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Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Happy Blue!
It is no more than zero out there, but there is no frost - great. So why did the idiot in a Clio try to wash his windscreen with his washers and wipers?

He could not see as his car was not warm enought to thaw the slushy icy goo on his screen as he drove along, so he drove down the A56 looking out of a one inch patch of clear screen, weaving all over the road and generally being a danger to other traffic. I pulled off and went an alternative route after he slammed his brakes on for a shadow.

ARRRGGGHHHH
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Villaman
I've always wondered why, even with over 50% concentrate, does screen wash solution still freeze on a cold windcreen?
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Happy Blue!
Cold screen takes the energy out of the solution and the wind chill will have an effect as well.
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - BobbyG
One of the young lads in my work did that on Saturday - scraped enough of the frost away to let him see and set off for work.

Police pulled him over and told him they were doing so because he hadn't scraped all his windows.

In doing so, they smelt his breath and back at the station it was shown that he was 2 and a half times over the limit..........
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Adam {P}
I think I'll just go and wash my screen - looking a bit dirty.

What's that you say? Slushy ice? Ohhh noooo. Heated washer jets.


Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Happy Blue!
Poseur
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Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - mss1tw
I think I'll just go and wash my screen - looking
a bit dirty.
What's that you say? Slushy ice? Ohhh noooo. Heated washer jets.
> here now>


How? You got one of those Webasto whatchamacallits?
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - PW
Snowing down here in the South West. M5 down to 1 lane between Wellington and Taunton for a little bit.

Still got overtaken by a moron in an Audi RS2 going quite quickly down a dual carriageway- with the outside lane very slushy.
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Collos25
Wind chill will have no effect, Boyles law
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - barchettaman
3 inches throughout the evening yesterday here in Frankfurt, and for once the German efficiency was found wanting as the gritters hadn´t been out. Our journey back last night was eventful! Thank goodness for winter tyres.
Although it was annoying to constantly be held up by Beemers on normal tyres slithering around. Grr. Ultimate driving machinè? Not in those conditions..
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Wales Forester
It's on mornings like this that I miss my Ford heated screen, why can't Volvo do one for the S60!?

Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Nsar
Heated nozzles should be standard fit on every new car, it's an essential bit of safety kit.
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Vin {P}
"Wind chill will have no effect, Boyles law"

Under conditions of constant temperature and quantity, there is an inverse relationship between the volume and pressure for an ideal gas?




Insert finger in mouth. Wet it. Take it out and blow on it. Note the drop in temperature. Increased wind speed increases the rate of evaporation, leading to cooling.

V
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Mapmaker
>Wind chill will have no effect, Boyle's law

Really? Have you ever used one of those pot wine chillers that rely on evaporation to chil your wine? Evaporation removes the more volatile part of the screenwash. Increase the wind speed (the air on a frosty morning will have approx 0% humidity as any water vapour will condense on sub-zero items (which is why you get frost)) and increase evaporation rate. Screenwash is a mixture of alcohol and water, so the alcohol will evaporate preferentially, and the alcohol is the thing that stops the screenwash from freezing, so you are left with water... which freezes.

Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Dalglish
windchill

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sorry to switch to windchill from the o.p.

i always understood windchill to be defined as a human "illusory" sensory thingy, not a reality.

whereas convection is a real physical thingy.

question is, what happens when a car is travelling at 30mph in the same direction of a 40mph wind, and conversely when it is travelling in the opposite direction. does the convection asistance equate to minus10mph in the firt case and plus70mph in the second case?
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Vin {P}
"question is, what happens when a car is travelling at 30mph in the same direction of a 40mph wind, and conversely when it is travelling in the opposite direction. does the convection asistance equate to minus10mph in the firt case and plus70mph in the second case?"

+10 and +70. The speed of the wind is always positive; it's direction may change. The convection assistance comes from the speed of the wind; the direction is irrelevant.

I use speed as a physics term, where it is different from velocity: Speed is a scalar [has a magnitude], velocity is a vector [has a magnitude and a direction].

V
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Vin {P}
ref: "it's direction".

Unreserved apologies for the solecism. Oh, for an edit button.

V
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Dalglish
10 and +70. The speed of the wind is always positive;

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eh ? i am puzzled. effect of wind direction on car:
negative = wind assistance, and positive = drag
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - MoneyMart
Yawn... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

You lot finished yet?

B O R I N G ! ;-)
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - cheddar
Suggest it should be +10 and +70 as Vin says though it is +10 on the back of the car and +70 on the front.
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - BobbyG
Well bad snow up here in the central belt of Scotland today.

Observations?

Rear wheel drive - you can keep it!

4WDs - whats the point if you then hand the keys of it to a woman who doesn't actually know how to drive it in the snow?

Lights - yes these are on the car for a reason!

Saw a Mazda RX7 (I think) with a very low front spoiler - it was just acting as a snow plough , hilarious to watch!

Don't know if all cars are the same, but my Scenic wipers kept wiping the snow from the windscreen to underneat the wipers, this snow of course grew and grew, until I had to stop and get out and brush it all away so the wipers could work properly.

And who else is like me? The first sign of the snow and you are out driving in it even though you know it makes sense to just stay at home!

Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - mr.freezer
"And who else is like me? The first sign of the snow and you are out driving in it even though you know it makes sense to just stay at home"

Me too, I remember being stuck on the M8 all morning a few years back (just next to the services thank god) and it is quite exciting

I've got to go to Skye next week !
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Hugo {P}
Can we keep to the subject matter please.

Hugo - BR Moderator
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - BobbyG
Thought I was???
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - Hugo {P}
Sorry Bobby,

That message wasn't aimed at you. It was a reply to the last of those who went off on a tanget above.

If you click on "View Threaded" you'll understand what I mean.

Hugo
Cold but dry in Manchester this morning - mr.freezer
Sorry

Cold and horrible here too, people don't know how to drive properly in snow (me included) etc,etc