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How long is the lease on the Corsa?
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This is a question of motoring, tax issues, and above all, employment contract issues.
Tax - Whilst you have the corsa rather than the VW you should be paying less tax. Make sure your payroll debt has got this in hand.
Contract of Employment. If the VW is a grade/class etc of car you're entitled to, then there is a terms and conditions issue here, assuming the corsa is in a lower grade.
However, I can see the benefit from the company's perspective. They are using up the rest of the lease on the Corsa, thereby saving some dosh by not paying two lease fees where one will do.
If the lease only has weeks to run, I would probably not make too much of an issue over it, just ensure that the car you chose is to make its appearance when you need it. However if it has a significant time left to run then you may choose to raise this with your HR dept.
It is possible that your fleet manager is acting without Ts and Cs in mind. As far as he sees it, his job is to save the cmopany money. It sounds like he's doing a fine job. However it maybe that he is either unaware or ambivilent to the company's contractual obligations to you.
If I am right and there is still a significant time left on the lease, you have a number of options to which to put to the company.
1) Insist that your T's and C's are met and the car that you chose is delivered asap.
2) Accept that the corsa is with you for the remainder of its lease and simply seek written assurance from the company that your VW will be with you at the end of the lease.
3) My prefered option, assuming the Corsa meets your needs OK, Agree to keep the corsa on the condition that the company makes a monetary adjustment to your package. They are saveing themselves the lease costs on the VW whilst you still have the corsa, so a sensible option would be IMO to recompence you the difference between the two lease costs. So if the corsa cost say £100 per month and the VW is £180 per month, then £80 goes to you.
The company still saves money and you are rewarded for your flexability. Also, you are seen to reasonable by your employer whilst at the same time asking for reasonable recompense.
Hugo
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I must say, everything Hugo says makes perfect sense.
I have been in a similar situation myself, 1989, new job, told I would have a choice of a Montego, Sierra, 405 or Cavalier, got the brochures, did the homework, fancied a 406, on my first day I was handed the keys to a 1.6L Sierra that needed 10000 miles put on it before it was changed, ended up with a new car 6 months later.
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This sort of flexability was quite well recieved at an interview I went to, but the job didn't "materialise".
When we discussed the car, I expressed a preference but stated that it wasn't imperitive as I suspected there would be some remaining lease on the vehicle my predecessor would leave behind. I stated I would be happy to receive my choice when the lease had expired.
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how about trying your best to blow it up? kill the engine and box ...if it turns out to be unreliable maybe they'l et you have another car
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I would look at your terms and conditions. The cars are not like for like, so who has used it in the past. Can you see a senior manager accepting such a downgrade?
I once temporarily took over a car, that had belonged to a recently promoted member of staff, but it was at least comparable with the one I was due to get later.
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I run my own business and have pledged never to employ anyone. Guess why not?
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I run my own business and have pledged never to employ anyone. Guess why not?
Petty mithering about which car your employees are entitled to perchance? Some of us have to pay for our own motoring....
Yes, I know you pay by way of the tax system, but its still a very cheap way to drive a newish car with no worries about insurance, etc etc.
(they dont call me grumpy round the office for nothing you know)
Alastair (Spelt my name right this time)
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And I thought you were being rebellious spelling it that way!
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Adam
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>> I run my own business and have pledged never to employanyone. Guess why not?
My company fixed this by forcing everyone to opt out. There are huge issues with this (from a duty of care point of view) but they don't care. I, for one, am not very happy about having to use my own car on company business - I have to take it to, and leave it, in places that I'm really not happy about. OK I get some compensation for this, but all the financial risk in the car is mine.
In the OP's case, there's a fair difference between an brand new Golf GTi and a cast-off Corsa. He'll have to pay company car tax, which is taxing the private use of the car - so he'll have to pay tax on a car which he'd probably never choose in the first place. What a great way of motivating people.
