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£30 Fine for using your horn! - turbo11
Did anybody hear the story on radio 5 live at lunchtime about the guy who was fined £30 for "innappropriate use of the horn".Story is;
Guy in his car,on a friday night in his local town centre,somewhere in Cheshire.At the traffic lights,he is behind another car which has two occupants.Lights go green,car in front doesn't move-they are looking at girls going in to a pub.
Guy in car behind hoots his horn.
Driver of car in front gets out and approaches driver behind.Turns out to be two coppers in unmarked car in front.
The guy who tooted his horn was verbally abused by the cop and issued with a £30 fine!!.Cheshire police claim the officers were looking for a lost child and other driver was abusive.Fined driver totally disaggrees and he is going to the police complaints body to appeal against his fine.
No wonder law abiding citizens have lost faith in the police.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Badger
If that were so then:-
A) why did not the police explain the problem
B) charge him with the abuse offence, not the horn?
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Mapmaker
a) None of his business
b) Because the horn offence was easy to process and could be guaranteed to stick, whereas an abuse offence would have taken up rather a lot of police time, no doubt in court.

The police have long gone for getting you on easy offences when they want to slap your wrist.

Was it after 11pm?

I'm afraid that I do not go with the police brutality school. My experience of the police is that they are jolly good sorts.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - turbo11
Apparently it was 9pm.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Badger
If they're obstructing a green light then it's very much his business. In any event, a polite explanation turneth away wrath.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Bill Payer
I'm afraid that I do not go with the police brutality
school. My experience of the police is that they are
jolly good sorts.

Of course there's good and bad in everything, but Cheshire residents will know that driver was lucky not to be dragged out of his car and beaten senseless.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Rishab C
Maybe it was that idiot stupid donkey off the "Traffic Cops" TV show that was on last night, that was Cheshire Police.

"In a country where they are no longer allowed to catch criminals, they criminalise those they can catch."
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Altea Ego
What a load of rubbish

The bloke probably leaned on his horn .00036 microseconds after it went green, wound down his window .00500 microseconds later and hurled a stream of abuse.

What he got was two coppers climbing out of the car who gave him a £30 fixed for being a pratt!
£30 Fine for using your horn! - turbo11
According to the driver, he was not rude or abusive.After he sounded his horn and he looked at the rear view mirror of the car in front and he expected the driver to raise his hand in ackknowledgement that the lights were green.Instead HE got the abuse and a fine.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Pugugly {P}
"they are looking at girls going in to a pub."

How did the other driver know that ??
£30 Fine for using your horn! - turbo11
In the interview the guy said he could see both the officers heads looking to their side where there was a pub and a load of girls.
At the end of the day,common sense should prevail.
If I am at the lights and they go green and I havn't noticed and the guy behind hoots his horn then i will put up my hand in apology and move on.
Unfortunately there are too many aggressive people driving on the roads today.How often does somebody cut in front of you,causing you to swerve or brake hard.If you hoot your horn you can garuantee that nine times out of ten the response will be abusive.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - BazzaBear {P}
If I am at the lights and they go green and
I havn't noticed and the guy behind hoots his horn then
i will put up my hand in apology and move on.


But what if the guy behing leans on his horn for ages, rather than giving a (relatively) polite toot?
We only have the guys word that that isn't what he did.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - blue_haddock
But what if the guy behing leans on his horn for
ages, rather than giving a (relatively) polite toot?
We only have the guys word that that isn't what he
did.


Also did he use any non highway code approved hand signals?
£30 Fine for using your horn! - turbo11
whatever the length of the hoot,you dont expect anybody to get out and give abuse when they are in the wrong.Let alone a police officer.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - BazzaBear {P}
whatever the length of the hoot,you dont expect anybody to get
out and give abuse when they are in the wrong.Let alone
a police officer.

We've only got one persons word for it that that is what happened, and he's hardly un-biased.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Altea Ego
Well he would say that wouldnt he.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - ihpj
According to the driver, he was not rude or abusive.After he
sounded his horn and he looked at the rear view mirror
of the car in front and he expected the driver to
raise his hand in ackknowledgement that the lights were green.Instead HE
got the abuse and a fine.

>>
...Right, that explains it then since I obviously keep arresting (and sending to Court) innocent people because (surprisingly) they all say that 'I didn't do it Guv, honest.' - so obviously this Driver too must be telling the truth, being a pillar of society and all.

Point is, he was msot probably too quick in blowing his horn, and when the Officers spoke to him, he must have failed the attitude test big time. Got what he deserved 100%. Imagine if that had been an elderly driver in front of a woman? Wouldn't they feel intimidated by this driver's actions?

But to turn it the other way, do you think this would have happened in the States or anywhere else in Europe? The Police would have arrested hthis guy, 'roughed him up a little' and let him languish in a cell over night. here he got a ticket - and people say the British Police are bad! I really do despair.

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Im not plain stupid, just a special kind of stoopid.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - turbo11
Too quick blowing his horn?
Failed the attitude test?
Got what he deserved?
I cant believe a serving police officer would make remarks like that.Sounds like you have the same attitude as the cops in the story.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Dynamic Dave
OK, time out guys.

DD.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - BazzaBear {P}
>> I'm afraid that I do not go with the police
brutality
>> school. My experience of the police is that they
are
>> jolly good sorts.
>>
Of course there's good and bad in everything, but Cheshire residents
will know that driver was lucky not to be dragged out
of his car and beaten senseless.

