on the door arm-rest plastic trim. What's the best way to repair this?
If the piece can be easily replaced, then that's probably the best/cheapest option. However, when I picked up my otherwise unmarked Merc, it had a cut in the centre console plastic. The dealer (MB Direct) 'invisibly' mended it. You'd really never know it had ever been cut. Not sure how you access these people though - perhaps a local SMART repairer or bodyshop could do it?
4) The car came with a Sony Ericsson HCB-500 car kit but I have also used Nokia. Is it a DIY job to just swap the cradle over or is it a re-wiring job?
Hmm - I can find HCB-300 and 700 but not 500! Is it bluetooth and can you sync up with it? If it's a hard wired kit then you probably need to replace it with a complet Nokia kit - not expensive these days.
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