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Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
Hi All

In June/July I will be driving across Europe with my wife, to Linz in Austria for my sisters wedding. We're going to take a week each way, and try to see/do as much as possible. I have not driven in Europe at all before, so it's all a bit scary and I thought I'd ask here for any advice or pearls of wisdom people may have, be they about driving conditions, things to see, things to avoid, absolutely anything. Any comments will be very gratefully received.
We've got a kind of draft itinerary, so I thought I'd put that here so people can see where we're going close to, etc:


Firstly, we're going to be catching a speedferry from Dover to Boulogne. Anyone else done this? What's our best plan, do you think? Aim to arrive dead early to ensure we don't miss it, or are they OK about bumping you to the next ferry?
If we miraculously don't get held up for ages, and do get to Dover really early, is there anything to do?

Get to Boulogne on evening of 24th June (Fri) stay in hotel there (are we better off moving on a bit to find a hotel? Is Boulogne nice, or scummy?

Saturday 25th: Drive to Antwerp to meet up with some friends. Stay night in Antwerp.

Sunday 26th: Drive to Cologne (about 2 hours) spend some time in Antwerp, some in Cologne sightseeing etc. Stay night in Cologne.

Monday 27th: Drive to Munich (we've just realised we have an extra day here. Effort will be put into making this a Nurburgring day, but I'm not hopeful.) So we'll arrive Munich on...

Tuesday 28th (after a 5-ish hour drive altogether from Cologne) Stay Tuesday and Wednesday night in Munich.

Thursday 30th: drive Munich to Linz (2.5 hours) stay in Linz for wedding and such.

Monday 4th July: Leave Linz.... we haven't got any further than that yet, we're planning on a more southerly route back, possibly involving Lake Constance and the Black Forest, so I've been informed. Need to be back to Bologne by Friday the 8th, maybe Saturday at the latest.

Please, please comment if you can help at all. I have never driven in Europe before, so we have no idea at all.
Also: How hard is it to just drive around and find motels/hotels/B&B's in mainland Europe? Is it likely, or should we be booking everything before we leave? Or what about SWMBO's idea: take a tent. Not sure about that one myself, space may be limited in the Coupe anyway.

Again, PLEASE comment if you have anything useful, it's all rather scary...
Advice on driving across Europe - No Do$h
Formule 1, Etap and Campanile all offer reasonable rooms at £20-£30 per night and can be found all across Europe. Formule and Etap are owned by Accor (also own Ibis and Novitel). You can look on www.accorhotel.com for details of the hundreds of sites they have across europe. Rarely need to book outside of main holiday weekends.

Having had a nightmare with ferries on the last couple of trips, may I recommend Eurotunnel? I won't be using ferries again after we were "forced" onto the tunnel by a ferry operator's ineptitude on our last crossing and what a revelation! Prompt, comfortable and relaxing.

Get yourself a comprehensive european breakdown cover with replacement vehicle and vehicle repatriation included. Last thing you want is to have a mechanical on day 2 and say bye-bye to the holiday.

Take it in turns to drive or you will both have a miserable time at your many stops as the driver collapses in a heap and is unable to appreciate the splendour of the new surroundings.

Be prepared for a surprise at the state of German Autobahns. Two lanes of rutted concrete in my limited experience. Maybe isolated case but I was shocked by what I saw.

Have fun, however you do it.

ND
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
For the fourth time, my wife and I are driving from Bucks to her home town in the Czech Republic during the summer, in the process using Speedferries for the second time. From our previous single experience, plus parent's use several times, they are very punctual and very reliable, with teething problems now history.

Our first Speedferries crossing was in February, and having set off very early and driven through snow, we arrived just ten minutes before sailing time. What happened? No fuss, just efficiency, and having checked in, we drove straight on, ramp up, and away three minutes early before we'd barely vacated the car.

Coming back was just as efficient.

