Chedder's summary is a bit misleading.
Models up to two years old credited with NO breakdowns during the 12 month period covered are the BMW 1 series, Hyundai Getz, Jaguar S-Type, Lexus IS200/300, Mazda 3, Peugoet 406, Toyota Corolla, Volvo S40/V40 and XC90.
The models credited with one per cent of breakdowns are the Honda Accord and CR-V, Skoda Octavia, Toyota Yaris and VW Polo and two per cent vehicles were the Honda Civic, Mini and Volvo S60.
Some 14 per cent of Ford Focus C-Max models and 11 per cent of Fusions suffered breakdowns, yet the Focus figure was only four per cent, the Mondeo five per cent and the Fiesta six per cent.
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Chedder's summary is a bit misleading.
I stand by it, I said a few anomalies, not a summary.
P.S: Cheddar, an "a" before the "r".
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Very sorry, are you going to gorge my eyes out...:-)
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It's funny, i've got a VW that I think is excellent, and a Ford that I think is a bit average, and I subscribe to Which, and they come out with a report like this. Do these reports mean anything at all?
They mean that there is an exception to every rule ;-)
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>> It's funny, i've got a VW that I think is excellent, >> and a Ford that I think is a bit average, and >> I subscribe to Which, and they come out with a report >> like this. >> >> Do these reports mean anything at all? >> They mean that there is an exception to every rule ;-)
I suggest that what it means is that our personal experience with 1 car is not statistically valid. The combined experience of 4,000 plus drivers is statistically valid.
I mean, good Lord, some people - some people, yes, even on this forum, think that French cars are reliable and hold their value, tic.
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>>I mean, good Lord, some people - some people, yes, even on this forum, think that French cars are reliable and hold their value, tic.>>
There are even some who fantasise that VWs are unreliable and are mostly parked at the side of the road, accompanied by an RAC, AA or Green Flag van and patrol man....:-)
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How significant is a 10 point difference in a 1000 point rating?
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after reading some of their product reports i wouldnt trust a thing which say.working for a breakdown firm you hear people moan about the slightest thing and some not complain when their bumper falls off.and tose that fantasize about vw's breaking down are going to be very dissapointed,far better to dream about the mondeo.after all every man and his dog has one so theirs plenty to dream about
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>>I mean, good Lord, some people - some people, yes, even on this forum, think that French cars are reliable and hold their value, tic.>>
In the JD Power survey carried out in France, both Peugeot and Renault are above the industry average, whilst Citroen are only just below it. This makes them unreliable cars?
As far as not holding their value is concerned, this doesn't bother me at all, as it means they are cheap to buy.
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>>both Peugeot and Renault are above the industry average>>
Might be worth reading the second paragraph of my 23:08 link from last night...:-)
>>as it means they are cheap to buy>>
Exactly my best mate's view on nearly new Mondeos - he loves 'em and in March got two one-year-old 2-litre Ghia(?) Zetecs listed at £8,999 each, some £1,000 less than anywhere else, plus PX for two Y-registered Mondeo 1.8 LXs (the other is for his business partner).
In the mid-nineties I let him drive a 2.5-litre Mondeo I had on test and he was hooked from that moment on.
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>>both Peugeot and Renault are above the industry average>> Might be worth reading the second paragraph of my 23:08 link from last night...:-)
Yes, I cans see that it includes the Peugeot 406, which I had always thought had a bad reputation in the UK.
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So you think these surveys give accurate information? In that case the Which report makes interesting reading compared with the JD Power French survey. Both Audi, Mercedes Benz, Volvo and Peugeot are in the top ten in the JD Power survey but are rated poor in the Which survey, whilst Kia and Suzuki are bottom and second from bottom in the JD survey but rated good/excellent in the Which survey. Also Hyundai is rated 6th from bottom in the JD survey but rated excellent in the Which survey.
So which results do you want to believe?
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So you think these surveys give accurate information? In that case the Which report makes interesting reading compared with the JD Power French survey. Both Audi, Mercedes Benz, Volvo and Peugeot are in the top ten in the JD Power survey but are rated poor in the Which survey, whilst Kia and Suzuki are bottom and second from bottom in the JD survey but rated good/excellent in the Which survey. Also Hyundai is rated 6th from bottom in the JD survey but rated excellent in the Which survey. So which results do you want to believe?
I believe all the surveys, they use different ways to collect results and a slightly different age of cars.
The surveys can only go on the data they have, they don't invent things. The general trend is that Toyota are usually top with Honda and Mazda and occasionally Hyundai/Kia get a good rating becuase they have tranformed themselves with the latest models. If you look at the UK JD Power, KIA had the Best 4x4 (7th Overall) and the worst of all with an old model so thats why sometimes they get a good mark or a really bad one.
There is no getting away from the fact that all these surveys can't be wrong and the French/Italian manufacturers are normally towards the bottom.
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So to get completely opposite results means they are both right? I have been reading comment after on comment, on this site, that the quality of the German manufacturers cars is now indifferent/poor and yet in the French survey they are in the top ten.
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