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More Cuts - midlifecrisis
As a Police Officer in the Worcestershire area thought I'd let you know what's happening in the Redditch/Kidderminster area. Those that wield power have cut the number of traffic/fast response cars to cover this massive rural area to.....two, both ARVs. This is on the basis that they can run four Corsas for the cost of one Omega/Vectra.
The place to be to commit car crime.
More Cuts - The Bear
Dont you mean first response not fast response. Strange logic I know, but 5000 a year die on our roads, compared with many less murders. In addition most criminal activity involves the use of Transport, yet, the primary objectives of preservation of life and detection of crime are being allowed to spiral unchecked.
More Cuts - Roger Jones
Too many people die on the roads, for sure, but I think the total UK figure is nearer 3500 than 5000 . . . ah yes:

"3,508 people were killed on Britain?s roads in 2003, 2 per cent more than in 2002. The number of people seriously injured fell to 33,707, 6 per cent lower than in 2002. Total casualties in 2003 were 290,607, 4 percent fewer than in 2002"

from

tinyurl.com/6ukla

I'm beginning to wonder whether the policy people are now operating on the assumption that traditional traffic policing is simply impracticable because of the sheer volume involved. I'd love to see traffic-patrol cars more often, but I'm not the slightest bit optimistic.
More Cuts - livefortheday
My son is 19 and lives in between Hereford and Hay-on-Wye on the Welsh borders.

Apparently, the local youngsters wait till 2 in the morning when they know all the coppers have knocked off and do there own street race with two local town high streets being the start and end of "the course".

I have told the Police this, but no action has ever been taken. What worries me is that the time all this is going on is the time when they (the offenders) are most tired and most likely to have had drink or drugs.

Having lived in that area for a few years, it is a weird fact that locals factor into their driving the local nutter drunk and on way back from the lock-in scenario in a way that does not happen in a better policed area like London.


More Cuts - livefortheday
Another safety anomoly peculiar to country areas is the low insurance rate they enjoy.

They don't have less accidents, it is just that the cars and people are worth less and when they hit something it is normally a tree or hedge and therefore no claim is reported or costs money. Also their cars are less likely to be insured fully comp.

There was a programme on TV the other week that bought up this issue.
More Cuts - BazzaBear {P}
Maybe not less likely to have an accident, but I think the insurance loading for post-code has much more to do with likelihood of theft than likelihood of crashing.
More Cuts - livefortheday
It would be a factor granted.

Again country folk tend to have lower valued cars and therefore less of a financial risk to the insurer.

Before I get shot down here, I do appreciate that there are some lovely expensive cars in the country, I am talking about the overall profile.
More Cuts - Ex-Moderator
Actually related to the fact that there are less people to hit and typically even the available targets tend to be in lower speed areas.

M.

p.s. I did mean "people" not "cars".
More Cuts - Bill Payer
Funnily enough there's an article on ITV teletext today that says two thirds of road casualty's killed are on rural roads.
More Cuts - Bill Payer
Here you go - basically the same article, although dated last Oct.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3718830.stm

I live in rural Cheshire, and it's a battlefield!!
More Cuts - Ex-Moderator
that sounds unlikely. Or were they taking about badgers ?
More Cuts - Ex-Moderator
ah, spotted the flaw.

So x% of londoners think that its sfer and then have accidents. Does this mean that y% of country folk realise the dangers ? If so, then the appropriate action would be to rate town drivers higher.
More Cuts - Bill Payer
ah, spotted the flaw.
So x% of londoners think that its sfer and then have
accidents. Does this mean that y% of country folk realise the
dangers ? If so, then the appropriate action would be to
rate town drivers higher.

4 out of 10 thinking it's safer is an opinion.
The 63% killed is a fact (apparently).
More Cuts - Ex-Moderator
>>The 63% killed is a fact

killed by locals or people from towns ?

If they were killed by people from towns then as far as an insurer is concerned its still the town-based driver who is the risk and the possessor of the insurance which should be loaded.
More Cuts - Bill Payer
The head-on crash, especially against a truck, or a doddery old farmer in a doddery old Land Rover (half a turn of the steering wheel before anything happens) is far too common.
Even if the trucks doing 40ish (legal max speed is 40) and the car is doing the same, then it's like hitting a solid object at around 90MPH. The car occupants die.

My wife goes everywhere 'just nipping through the lanes' - it scares the life out of me. They're also the route that all the tanked up drinkers use at night.
More Cuts - madux
Those that wield
power have cut the number of traffic/fast response cars to cover
this massive rural area to.....two, both ARVs. This is on the
basis that they can run four Corsas for the cost of
one Omega/Vectra.
The place to be to commit car crime.


They must have watched Heartbeat!
(And followed the plot, instead of trying to work out how old the Zephyr was - see Heartbeat thread)
More Cuts - The Bear
Does that mean three Constables can replace one Senior Officer
More Cuts - Altea Ego
Still, console yourself with the fact that the cars that will turn up are equiped with shooters. Late but armed.
More Cuts - Adam {P}
As it should be with every cop.
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Adam
More Cuts - Altea Ego
You been watching too many sherif John wotsisface.
More Cuts - Adam {P}
No I haven't. Although we could do with a Sheriff's Department and Highway patrol. They'd need assault rifles and shotguns too.

Obviously.
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Adam
More Cuts - BazzaBear {P}
This article seems to be mixing up two seperate statistics.

"63% of road deaths happen on rural roads"
does not necessarily mean that:
"But four out of 10 men and 24% of women think fewer accidents happen on rural road"
these people are incorrect.