The only downsides were (1) not enough newspapers to buy for the number of passengers who wanted one, and (2) that our 2003 V70 has the turning circle of an oil tanker with the rudder out of commission; it took a 97 point turn to squeeeeeeeeze ourselves past existing cars and turn right on to the ramp allocated. (The cat is not laid out inside like a RoRo ferry, being a warren of ramps and turns between the two hulls) Once parked though, we had acres of space around us, and come time to reverse out, there was no need to use the mirror or worry that the deck fell out of sight: I trusted the marshall 100%, and performed the entire reverse manoeuvre whilst looking out of the front window.
Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
Cheers to both of you, some good advice there.
I'll look forward to manoevring my Coupe round the ferry then, the turning circle is abysmal.
I had been thinking about breakdown cover, me thinks another thread is in the offing...
Advice on driving across Europe - Altea Ego
"Firstly, we're going to be catching a speedferry"

Stand on the back deck and watch the water jets - awesome

"Get to Boulogne on evening of 24th June (Fri) stay in hotel there (are we better off moving on a bit to find a hotel? Is Boulogne nice, or scummy?"

Calais is scummy very scummy, Boulgne is a nice old town with lots of good resturants, even better on the coast road between Calais and Boulogne.

TIP - On leaving Boulogne look for signs saying "Toutes Directions" meaning all routes. Follow the graphic for the channel tunnel, this will put you on the right autoroute (E40)

Antwerp is about 2,5 hours from Boulogne on a gentle cruise and is a very good route to get you used to driving on the wrong side
Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
Antwerp is about 2,5 hours from Boulogne on a gentle cruise
and is a very good route to get you used to
driving on the wrong side

That's rather handy, under the circumstances. :D
have just realised that my own insurer (Privilege) do breakdown cover. Since I need to ring them to sort out my european insurance, I may as well get a breakdown cover quote too.
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
"Firstly, we're going to be catching a speedferry"

Stand on the back deck and watch the water jets - awesome


And when inside the cabin, go up the stairs to the left hand end of the partition to the bridge. You'll find a small plaque with some tech specs. Something like 10,000 shaft horsepower at not much more than car engine tickover RPM, from EACH of FOUR diesels!

If you saw the Speedferries documentary, you'll recall that the turbochargers are each the size of a suitcase, so perhaps this should be no surprise!
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
Oh, and TomTom GPS on my iPAQ showed 46 miles per hour, too, within a very short distance of leaving harbour. Look around at the size of the vessel, remember the above tech specs, look at the water jets RF refers to, and then be truly amazed at this piece of engineering!
Advice on driving across Europe - tobyn
you may have been already, but if not, spend a night in the hofbrauhaus in munich.

after a couple of steins of excellent bier and some oompah oompah music you'll be slapping your lederhosen all the way back to your hotel. yes it's a bit touristy in places and they crank it up every night but it's a great way to get drunk.

last time i was there i found a breathalyzer near the loos. you put a euro in and after breathing through a pipe it measured how drunk you were! i'll never forget the sight of several swaying people each trying to prove that they were more drunk than the others.

re finding b+bs - i've never had a problem finding a place for the night. i think it's more fun being a bit flexible and seeing a small place off the beaten track in a stunning position rather than having everything pre-planned via the internet.

have fun..
Advice on driving across Europe - VTiredeyes
dont drive as the crow flies, you will find mountains and ditchs.

make use of the black tarmac. imho
;-)
tic.
Advice on driving across Europe - PhilW
Bazza - you'll love it!!
Some good advice above - just a couple of points I'd add - don't use town centre hotels in Calais or Boulogne unless they have secure parking, they seem to be targetted by thieves. Most hotels/motels outside towns have plenty of secure parking. In addition to Accorhotels mentioned above have a look at Logis de France
www.logis-de-france.fr/uk/index.htm
(also has links to Belgian and Luxemburg) for (cheap) family run hotels often with excellent food.
Second point - don't ever cross road to get petrol or shopping - too easy to rejoin road on the wrong side!

