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Italian attitudes - hillman
The Italians are the least likely to keep traffic laws. One of my Italian workmates told me that if a policeman caught a motorist in Rome doing something wrong he was likely to give him a clip. If it happened in Naples the motorist would be more likely to clip the policeman for looking at him wrongly.

With two wheels it is different. The people, especially the young, look on motor bikes and scooters as a part of the social round. If traffic laws are thought about at all it is to think up overt ways to flout them. If you look around in any city you will see multitudes of motorbikes, scooters and mopeds with never a helmet or road tax, or insurance for that matter. Girls on mopeds doing 40 with hair flying straight behind. I remember seeing scooters with two girls atop being overtaken by bigger scooters with two boys atop. The boys cut in on the girls to stop them to ?chat them up?. The girls seem to look forward to it : it is part of the courting game.

I?ve seen scads of Harleys gleaming in the sun, never a speck of dust. Riders with a helmet strapped to the back, never worn.
It seems that the government ordered the police to seize bikes and scooters for misdemeanours. That includes have a passenger on mopeds, smoking, no helmet or not fastened, one handed riding, one wheel on the ground while being towed by a car ??

Thousands were seized and auctioned off. There has been a tremendous public outcry, including fights between police and motorcyclists, imagine! It?s not fair they say, and the government has had to back down and allow the bikes to be returned.
Italian attitudes - martint123
Time to emigrate to Italy then.
Italian attitudes - Altea Ego
I do hope that when global warming turns England into a mediteranian climate, we all become a lot more latin in out outlook and ways.
Italian attitudes - Citroënian {P}
Funny you should post this, we've just got back from Naples and Rome.

Naples is utter bedlam - so mad that the journey from the airport on the bus was a real eye-opener. No-one paying attention to the road laws, traffic signals, one way streets, tramlines or anything else that might be in our highway code. Mental. Then you watch it for a bit and realise that it's all working. Despite the apparent chaos and battered cars (and they're all battered), there's no agression and everyone makes progress. Cross a road on foot? Step out onto a crossing and the traffic will most likely stop if it's going to hit you. If not, then it carries on.

Takes some getting used to but I really quite liked it.

Rome on the other hand is a disaster. Travelling on foot is an absolute nightmare - you can't really cross a road anywhere without feeling genuinely frightened. The transport system hasn't been designed at all so buses, trams, scooters, cars, trucks, people and trains all just about smash into each other. There's no useful maps or descriptions of the Met.Ro. system, no co-ordinated infrastructure as far as I could work out, and where there was, it was so badly signed and planned that you couldn't make sense of it. It made Caracas bus service look like the Paris metro - and you could see the road through the floor of most of their buses. For a major city (in fact, for a highland village), it is a real mess.

I saw the scooter thing - the argument I read was that there wasn't a similar punishment for driving a Ferrari at 300kph through a town - confiscating a scooter, which is likely to be owned by a relatively poor person (e.g. teenager) was a disproportionate impact.

Read Clarkson's motorworld when I was away and the section on Italy captures the place really well. "Of course there's a speed limit in Italy. It's the speed your car can go"
-- Lee .. A festivus for the rest of us.
Italian attitudes - Citroënian {P}
Oh, and they had both the new Punto and Alfa 159 launches when we were there, couldn't resist a visit to the dealers, despite the justifiable protest of SWMBO. The Punto looks quite big really, but the 159 is another beautiful car. There can't be a cooler job in the world than a senior Carabineri in an immacualte uniform in their shiny bit Alfa. The normal plod make do with creased blue uniforms and Mareas...

On Capri, they run Marea convertible stretched taxis and, get this, convertible Nissan Praries. I'll post some photos onto the MSN site later.
-- Lee .. A festivus for the rest of us.
Italian attitudes - Bagpuss
There can't be a cooler job in the world than a
senior Carabineri in an immacualte uniform in their shiny bit Alfa.


Apart from the Lamborghini Murcielago driven by the Carabineri that overtook me last month on the A1 Rome to Florence Autostrada. The car was royal blue with police stickers and blue lights on the roof and I saw it later on the hard shoulder where the immaculately dressed officers were talking to some "dudes" standing next to a BMW X5 they'd pulled over.

Around Naples I also saw Fiat Panda police cars - the old Fiat Panda that is. Guess that's what happens to the police who don't meet their speeding ticket quotas.