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Is this an indicator of the employers general attitude to the welfare of the employees?
You could always pull the health and safety card and say that the Corsa seat gives you back ache and that it could do you some permanent damage hence you chose a car (the Golf) mainly based upon the supportive seats that are comfortable for you.
I was landed with a 1998 Ford Scrote which I loathed. As soon as I mentioned back trouble brought on by driving the wretched thing it was history!
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"I run my own business and have pledged never to employ anyone. Guess why not?"
Don?t tell me. There?s only one coat hook?
I know, I know. You have "busy" hands...
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and above all, employment contract issues
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in the t&c of a company i am very familiar with (they tell the prospective employee of this at interview stage ) that they will have a choice of car in certain bracket, but that if on the day they start there is another "pool" or "ex-employee" car availbale within that range, they have to take it. in addition, they are told that the company values flexible employees who put the company's interests first - nudge, nudge, wink wink, if you think there are better employers you are welcome to find them. (and that there are twenty or more applicants for any job, which rarely has to be advertised, usually filled by word of mouth from a keen pool of waiting applicants.) if these terms are not acceptable, they don't get the job.
incidentally the company is not a run of the mill employer and has very specialised products.
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It could be worse - you could be driving a toyota aygo :-(
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It could be worse
Than driving a purple Corsa diesel?
No, really it couldn't ;)
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He said turquoise, not purple, they do a sort of metallic egg shell blue that looks OK, could be described as turquoise.
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Corsa, meet wall. Wall, meet Corsa. Hope you'll both be happy in the body shop. Now can I have the car I wanted please? "No, but here's a pretty piece of paper with 'P45' written on the top"
TIC mode off.....
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Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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Funny - i'd considered engineering the unfortunate demise of the corsa by introducing it to a tree/wall, but am not convinced of it's ability to withstand such an impact.
I'll try and ask for the difference in cash between the corsa cost and the £280 per month car bracket i'm entitled to. The car has 3 years left to run on the lease.
And i'm liking the imaginary back pain idea. I'm sure however that attempting my 100 mile daily round trip commute in a corsa will give me very real back pain very quickly.
Thanks for the advice boys and girls
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The car has 3 years left to run on the lease.
Surely it will get passed on to the next "noobie" at the company when they turn up expecting the keys to their "aspirational" essential company transport, leaving you free to order yours?
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It could be worse - you could be driving a toyota aygo :-(
Is an Aygo a no go area then? What's wrong with them??
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I'm guessing that i will be able to pass it on to the next rookie, when ever they may start. Fortunately it's a fast growing business at present, so it shouldn't be too long.
As far as i know there's nothing wrong with an Aygo. It's just not a Mondeo TDCi. Therefore no-one can recommend it!!
Grabs coat and runs for cover..........
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>>its still a very cheap way to drive a newish car
It really isn't, you know.
Anyway, the only contribution I have is that you should make sure you are taxed on the correct vehicle cost bearing in mind its list price when new.
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Charles
Sorry to hijack the thread but I was wondering if you (Charles {P}) could send me the complete copy of Ford's Technical Service Bulletin 24/1997 concerning the Ford Fiesta CTX Gearbox problems. My email is maxx121@gmail.com.
Thanks for your help and once again sorry for the hijack
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Charles Sorry to hijack the thread but I was wondering if you (Charles {P}) could send me the complete copy of Ford's Technical Service Bulletin 24/1997 concerning the Ford Fiesta CTX Gearbox problems. My email is maxx121@gmail.com. Thanks for your help and once again sorry for the hijack
This TSB is an old one now that's not on the last TIS CD disc. However I should be able to dig it out of my 'crypt of carp' at home. Will need to print it to a pdf tomorrow.
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Thanks Charles that would be fantastic, you have my email on my earlier post.
Cheers Maxx
maxx121@gmail.com
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Nothing really wrong with them but i prefer the 1.6 corolla i usually drive!
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