RAC has some good tips on driving in different countries - don't forget you need a "ticket" to use Austrian motorways - available at border.
www.rac.co.uk/travelservices/european_advisor/
AA has similar.
Take time out to look at local sites - Salzburg and the lakes near it are beautiful & will give a break between Munich and Linz.
Some German motorways are extremely busy (Stuttgart-Munich - Salzburg) and speed differentials can be great especially in hilly areas.
Don't forget to sample the local beer and food! (preferably in the evening when you've finished driving!!
Advice on driving across Europe - madux
Try Wimereaux - just north of Boulogne. Loads of hotels, bars and restaurants.
Advice on driving across Europe - Pugugly {P}
Just booked myself onto eurotunnel for a business trip that's up and coming. £123.00 return. Bargain.
Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
Just booked myself onto eurotunnel for a business trip that's up
and coming. £123.00 return. Bargain.


Speedferries is £38 return for both of us. ;) (And according to this thread, is quite a tourist attraction in itself!)
Wow! Fantastic response, thanks chaps. Keep it coming though!

Advice on driving across Europe - PhilW
"Try Wimereaux - just north of Boulogne. Loads of hotels, bars and restaurants"
I'll second that - a nice meal/beer/wine on the sea front and watch the sun set!
Advice on driving across Europe - madux
Spent an hour trying to post a reply to this query,(Twice!) but it got lost in the system.
Lets try again.
Wimereaux well recommended. Don't bother pre-booking - loads of hotels in France. Beautiful coast road north to Calais - pick up motorway from there, or head back to Boulogne for the Sat. morning market to buy lunch.
Hotels in Belgium & Holland few & far between - one for every 10 in France, might be worth pre-booking on the internet.
£20 in France, £30-40 in Benelux, £50-60 in Germany but good value including brekkie with cheese and ham! y******! Last time I stayed in Germany (2000) it cost us £60 for the hotel, including both of us getting pisado.
Advice on driving across Europe - madux
So tell me MODs, Why has the swear filter picked that out ??

Is this rude in Arameic, or something?
Advice on driving across Europe - No Do$h
No, but it is rude in South East asia and we have a lot of people viewing the site from there, even if we don't have too many contributors.
No Do$h - Alfa-driving Backroom Moderator
mailto:moderators@honestjohn.co.uk
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
Let's try: Mist
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
Let's try: Mist

Hmmm.

Hope not too many Germans read the site! ;-)
Advice on driving across Europe - madux
Maybe the filter was just very badly translated from the original Korean!
Advice on driving across Europe - Altea Ego
Seems to be quite happy with Merde as well.
Advice on driving across Europe - Altea Ego
"brekkie with cheese and"

Errr, When in Europe, does anyone else take a rather large handbag (with empty sandwich bags inside) down to breakfast, and accidently drop fully made up ham and cheese rolls into it that can then be eaten at lunchtime?
Advice on driving across Europe - borasport20
It is appealing to think of just rolling up somewhere in the afternoon and finding that idea b&b with the superb view and five star food, but when you're delayed because of an accident and stuck in one of those central german summer thunderstorms, a copy of the Accor brochure or something similar will be worth its weight in gold !

Also, if you don't have sat-nav, if you can beg/borrow a laptop with autoroute europe on it, it means you have decent scale street maps of whatever town you end up in.

Have fun !


Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
a copy of the Accor brochure


I did think that such a thing would be a godsend, but looking through their website could see no indication that they exist. Is this a definite thing? Any tips on how to get hold of one?

