Where abouts are you? If you are near Gt Missingden in bucks, then give Louis Barbour a ring (no link). He is a citroen specailist and very well regarded, he may be able to help.
Rignall Garage
Rignall Road
Great Missenden
Bucks
HP16 9AW
01494 864112
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Odd that all 4 injectors have now been replaced, since there is only 1 lift sensor, and it's integral with No 3 injector....
Sounds to me like a bad connection somewhere that is causing the ECU to lose the signal from the lift sensor, and put the engine into the default position - max ignition advance, hence it sounding like a bag of spanners.
The DW8 engine is basically the old XUD with a couple of sensors and an ECU controlling the amount of advance the pump gets (previously mechanically controlled within the pump). There have been a few instances of the system going haywire, but it seems generally reliable, given how many have been built! I wonder if this is the reason, though, that the previous owner got rid...?
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RichardW
Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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Well, the lift sensor is on No 4 Injector (Or is it No 1?). Anyway, it's on the injector at the gearbox end of the engine..
From what I can gather signals are sent from the "Lift sensor" and the "Engine speed sensor" back to the ECU which then adjusts an actuator on the injector pump accordingly. Is my understanding correct or are there other sensors/actuators involved in the process?
Is it possible that the actuator on the injection pump could be sticking? Does the "Throttle position sensor" (Or any other sensor come to that) play any part in the ignition timing?
(You are right about it sounding like a "bag of spanners", by the way!)
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Have a look on this thread where someone was having trouble with a Synergie:
www.andyspares.com/discussionforum/topic.asp?TOPIC...5
Not exactly the same engine, but gives some good background on the system. There is probably a TPS, but as it gives 'lift sensor' as the error code, this suggest the fault lies with a cable connection. Or the ECU.... You could try taking it to a Cit dealer (I know!) and getting them to upload the latest version of software - I know of another Berlingo that was fixed by this.
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RichardW
Is it illogical? It must be Citroen....
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So is it quite likely that the engine "wobble" around 2000 rpm is unconnected?
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The DW8 engine is basically the old XUD with a couple of sensors and an ECU controlling the amount of advance the pump gets (previously mechanically controlled within the pump).
Ahh, answer to the Q I was about to post as I'm on verge of purchasing a 1.9 Berlingo myself. Is this the 1868cc unit presently offered in the Berlingo and Pug Partner?. As I read the reply its got a hybrid electric/mechanical injection system.
Any other key differences from the 1905/1769cc versions of the XUD?.
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I'm not sure. Mine is the 1868cc version with the DW8 engine (ie the Non-HDI version)
From what I can gather it's basically a refined version of the XUD with a few electronic bits added.
For what it's worth I'd still recommend getting one, despite the problems I am encountering.
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Hello to everyone.
I have just joined this forum ( BIG HELLO )
Ok I have just bought the berlingo Multispace with the 1868cc engine in it. 03 plate.
I did notice that the rocker top looks like it has been altered from what I remember of the XUD engine.
Can I ask a few questions here.
Is the heads the same ?
Same starters ?
alternators etc ?
I am asking this as I have bought this to use as a Taxi.
I do have a Berlingo van P reg , I got the newer one as this handled loads & loads of miles with no trouble and quite easy for bits and to
work on, I thought the new one would just be the same.
I honestly never heard of the DW8 engine until reading this forum.
To wrap this up in a nutshell will my old van be able to donate parts to my newer Multispace ?
I know body panels are not the same but was hoping I could use the Box, Head, starter, alternator, injectors ...etc if I ever needed to do so,
if I was stuck in an emergency repair.
Regards Steve
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Is this thread still alive ?
I would like to know if the Old berlingo will be a good "donar" vehicle.
or is it best to simply part with it ?
maybe this post is to old and no 1 looks at it anymore !
can anyone tell me if the newer 1.9 berlingo engine anything like the XUD one.
Regards
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Just flicking through some parts books, and the head gaskets are different, so would guess the heads are different, the glow plugs are different and the clutches have different part numbers as well. Probably better to part with it, in my opinion.
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Hi
I' m thinking of buying the Berlingo Multispace for Use as A taxi In the Glasgow area
was wondering if you could let me know what kind of Fuel economy you are currently getting ?
also how do you find the Multispace as a Taxi room inside for the Pasengers etc
Thanks for any Info
Regards
Ian.H
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Ian, my '03 Multispace HDi has done 44K miles with no mechanical problems. I ran two previous Multispaces with the non-turbo motor and they did 42K and 49K respectively without trouble. All ran on Millers' full synthetic oil from new.
I found the original Michelin tyres very hard and noisy so have nothing but praise for the Vredestein Quatracs which replaced them: half the noise, better on wet roads etc. The Multispace is definitely a van dressed up as a car so it's somewhat basic. The sliding doors need watching and your passengers will find them a bit fiddly. Applying silicone spray regularly to the runners etc. definitely helps.
For your job, I'd get the Citroen roof rack, too. Very solid, means you can take an immense amount of stuff both on top and inside. Fitting a tow bar adds essential protection to the rear bodywork. Lost count of the people who have bumped me in car parks, discovered their fronts dinged, and my tow bar-protected back end untouched!
Once run-in, say by 15K miles, there's bags of torque for overtaking and it purrs along at 75-80 on motorways. Have averaged 43-46mpg overall. Only failure with the running gear has been one track rod end, replaced at 37K service.
Having once run a Renault R4 and a Citroen 2CV, the Multispace is the grown-up version of those two..a superb vehicle overall and unbeatable for the money.
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Hi
Thanks for the Info.
Had a lok at one in the Showroom the other day and the Rear doors did stick a bit when open and closing them
good Tip about the Silicone Spray..
Considered a Pucasso but Im sure it will be a Multispace I will go for.
Thanks again
Ian.H
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Hello.
Well I have ran one of these as a Taxi since I began this reply.
the rear door seems to be a problem with the more "drunk community"
they cant get the jist of having to push the button on the handle to close the door....lol.
When you say "Push the button" they look everywhere apart from the right place.
Overhead storage is nice to hide radio, servalance unit and extra 12v supply.
The vehicle is good for the job in a GREAT many ways, seating high up for the elderly
easy access for the "pink fluffy dice", overall good pink fluffy dice
I did have a problem ( well maybe )
I was driving it home and it developed a deisel knock or something similar to that.
It knocked as if the timing was out ,then I turned it off and started it again it was OK.
It was either injector going off or air or (well I dont know)...hehehehehe
It ran OK the next trip..and has done since, but now I am worried
Is this a fault ? what could it be ?
Under 49 thousand miles upto today......any ideas
I am worried as it is a working car.
Regards Steve
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I use the DW8 Berlingo as a Taxi done 176,000 with it but a lot of the parts a different to the XUD engine eg:starter motor not the same brake discs not the same etc...
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