I am in desperate need of help!!!
I have a 1990 H-reg 205 GTi 1.9 (is the slightly later style of engine with the ignition coil bolted to the inlet manifold.) I bought the car with the intention of using it as a daily hack and some track day / autotest type events. The was fine when I bought it in Jan of this year, the only fault being it would occasionally not start when the ignition key was turned (i.e. a total not start wouldn't turn over you could just hear the fuel pump pumping and a relay clicking on the fuse panel). I thought initially that this would be something like a sticking starter motor solenoid as the car had only done 200 miles in the last year. When it would do this you would just have to try again and then the starter motor would pick up and go and start the car.
I used the car daily until Feb then was away with work for about 4 weeks therefore car sat unused. When i needed the on the first morning back to work the car would not start. It would turn over the engine (unlike the normal failure mode listed above) but would just not fire. I then managed to flatten the battery by various attempts to get it going. I checked I had fuel in the tank, checked fuel was getting to the fuel rail, checked the spark from the plugs, seemed a little weak so i installed new leads and dizzy cap, but still she would fire but not start!!!
Left her for another week, until I had time to have another fiddle, now when I tried starting her she would still turn over but not fire, but now when I released the ignition switch from the start position the car would continue turning over!! and wouldn't stop until I turn back to accessory position. As I had the problems previously with what I thought was a sticking solenoid thought this was a good time to change the starter motor. I had a spare starter motor from a previous GTi a few years back fitted it and low and behold the same problem was there, this when the starter motor was trying to mesh with the ring gear there was a terrible 'crunching / clattering' type noise as if the start was not quiet engaging with the gear properly when rotating. Checked the condition of the teeth on the ring gear and you could see the some 'damage' to the teeth caused by the incorrect engagement.
When I was trying to start the car you could see a small amount of smoke coming from under the bonnet, I presume this was because the starter motor was being continuously supplied with 12V?
At this point I thought I had best call an auto electrician.
He looked at the car whilst I was at work,his report to me on the phone was that he thought the ignition switch was faulty, and to change this and the starter motor. So I bought a new ignition switch, fitted it, and bought a new starter motor and fitted it.
Guess what.....??? The problem is STILL there.........but now the car nearly starts, i.e. the engine fires but I have to turn it off as the starter motor is still going.
Found another relay that was not located by the other bank of relays. It is under / near the steering column on the same bolt that secures the ECU. This is what I have found when I disconnect it. The engine turns over BUT when you release the ignition switch from start position the starter motor actually stops spinning!!! (unlike when the relay is plugged in) When it is plugged in the starter motor is continuing to be energised when the ignition switch is released from start position. Logically thought this was the cure to all my answers, apparently it is called a tachymetric relay that is involved in the fuel pump, starter motor solenoid feed, injectors, coil the whole nine yards. Replaced it, (peugeot tried to charge £69 VAT) eventually found one for £29 VAT, talking to the supplier i said that this would be the cause of all my problems - great!
Now the unit has arrived....plugged it in and it is doing the same flipping thing!!!....so what the hell is wrong!!! My electrical expertise is not too good, I have however located on a wiring diagram a relay on the fuse board that is also involved in switching to control the starter solenoid. Is there any way I can run a feed directly to the starter solenoid??? Help!
damn this french pink fluffy dice car!!!! I feel like chucking it in the skip......
Any help would seriously be appreciated....sorry its chapter and verse.....
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Edited by Dynamic Dave on 07/10/2008 at 11:23
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God damn this french pink fluffy dice car!!!! I feel like chucking it in the skip......
Yeah, welcome to PUG ownership :) When (and I guess IF) these damned things work, they are sweet machines. I've read through your post...but can't think of anything off hand, but look out for blue_haddock and Andrew_T - they have provided me with some help in the past...
Have you checked your 'earth' is A OK? No shorts or blown fuses etc.? Plus you might want to ask the Gurus @ www.psooc.co.uk/ ...
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Im not plain stupid, just a special kind of stoopid.
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Plus you might want to ask the Gurus @ www.psooc.co.uk/ ...
another convert to the cause!
Yeah come on over the the website as mentioned above - we're a friendly bunch and if you whack a message on the forum i'm sure there will be someone who can tell you what the problem is.
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hi
i also have a 205 "G" reg and i have been having the same problems, it was off road for a few days so work cud be done on it, but after that it just wudnt start. i have replaced the dizzy cap, checked the spark plugs, the coil, and may other things! but still it doesnt start, i no i have bad earthing problem in my car so maybe that cud be the prob.
much obliged if you cud give me any advice??
many thanks
ruby
{welcome to the forum Ruby, a request if I may, can you refrain from using mobile phone 'txt' talk please, thanks DD, BR Moderator}
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 07/10/2008 at 11:22
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I have a 1990 G reg 205GTI that has had similar problems but in reverse order.
The fuel pump relay failed and was diagnosed by the lack of power to the injectors and a silent fuel pump.I made a small wiring loom that plugged into the lighter socket and fed direct to the fuel pump under the rear seats.I fitted piggy back connectors so the wires to the pump were reconnected and backfed power to the injectors etc.As it is not uncommon for the relay to fail I still carry my home made wiring in the car.Unfortunately I had to pay the Peugeot price as at the time an alternative was not available locally.
My problem with the clicking solinoid appears to be relative to the charge of the battery. As I do few miles, I often connect a battery conditioner for days and find the engine fires immediately after turning the ignition key. However if the car is left for a few days the soliniod will click before the starter motor turns and yesterday it took about five attempts before the starter would operate.After the initial start the car is fine until another period of inactivity.
Although I cannot offer a solution I will be following your thread with interest
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pug3
are you sure your main battery is ok,
i owned a 205 sr (1360 twin choke as per the AX GT) and had a battery go on that car all the interior lights and radio worked fine but all you could hear under the bonnet was the solnoid clicking away like a machine gun. No other car has done that before with a flat battery (golf and escort i had both had dead batteries but no solnoid clicks)
in my case one of the battery cells had failed and you could even hear the battery fizzing when we jumped started the car......new battery was bought soon after!!!
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pug3
Posting date:- Fri 20 May 05 !!
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no oone relaced the ignition amplifier... i have same problem,, but it's been like it for 10 years now, my fuel pump runs on too, i just key clicking the ignition till it turns off. I've also found the imobiliser runs the battery flat in about a week. do you think my dodgey fuel pump over running (runs when engine and ignition off, and prevents immobiliser lighting) would be solved by this relay?
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The problem is the tachymetric relay, the one bolted to the ecu. common thing to fail on these little beasties. Ive owned a few now and know them inside out. If your going trawling breakers for a relay the golf mk3 also uses the same one, other than that they arent too expensive new.
google 205 gti drivers and join up. You wont look back.
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