I did think of the laptop angle, but would probably be very panciky about it getting stolen.
Advice on driving across Europe - borasport20
The one we have we picked up at the Accor in Aachen last year

(an awful day - roadworks on the Fern pass, massive detour round Kempten in S Germany, horrendous thunderstorms, some sort of conference on in Aachen - we got one of the last few rooms so I vowed never to go without one if we go over again)


Advice on driving across Europe - PhilW
"a copy of the Accor brochure "

Pop into any Accor hotel when you first get there and pick one up - come to think of it I might have a spare one - will check this evening and let you know
How about going to a British IBIS hotel and getting one?
Advice on driving across Europe - borasport20
or (and this is on the web site, but it took some finding)

ring any reservation centre for a full brochure of 4000 hotels in 90 countries

United Kingdom 0870 609 0961

Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
or (and this is on the web site, but it took
some finding)
ring any reservation centre for a full brochure of 4000 hotels
in 90 countries
United Kingdom 0870 609 0961

Absolutely brilliant. Thank-you very much.
When we drove around SW USA last year we had a similar thing for Motel 6's, and found it incredibly useful. Even if we didn't end up using one of their hotels, it meant that we were never spending the day worrying about where we'd be stopping, we could relax and enjoy, knowing we had options.
Advice on driving across Europe - borasport20
it's a pleasure to be of help - 'pass it forward' ?

I notice you mentioned the camping option - it is 10+ yrs since I did that, and my experiences were very mixed - I can remember two good campsites, but I can remember more that were noisy, overpriced and crowded, including one where people left the site to the sound of gunshots in the middle of the night......


Advice on driving across Europe - Altea Ego
people left the site to the sound of gunshots in the middle of the night......


That would be Bastogne, about 1944? You have aged well BoraS.
Advice on driving across Europe - smokie
A few thoughts - sorry if covered above already.

Dover has a castle and a museum, both of which are OK but not what I really want when I'm going away...all due respects to Dover, it's a bit run down in places...

Speedferries at the moment have just one boat (while writing this I recveived an email saying they are increasing their tonnage for the summer). So if you miss it, it's a bit of a wait until it's been there and back again. And they are predicting being fairly full over the next few months, which doesn't surprise me given their pricing and BOGOF offers, so you may not easliy be slotted onto the next one anyway.... I am off to Spa this weekend and would have used them, but they are not running (maintenance I think)

I personally dislike the Tunnel, based on 1 bad experience where I checked in on time but was "bounced" by late arrivals for earlier trains. Not impressed. But then - I also enjoy being on the sea...

Speedferries check in time is really fast, and they only ask you to be there about 30 mins before. Boat is a bit basic but the crossing is dead quick.

Check before departure if there are problems with the ferries, and especially freight, as when the ferries go offline for a while the police use the M20 as a car park for lorries and it would be closed. Might not be your route anyway...

Your first leg is easiest on the M'way, right under Calais, past Dunkerque, Ostend, Brugges, through Ghent to Antwerp. Goodf acclimatisation period...but if you check the map there is also an N road from Boulogne which takes you via St Omer to join m'way at Ghent. I used this recently and, despite the snow, it was pretty quick, mostly.

It would be hard to do but make sure you don't miss the cathedral in Cologne.

Nurburgring - if you are going to go, make sure it is open! I haven't yet done it (but I will next week all being well!), but it isn't always all open. Check the official website for opening times tinyurl.com/6d74y

I've been warned to keep out of the way of people "going for it" round the Ring as not everyone's driving ability matches their confidence. You could have used the Ring taxi, possibly piloted by Sabine (of TV fame) but this is booked some months ahead.

Wouldn't bother with the tent - Etap would be my minimum std accorhotel mentioned above (Formula 1 don't have en suite), but they tend to be out of town (driving distance), and very handy (and easy to find) for major routes. I don't usually book their breakfasts, preferring to find something "local".

The Munich beer place mentioned above is well worth a visit.

For peace of mind get a Green Card (not compulsory though). Also check the legal requirements for equipment for each country, and breakdown insurance is also an option.

Most of all, enjoy the drive - I adore driving on the continetnt...
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
I've driven the original Nurburgring (More accurate name Nordschleif, or "North Loop") on two separate occasions (holidays), and throughly recommend it.

Once in a MKII Golf GTi and the other, of all things, in the roly poly Sierra DOHC 2.0 GL that was my father's company car at the time. (Thanks, BT!) Even in these relatively mundane cars, and at the time with me having Class One kart raced for something like eight years, the fun, and concentration to drive quickly, were immense.