Surely the reason why road deaths happen on rural roads is that the speeds are higher there? I'd still guess you're more likely to crash in an urban environment, but since you're theoretically doing 30mph or less, you're much less likely to die.

Personally I don't drive on ANY road depending on my percentage estimate of how likely crashes are to occur there, I drive according to my 'here and now' judgement of the road conditions, the hazards at that time, the traffic and things around me.
Statistics are meaningless in one-off situations.
More Cuts - Altea Ego
Ok I live in a surrey town. you want an American model?

Lets have
1/ Surrey town sheriff
2/ Surrey county police (read state troopers)
3/ The national police (read FBI)
4/ The Motorway patrol (read Highway patrol)
5/ Customs excise and inland revenue service (read ATF)
6/ Imigration authority
7/ Thames River police (read US coastguard service)

All armed, all with juristriction over my front yard.

Oh and the Head of Surrey county council has the authority to call out the Army reserves if he feels like it.

NOT


We should have a NATIONAL police force and a NATIONAL traffpol.

Thats all you need.


More Cuts - midlifecrisis
Fortunately, I'm still driving the 'big cars'. Chasing a ram raider in his Iprezza with a Corsa should be interesting. And very comforting to know that the only other car with a stinger is sixty miles away!!
More Cuts - Adam {P}
Probably shouldnt' be telling us this MLC lest we all decide to nick cars in Redditch!
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Adam
More Cuts - midlifecrisis
We all feel so bitter about what is happening that 'there's rebellion in them there ranks'!!!!!
More Cuts - ihpj
Fortunately, I'm still driving the 'big cars'. Chasing a ram raider
in his Iprezza with a Corsa should be interesting.


Interesting indeed since I doubt a Corsa could be classed as a vehcile suitable for pursuits, as per the ACPO definition - thus rendering any 'chase' illegal since neither the driver or the car would be deemed suitable.

You wouldn't need an Imprezza to 'get away from the Police' since the Corsa wouldn't be allowed to pursue - I know about ACPO policy on 'safe follows' etc. and they've recently tightened things up - so much so that all IRV drivers in Thames Valley Police are now pursuit authorised (or the ones trained from January 2004 onwards).

MLC please don't think that I am splitting hairs here, you and I are of the same ilk and let there be rebellion I say! :)
More Cuts - Tim Allcott
I'm intrigued. Don't chief constables talk to each other? Humberside withdrew pursuit vehicles a couple of years ago, and have now reintroduced them... so: how long before Hereford & Worcester see the error of their ways?
Tim{P}
More Cuts - madf
"Don't chief constables talk to each other"

1. According to Humberside's CP he can't say anything useful due to the Data Protection Act!
2. I'm sure they talk about football (games not hooligans).
3. The Association of Chief Police Officers ACPO must have some reason for existence: like justfiying why crime clear up rates are so poor.

In any other line of business, they'd all be fired as 25% clear up rates = 75% failure rates. Most businesses accept a 50% success rate as a minimum standard for anything.

As far as talking about pursuit vehicles , each CP has a different policy.Cheshire has a helicopter, etc. Co-ordination? What's that?

madf


More Cuts - quizman
You should have seen the motorbikes racing past my farm over the Easter weekend, on a country road. It was like watching a motorcycle grand prix. These are the causes of accidents in the country, and the fact that there are no cameras, and the fact that many country motorists are really townies.

What is all this about doddery old farmers/Landrovers, most of my pals have got Mercs and Beemers!
More Cuts - RickyBoy
"This is on the basis that they can run four Corsas"

Heh ? we (group of 4 early-morning 'Platers') got pulled by an unmarked Corsa the other week. It was carrying 3 x fairly sizeable Plod and they sent the rookie female in to chastise us for not having visible 'rears'!

AOFA... it's been a long old while since I last visited this Board. Good to see that it's still going strong!

I took an (I'm only 54!) early retirement package from my company at the end of last year and was planning on having a 'GAP' year to do all of those things that we promise ourselves we're gonna do one day. Bear with me ? it's 'motoring related' eventually!

So, to cut a long story short... I find myself doing some early morning moving of brand new unregistered Mercs from compound to HQ. Usually no more than 3 hours work and offfers me the opportunity to sit behind the wheels of some rather luxurious metal. On the ridiculous side it can be a Smart 'Bubble' but on the sublime side it has included 'moving' a number of CLS 55 AMGs! That silver one that Clarkson reviewed in the Times Motoring Section the other Sunday ? I got to drive that before him ? heh!

Just one final question... if Ecclestone is the richest man in Formula 1 why does he persevere with roadside parking? Can't he afford a garage or six.

Best...

More Cuts - malcolmg
midlifecrisis, I cannot say too much given my password. I get paid by West Mercia but on the 1st of every month. Performance indicators are the new bible,together with cameras. There are a lot of good Officers out there but the senior Management team have a different agenda. Very similar to the Govt.All spin, very little common sense judgement.
More Cuts - ihpj
There are a
lot of good Officers out there but the senior Management team
have a different agenda.


Amen Brother. It's the 'few' that by keeping the faith keep the whole system ticking over. Wherever you are, we are always limited by the bean counters, bureaucrats or politicians. The will is lacking and it's far easier to pass the proverbial buck.

But when (note not IF) things go wrong, guess whose holding the can? Right and where are the 'SMT'? Watching from afar seeing which side the axe will fall. Shame really, but this has to be one of the few (if only jobs) that seems to reward incompetance and encourages a lack of association amongst its fellows.