Can you explain that? I'm a Cheshire resident, and I haven't the faintest idea what you're on about.
I have to say, I'm with Mark on this.
It does remind me of the Douglas Adams quote though:
Scientists have discovered the smallest unit of time known to man. They've called it the 'New York Second' and it's defined as the amount of time between the lights going green and the taxi behind you beeping it's horn.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Big Bad Dave
They've called it the 'New York Second'

I call it the manual gearbox second. Automatic drivers go on green, manual drivers start searching for gears. They?ll tell you a manual is more exciting to drive yet they?re always asleep when the lights go green.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - BazzaBear {P}
That's not a namual driver, that's a bad driver. I'm sure they'd be just as bad in an automatic.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - BazzaBear {P}
It's not even a manual driver.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - SjB {P}
After working all night and just getting to sleep, I would happily fine my neighbour £30 every time they toot d toot d toot toot toot's their yound son stood on the lounge window sill every time they drive away.

Horns are for emergency warning.
Nothing else.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Mapmaker
Before you shoot them, have you tried talking ever so nicely to them. Go on, be brave.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - SjB {P}
Yes.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - THe Growler
Oh, no, it's the Manila Second. Here the guy doesn't wait for the lights to go green, he is watching them change on the other side of the intersection, so he will start beeping while yours are still red. You're supposed to be moving already and at least 2/3rds of the way across the intersection by the time they go green.

Since cars coming through the intersection will have just crossed on their red light, thinking they've got a second before encountering anything coming through, the results can be interesting. Buses of course ignore any and all forms of traffic lights anyway.

You soon get the hang of it. Act like the rest do and you'll be fine. Drive like you were taught and you won't stand a chance.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Cyd
Can we get back to the crux of this matter? Can someone please explain why tooting your horn at someone who has failed to move off at green lights is innapropriate and worthy of a fine?

Personally I've had too much 'verbal' from far too many coppers to have anything less than 100% sympathy with this bloke. No matter how long he leaned on his horn. You only had to watch that Cheshire Prat on the telly a few weeks back to understand that. If that's how he's prepared to deal with people in front of cameras, what the **** is he like when there's no witnesses around?
£30 Fine for using your horn! - BazzaBear {P}
Can we get back to the crux of this matter? Can
someone please explain why tooting your horn at someone who has
failed to move off at green lights is innapropriate and worthy
of a fine?


Read the highway code, and you'll know the answer:

www.highwaycode.gov.uk/
£30 Fine for using your horn! - pdc {P}
I'm sure that in the future more and more people will be using their mobile phone's voice/video recording facility to back up claims of police abuse, rather like the case that was in court a few weeks ago.

£30 Fine for using your horn! - Avant
We shall never know how aggressively (i.e. for how long) the man behind tooted his horn - so the debate isn't all that fruitful.

Just to lighten it a bit -

Driving round a blind bend in a narrow country lane, a driver hits a cow.

Insurance co. "Did you give warning of your approach?"

"I sounded my horn."

"Did the other party give warning of his/her approach?"

"Moo."
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Truckersunite
So whats wrong with tooting the horn, it is there for you to draw attention, that is what the driver did, he was drawing attention to the fact that the lights were green. He did not use it as a rebuke neither did he use it outside of the nominated hours. Once again it sounds like the police were using their authority to decide the law rather then the job they are paid for which is to enforce it. The quicker the boys and girlies in blue remember that the better it will be for all of us.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Pugugly {P}
1. This is based on a radio report - not knocking the accuracy of the BBC but lets put some perspective on it.

2. If the guy feels that strongly about it he can still opt for a Court Hearing.

3. Did the report actually extend into saying what he was ticketed for ?

4. Isn't the minimum charge for a fixed penalty £40.00 ?

5. Is this another manifistation of the 159mph story ? - made better copy than 138mph.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Dwight Van Driver
Reg 99 MV Con and Use Regs 1986

...no person shall sound, or cause or permit to be sounded, any horn....fitted to a vehicle which is stationary on a road, at any time, other than times of danger due to another moving vehicle on or near the road.

Fine Max 1000 pounds No points/disq.

Keen Plod..

DVD
£30 Fine for using your horn! - WhiteTruckMan
or to put it another way.

92: The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn

while stationary on the road
when driving in a built up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am

except when another vehicle poses a danger.

Law CUR reg 99


from:

www.highwaycode.gov.uk/07.htm#92

WTM
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Cliff Pope
I had a feeling that there was a "not unless moving" rule.
It would help in these kind of situations if all cars had horns of the kind where a light touch gives a little, friendly toot, and only the full blast if you hit the button.
£30 Fine for using your horn! - turbo11
How about a horn that only works while the vehicle is moving?
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Leon on Derv
Reminds me of an idiot friend who stopped to express his disapproval to a police officer for parking a transit "safety camera" van on the pavement by the side of a dual carriageway.

The idiot parked his car in the adjoining bus layby about four feet from the van. The cop listened to his rantings, then calmly checked his tax and tyres and did him for parking on the bus stop.

Leon
£30 Fine for using your horn! - Altea Ego
Nearly as bad as trying to burn off an unmarked police car away from the lights ( in 1983 on the A30 at Ashford ). I wonder what plonker did that?

£30 Fine for using your horn! - Cliff Pope
How about a horn that only works while the vehicle is
moving?


Good idea, apart from those rare situations where it is worth ignoring the rule to warn someone who is about to reverse into you while you are stationary.