Controlling the car somewhere just on the sensible side of the limit was the easy part. Doing so whilst trying to establish which way the track went after the next blind hump, with a rash of Porkers and Brabus Mercs crawling all over your bum(per!), a superbike or two in your blind spot, a 30MPH Eurolines coach (yes, really) hoving in to view right in the middle of the track, and a thought somewhere at the back of your mind that you're a long way from home if it all goes Pete Tong, was not so easy. The big brown pants moment though was almost complete brake fade three quarters of the way round my final lap in the Sierra. The pedal went straight to the floor, having worked perfectly for the corner before, and use of gears, some sideways drift, the full width of the track, plus rumble strips and a short stretch of grass, was my only salvation...

Time to stop, but after several sessions of five laps each, I was bushed anyway.

Would I do it again?
Stoopid question!
Where are the keys?

If the track's open to the public on the day(s) you're there, don't miss the opportunity. The museum is good, too.
Advice on driving across Europe - smokie
Apparently the costs if you get it wrong on the Nordschleif are horrendous. Every piece of damage has to be paid for in full, at "not cheap" rates and IIRC it has to be closed while they mop you up, so you also pay for loss of revenue too.

Won't stop me though :-)

The taxi option is hereabouts tinyurl.com/4dm5j (I'm sure there was an English button the other day...). It's been featured many times on TV (Clarkson & others). It's probably the one to be on, but they are already booking for July...
Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
Your first leg is easiest on the M'way, right under Calais,
past Dunkerque, Ostend, Brugges, through Ghent to Antwerp. Goodf acclimatisation period...but
if you check the map there is also an N road
from Boulogne which takes you via St Omer to join m'way
at Ghent. I used this recently and, despite the snow, it
was pretty quick, mostly.


Actually, we have our eye on a first stop hotel which is just outside St Omer, so that second route may be the one we use.
It would be hard to do but make sure you don't
miss the cathedral in Cologne.

SWMBO has planned this part of the trip, but I believe that's one of the reasons why Cologne.
Nurburgring - if you are going to go, make sure it
is open! I haven't yet done it (but I will next
week all being well!), but it isn't always all open. Check
the official website for opening times tinyurl.com/6d74y
I've been warned to keep out of the way of people
"going for it" round the Ring as not everyone's driving ability
matches their confidence. You could have used the Ring taxi, possibly
piloted by Sabine (of TV fame) but this is booked some
months ahead.

Hmm... Feeling less confident about the 'Ring myself now... We'll see.
Advice on driving across Europe - borasport20
people left the site to the sound of gunshots in the
middle of the night......
That would be Bastogne, about 1944? You have aged well BoraS.


Titisee, 1990 (if it gets through the swear filter)

Though the campsite boss, shaven headed with a junkers moustache, wouldn't have looked out of place in a 1914 Cavalry regiment


Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
it's a pleasure to be of help - 'pass it forward'
?
I notice you mentioned the camping option ...


To be honest, now I know we'll have this brochure to hand, I think we can knock the camping idea right on the head.

I have also just arranged European motor insurance (£31.50) and European breakdown cover (£107.10 but that includes a years Uk breakdown cover too) through my insurer Privilege.
It's all starting to come together nicely :)
Advice on driving across Europe - Xileno {P}
And remember your E111.
Advice on driving across Europe - borasport20
And remember your E111.

