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Why overtake? - $till $kint
Picture the scene. It's dark, raining hounds and kittens and it's rush hour. Traffic is moving forward in fits and starts, maybe 50 yards at 5-10 mph, then 200 yards at 20 or so. It's a typical suburban A-road with traffic islands, side roads and chevroned right-turn refuges. The road is straight as a die for 4 miles.

I'm making my way along this road on my pushbike at around 18-20mph. I have a full high-viz coat on, and have a matching cover for my rucksack. I have a solid red light on the bike, a scrolling red led light on the back of my helmet and a flashing red armband all showing to the rear. To the front I have a twin 15-25w Cateye Halogen headlamp set on the bike and a flashing white led at shoulder level on the rucksack straps. In short, I'm HIGHLY visible.

In the free-flowing bits I was riding mid-lane as my speed matched the flow of traffic. In slower bits I overtook to the outside as you would on a motorbike. When riding with the traffic flow I kept a couple of car lengths back from the car in front to allow for braking or other avoiding action.

So WHY ON EARTH did I find that in those 4 miles, 5 cars overtook me into this miniscule space only to immediately cut back across me and brake hard to avoid running into the car in front of us? Within seconds the traffic had slowed (and was clearly visible as having slowed ahead) and I was overtaking these people again. In each case I had to take avoiding action, including hopping on to the kerb in one instance to avoid becoming another RTA statistic.

What is the obsession with being in front of a cyclist? A cyclist who is clearly maintaining or exceeding the speed of the traffic, who is highly visible and is overtaking correctly when opportunities present?

If anyone can see what I'm doing wrong I'll gladly learn from it. I have no desire to pass the proceeds of our joint life policies to my beloved wife just to prove a point.
Why overtake? - smoke
Often motorsists are driving on auto pilot, they see a cyclist, and brain (dis)engages to think: cyclist; ergo, slow and therefore must overtake, they often don't bother to see what the car in front is doing until they are actually doing the manouver, since they think that the bike will only take 1 bike lenght to overtake i.e. forgetting that the thing is moving and at speed) leading them to them swerving in and breaking hard. (I think all drivers have done this at some point, i know i have, but i do try and be careful).
Why overtake? - Roger Jones
I'd like to applaud you for setting an example to the majority of cyclists, to whom the concept of visibility seems unknown. Also for heeding the Highway Code in your riding habits.

Sadly, many (most?) car drivers don't think ahead. You see this all the time, as manifested in brake lights in situations where a little anticipation would make braking unnecessary. As smoke says, there's an autopilot syndrome operating here, and for that matter in all sorts of other circumstances.
Why overtake? - patently
You've done something to upset MI5, $$. They want you dead, or at least out of circulation.

It's the only sensible explanation.

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Seriously, it's autopilot mode kicking in. They may not have seen your track record of keeping up.
Why overtake? - Pigleted
I have a full high-viz coat on, and
have a matching cover for my rucksack. I have a
solid red light on the bike, a scrolling red led light
on the back of my helmet and a flashing red armband
all showing to the rear.


What, no fairy on top?
Why overtake? - $till $kint
Oh christmas tree, oh christmas tree,
you have just cycled past me

I'll chase you and I'll overtake
You'll be surprised how hard I brake

Oh christmas tree, oh christmas tree
You shouldn't be in front of me.
Why overtake? - BazzaBear {P}
You're missing a vital point $$. How are they supposed to know that traffic ahead of you is stationary?
You're the vehicle ahead of them, surely you can't expect them to look more than one vehicle ahead?

Oops. I seem to have lapsed into sarcasm.
Why overtake? - $till $kint
I'm not that fat......
Why overtake? - patently
Just a though, $$. I might be wrong here.

But, you seem to have quite a few bright lights at driver's eye level. Are they perhaps trying to get past to avoid being dazzled?
Why overtake? - J Bonington Jagworth
"I have a solid red light on the bike, a scrolling red led light on the back of my helmet and a flashing red armband all showing to the rear."

What you sadly lack is the flashing blue one. That would do it...
Why overtake? - $till $kint
The red ones are all standard (not superbright) LED lights, certainly nothing like the wattage of the normal rear lights (not brake lights) on a car. It's possible that the scotchlite strips on the coat can be quite bright if their headlights are aimed too high though, I hadn't thought of that.

Still, if they think I offer less light at the front they are in for a nasty shock.

As regards the blue light idea, the white LED lights are very white (can you have degrees of whiteness?) compared to halogen lamps, which have a yellowish tinge. They certainly can appear bluish when compared to a normal car headlamp.
Why overtake? - patently
Still, if they think I offer less light at the front
they are in for a nasty shock.


:-D
Why overtake? - cheddar
What is the obsession with being in front of a cyclist? >>


Simple, a cyclist in front is a hazard, a constantly changing perhaps unpredicatable hazard, a cyclist behind is a hazard passed thus enabling the driver to concentrate on the road ahead. Overtaking a cyclist might not always be the correct thing to do though that is the thought process going on behind the wheel.
Why overtake? - $till $kint
Once again cheddar, if you'll pardon the pun, you take the biscuit. Or should that be cracker?