Have to agree about driving in South Italy - total chaos. Anywhere there's space on a road someone will try and drive their car into it and the road surfaces can be pretty awful as well.
Italian attitudes - Chicken Madras
I was in Milan last week and had the dubious pleasure of being driven back to Bergamo airport during the Friday night rush hour.

How there weren't dozens of deceased scooter riders lining the road is still a mystery to me. They were weaving through the traffic leaving precious little space between cars.

What did surprise me though was the attitude to merging from slip roads onto the autostrada(?). There was none of this queueing malarkey. Everyone just piled up to the end of the slip road and in what seemed no time at all had merged with the traffic on the main roadway. Can't see that happening on the M25 somehow...
Italian attitudes - nutty_nissan
Italian driving standards are pretty high compared to India. Go to any major city in India and see how they drive there. Statistics mention that 25% of the world's bus crashes occur in India. In fact, you open up the daily national paper, and on the front page it lists how many road deaths occurred yesterday, as if it's no big deal.
Italian attitudes - Chicken Madras
A Salesman friend of mine had India as one of his territories. He's told me many tales of the local driving and is always sure to be back in his hotel room before it gets dark. Apparently they don't need to use headlights because some God or other is looking after them. Scary.
Italian attitudes - nutty_nissan
Well the majority of Indians are Hindus and believe in a pre-ordained destiny, so they figure that driving with or without headlights etc. makes no difference, if you are destined to die that day anyway. Actually, once you relax a bit and go with the flow, the traffic flows quite well. The dangerous situations are if you hesitate and stop in the middle of a road, then you are likely to be hit. As long as you go with the flow and keep moving, it's usually not that bad as people think.

I was in my uncle's car and the driver was weaving in and out of traffic, when somebody collided with the back of the car from the right hand side at approx. 20mph. Nobody stopped. When I queried why, they said "it was only a small one", "if it was a larger knock, we would have chased the guy until he got home".
Italian attitudes - stevegolf
I have being visting italy on business for many years,Milan area and The South and what amazes me I have never seen an accident in the chaos and the traffic does seem to move unlike here.
I recall once a milan rush hour and a guy literally stopped his car,door open and he stands outside talking on his mobile and no one bothers.
In June I was being driven by my italian friend in the deep south on a so called dual motorway with tractors using it and they were resurfacing one lane-no cones or warning and the freshly laid tarmac was spraying onto cars but the traffic moved,drivers including mine were shouting and waving there fists however at the workmen to no avail.
On another occassion they were painting white lines and again no cones-warning and using a spray it was also finding its way onto cars including ours--could you imagine here.
And you know that italians do not respect traffic lights,once I had an italian colleague visting us and driving around he always ask "why you not go there is no one coming",I told him the light was on red and his reply " ah in italy we do not bother,if no one is coming we just go!"
Don't you just love italy!! I do.
Italian attitudes - nutty_nissan
Portugal is way more dangerous than Italy for driving. From Social Trends official statistics in 2001, Portugal had 21 deaths per 100,000 population, highest in the EU. Lowest was of course the UK, with only 6.1 deaths. Italy was in the middle with 11.1 deaths.

Italian attitudes - IanJohnson
India sounds a bit like Suadi Arabia, once heard wearing a seatbelt described as heretical - if Allah wants you to die......
Italian attitudes - nutty_nissan
There's a joke about India, given the number of cows and donkeys on the roads. You have to drive around them, and they can wander onto wide carriageways where you are doing 100km/h plus.

Anyway, a young journalist comes across a crowd of people that have gathered after a road accident in rural India. The crowd is ten deep, but he really wants to know what's happened, as it might be a good story. So he runs up to the crowd, shouting "Let me through, let me through, I'm the victim's son". The crowd parts, he gets to the accident scene, and finds a dead donkey lying in front of the car.
Italian attitudes - stevegolf
sri lanka the same as India also.
I was being driven by a company driver just outside Colombo,when he slammed his brakes on to avoid hitting a cow-we came to stop of course,if he had being driving slower then it would have be ok.
Behind us was a Landcruiser and the next thing I new was armed police opening the passenger and drivers doors and shouting the driver and I out of the car.
The Landcruiser had a Government Minister and they thought we were Tamal Tiger terrorists.--an experience.
Last year on fast road south of colombo a car driving in the opposite direction at speed hit a dog,the dog was thrown into the air across on to our side of the road--no one stopped or took any notice,I looked behind to see the dog get up and limp away.
Whenever in Sri Lanka being driven around I always hold my breath msot times.
Like India they have a list of daily road casulities.
Italian attitudes - hillman
One evening, after working in Parco de Medici, near Rome Airport, we were waiting for the last company bus to take us into EUR. As we waited a group of armed men in uniform (the Italians love smart uniforms) arrived and quite self importantly ordered us to move away. I move immediately, but my workmate argued his civil rights. One of the men looked him straight in the eye and pushed a bullet up the barrel of his gun. Alacrity reigned. We had previously noticed a row of bullet holes in the Bank window, so we assumed that it was the security team an advance of the money collection truck. Sure enough an armoured car shortly drew up. It was like a military exercise.
Italian attitudes - Altea Ego
Well wouldnt you? specially after the brits in minis raided the place.