Which is being phased out by the end of the the year and being replaced by the EHIC - European Health Inmsurance Card
Advice on driving across Europe - PR {P}
And beware last years E111 is no longer valid for some unknown reason. You have to get another one for this year, and there is a box to tick if you are not moving house in the next 12 months, and then they'll send you automatically a new EHIC card
Advice on driving across Europe - smokie
" You have to get another one for this year" whoch you can print from tinyurl.com/3xlyz but it still needs to go to a Post Office to be stamped.
Advice on driving across Europe - barchettaman
Two little things Bazzabear. The German autobahns are unlit, which can be a little disarming - I find dimming the interior lights on the speedo etc. at night makes a massive difference as it helps the eyes to adjust, if you have a dimmer switch. Secondly be careful if you hit roadworks on the German network. The lane closest to the central reservation will be narrow - normally 2meters - which is not very much in a van, as I nearly found to my cost a couple of years ago. Plus, learn a bit of German if you don´t have any already. Locals love it.
Advice on driving across Europe - Orson {P}
If you've not already actually made the booking with Speedferries, hurry up! I had an email from them yesterday saying that they were very nearly fully booked for the whole of July and August. If you're not a good sailor, it's worth pointing out that you really shouldn't attempt Speedferries if the sea is anything other than flat. It gets very bumpy, and lots of people start throwing up. I've had 2 bad experiences with them, but support the idea of them, and will probably give them one last chance (especially given that I have a free crossing!)

The L'Escalle hotel at the village of Escalles just up the coast is comfortable, cheap and has a good restaurant.

Keep your eyes in your rear view mirror on the autobahn for people doing 700mph and hoping you'll move over in time. I think the most "exciting" moment I had was doing about 130 and having a Porsche go past me like I was standing still.

O
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Jaguar XJS V12 - comes with free personalised oil tanker.
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
Aforementioned e-mail...

Dear frequent traveller,

SpeedFerries wants to inform its customers that although capacity has recently been increased on all summer departures a large number of sailings are now close to being sold out.

Today we can predict that Dover-Boulogne will be completely sold out during August, and chances are, that also July will be ending with a 100 percent capacity usage. The same will be the case for weekends and bank holidays during all months.

SpeedFerries apologize for this inconvenience; we are in the process of acquiring additional tonnage.

However, if you are planning on travelling with SpeedFerries this year please book your ticket as soon as possible to ensure availability.

Also, there are still a few days left with the 2 for 1 offer, which makes it even more ideal to reserve now. All special offers will end this month.

Sincerely yours,

Curt Stavis
Chief Executive Officer
Advice on driving across Europe - Altea Ego
"it's worth pointing out that you really shouldn't attempt Speedferries if the sea is anything other than flat. It gets very bumpy, and lots of people start throwing up."

Doh! I have done more than my fair share on high speed cats, including the days when they were so small they only took about 30 cars! I would far sooner ride the rough weather in a high speed cat (where its rough, bumpy and judders a lot- basically it bounces from wave crest to wave crest) than in a big slow old ferry where it rolls eeeevvvvverr soooooooo sloooowly with that looooooooong stomach churn at the top of the loop. and the big stomach sink at the bottom.
I remember one trip where I had three pints of lager on the go at once. One in the middle of the bar, one on the left and one on the right. Either I moved to one, or they slid to meet me. Either way there was always one nearby.

Funny - the bar was quite empty that trip.
Advice on driving across Europe - Malcolm_L
Deutsches museum is well worth a visit if you like things technical, very good working displays.
Incredibly varied range of exhibits, I spent 10 hours there and didn't cover the ground floor.

Worth coming off the motorway and detouring south of Munich towards Bad Tolz and Tegernsee, picture postcard scenery and an absolute delight to drive - you can then get into Austria via the Achenpass which leads you to the Salzburg/Innsbruck motorway.

IIRC, you need a motorway pass in Austria.
Advice on driving across Europe - Truckosaurus
Thanks for the E111 link guys, filling it out as we speak, just need to renew my travel insurance for this year now.
Advice on driving across Europe - SjB {P}
IIRC, you need a motorway pass in Austria.


Correct. Several durations available.

Can be purchased at petrol stations, including in Germany leading up to the border with Austria.
Advice on driving across Europe - BazzaBear {P}
If you've not already actually made the booking with Speedferries, hurry
up!


Message received and understood. I am now booking it. Cheers for the heads up.