Every car in front is a potential hazard. "Officer, I was on the wrong side of the road at 120mph to avoid the potential hazard represented by the 40 or so cars queuing in front of me."

This constantly changing and unpredicatable (sic) hazard is travelling at the same speed or faster than the prevailing traffic so the natural reaction is to overtake it? If that really is the case I'll be doing the gene pool a favour if I drag the next motorist to do this from his car and bludgeon him to death with my bike pump.
Why overtake? - patently
Every car in front is a potential hazard. "Officer, I
was on the wrong side of the road at 120mph to
avoid the potential hazard represented by the 40 or so cars
queuing in front of me."


Stop it, $$. You're giving me ideas!
Why overtake? - cheddar
Once again you are ignoring the point made and being, to give you the benefit of the doubt, at best patronising. Cut it out!

I am also a cyclist and motorcyclist, I am certainly not making excuses for other motorists however it is clear that the average driver percieves, as I said, a cyclist in front is a hazard, a distracting hazard that is best passed as soon as possible.
Why overtake? - $till $kint
Once again you are ignoring the point made and being, to
give you the benefit of the doubt, at best patronising. Cut
it out!


Granted, I was being a mite disingenuous with my response, for which I apologise. I genuinely hope that this isn't what is causing people to undertake such a malicious and dangerous manouvere but I fear there may well be an element of truth to it. To draw a parallel, both my wife and I frequently find people pull into our path on motorways and dual carriageways if we are in the L200. There's a glance in the mirror followed by "ooh, that's a pickup so it must be moving slowly, I'll pull out". It's likely that the conditioning that says pickup = slow is being applied here.
I am also a cyclist and motorcyclist, I am certainly not
making excuses for other motorists however it is clear that the
average driver percieves, as I said, a cyclist in front is
a hazard, a distracting hazard that is best passed as soon
as possible.


There were 5 motorists in 4 miles who did this, so not an average response, but enough to have me clenching the saddle in a most unexpected fashion.....

Steptoe's point is one well made. It is perhaps a symptom of our exercise-averse society that relatively few people ride a bike after their 16th birthday when the scooter licence is obtained and anyone on a bike is seen as some kind of green, tree-hugging freak with no money. A wider appreciation of what it's like to ride a bike on our appallingly maintained roads would certainly help.
Why overtake? - Steptoe
If a condition of issue of a provisional licence was the holding of a cycling proficiency award cyclists might have a better survival rate.

I am sure it is just ignorance rather than malevolence that causes motorists to behave as badly as they do. Oddly enough, though, eye contact, if this is possible, will often do the trick, though this didn't help with the female BMW driver who used to regularly overtake me in the mornings at 40 on a twisty 8 foot country lane.
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One mans junk is another mans treasure
Why overtake? - cheddar
I am sure it is just ignorance rather than malevolence that
causes motorists to behave as badly as they do. >>


Agreed.
Why overtake? - Alan
Its not just cyclists that these people have to overtake. On a number of occasions I have been overtaken, sometimes dangerously on a bend only for them to turn off immediately afterwards with me only a few yards behind. I am left wondering what was the point.
Why overtake? - Roger Jones
With rider-driver education in mind, I continue to dream of the day when you can't purchase a bicycle until you have taken a riding and road-awareness course, and you can't obtain a provisional motorbike licence without holding the certificate from that course, and you can't obtain a provisional car licence before you have acquired a full motorcycle licence. I know, dream on.
Why overtake? - Mapmaker
I know I've posted this before, but with regard to cyclists I admire your bravery/think you're all mad.

The only place I am prepared to get on a bicycle is Cambridge. It scares me witless anywhere else.
Why overtake? - SpamCan61 {P}
My 'safe cyclist of the year' award this year goes to the one I saw ( just) last Wednesday evening.

Cycling in the New Forest ( i.e. no streetlighting, very, very dark) just after pub closing time, dwon the road from a pub, with no lights whatsoever. No relective clothing, no visible reflectors on the bike. I just hope they were'nt going far :-/

Why overtake? - bedfordrl
Working for Royal Mail means that I do bike deliveries as often as i do van ones, and i know which i prefer.
Its suicidal going on bikes, even with high visability jackets,people just do not look at you .
We have this large American working with us and he reckond this woman looked him straight in the eye, then "smack" knocked him off and drove off.
Going off on a tangent,walking away from the Post Office either way you cross either the High Street of the square and i started to notice something.
So the missus did not think I was being a chauvanist i made come with me.
We would wait for a man to drive down the road and look to cross, 9 time out of ten he would gesture for you to cross.
If a woman drove down the road and we went to cross 9.9 times out of ten we had to leg it , why?, it is the same on road junctions in slow traffic , a bloke will let you merge in, a woman (not always, but nearly) will not let you out.
They seem to have perfected the art of non usage of their periferal vision, they just stare ahead and do not let anything get in their way.
Not just a chauvanistic taunt but a real experiment, there was the odd woman who let you cross but not many.
No doubt i am in trouble know.