(yes yes I know it was turin but that would spoil the joke)
Italian attitudes - hillman
Then there is the police 'tactic' of parking on the pavement. They don't parallel park, but reverse on until the boot is against the wall. Pedestrians then have to walk in the road to get by. I can't imagine what they gain by that. I once saw one policeman in the car lolling on the backseat reading what seemed to be a Captain Marvel comic. Didn't even look at me. (I wonder if he confiscated it fron some kid.)
Italian attitudes - Adam {P}
It would be quicker to race to a job in either direction rather than turning around.

Silly though.
Italian attitudes - just a bloke
:) I love Italy.

8th or 9th biggest ecomony in the world... imagine what they could achieve if they actually gacve a stuff about anything other than not letting anything get in the way of living a good life ;)

Fantastic!

;) JaB
Italian attitudes - hillman
The Italians are quite relaxed about scrapping their cars. They had to pay a scrapyard to take cars long before the UK did. Park it on the street, take off the plates and walk away. I have watched cars fall apart over several months in front of the Victor Emmanuel monument, one of the greatest tourist attractions.
Italian attitudes - patently
I love Italy. Absolutely love it - Southern Italy was the best holiday Mrs P & I have ever had. The views ... the food ... the relaxed attitude ... the food ... the restaurants ... the food ...

But their roads scared me witless.

Especially when you see a Ford Transit coming the other way. At circa 40 mph. In a back street. A back street that is approximately 2" wider than, say, a Ford Transit. And there is nowhere to stand. We found that you just have to close your eyes for a millisecond or so and then the Transit miraculously reappears behind you. No idea how.

Did I mention that I liked their food?
Italian attitudes - Bagpuss
I like the way that they overtake on a two way road. Basically someone starts to overtake a line of traffic, someone decides they're overtaking too slowly and overtakes them. Meanwhile, you're coming the other way and have to drive into the gutter to avoid a collision. But it doesn't seem to bother anyone and I always lived to tell the tale and enjoy the wine and food in the evening.
Italian attitudes - patently
There is a section on the Amalfi coast where a road winds around the sharp headlands and bays. It is essentially a long string of hairpin bends with a vertical wall on the inside and a vertical drop on the outside. One of those hairpins is through a tunnel, as the headland was just too sharp to go round. On the approach, the tunnel walls mean you have no visibility past the first 90 degree bend, let alone into or beyond the tunnel.

Here, we would have a speed camera, double white & yellow lines, the lot.

They have a sign on the cliff side, in English, French, German and Spanish. It says that you should watch out for oncoming overtaking traffic.

!!
Italian attitudes - NowWheels
They have a sign on the cliff side, in English, French,
German and Spanish. It says that you should watch out
for oncoming overtaking traffic.
!!



Patently, like you I enjoy Italian food -- it's hard to do better this side of Kashmir. But when in Italy, I prefer eating when I know I don't have a car journey afterwards.

I was wondering earlier whether there is perhaps an inverse correlation between orderly driving and good food? Most Northern Europeans eat boring food, but drive realtively conservatively. The mediterranean folks tend to drive wildly, but eat ell ... and the Pakistanis drive wildly enough to terrify the Italians, but eat brilliantly.

(Just to disprove my rule, when I was a kid the Irish used to drive badly and eat atrociously)
Italian attitudes - kennybase
Sticking with Thailand - when I was driving back from a village in the North East, came across many cars which were parked in the centre of the road whilst the owners were picking rice etc.

The idea of flashing when you want to overtake amused me to - not sure why. Got stopped a number of times out there, but never any fines etc - just think they wanted to see a white person! Maybe it was also down to the car full of Thai people I had arguing my case!! :-D

More fun was in Phuket and Pattaya on a bike though - was more aim and throttle than any other kind of driving.