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Ok so they improve the engine, and it gets fitted in 18 months time, where does that leave you?
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How new is the engine? It can take a few thousand miles for it to bed in. Also we are on winter diesel at the moment which can lead to slightly higher fuel consumption due to additives to stop the fuel waxing in cold temperatures.
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My winter diesel consumption is well down on my Audi A3. I'm around 5-6mpg below my usual 44-48mpg. I drive hard, and probably harder than most, so I'm not too unhappy with that overall though it's a shame to be below 40mpg sometimes. All high performance diesels will take 9000+ miles to give their best consumption though yours sounds very low.
What's your driving style like? Lower revs are the order of the day with the diesel, and I find to get the best economy keeping the revs under 2250 is the way to go.
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Chris
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Their literature states: 37.7 mpg urban; 58.9 mpg extra urban; 48.7 mpg combined.
Remember, those figures that Honda (or any other manufacturer come to that) are quoted optimum values most probably done under lab conditions.
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I would certainly be writing to Honda if I was only getting 36mpg after the first few 000 miles, also while it is claimed that winter diesel can be a factor I have never noticed a great difference, my Mondeo is averaging 46-47 lately driven quite enthusiastically, only one 250 mile motorway round trip in the last two months.
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On a recent journey to Lincoln my fuel consumption was no better than my V6 Omega. You think that's reasonable?
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Their literature states: 37.7 mpg urban; 58.9 mpg extra urban; 48.7 mpg combined. Remember, those figures that Honda (or any other manufacturer come to that) are quoted optimum values most probably done under lab conditions.
I run 2 cars - a Ford and a Citroen. Both give me roughly the quoted "combined" mpg, if not marginally more. If my cars can do that in the real world, why can't Honda Accords?
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Robbie
I'm averaging 30mpg in my Subaru Outback 2.5 SE ! Petrol, all-wheel drive, fully loaded - should drink like a fish but thankfully it's just about alright.
This tallies fairly accurately with what Subaru state in their literature.
Sounds like you defintely have bought a pup ........ surely you should be getting at least 40-45mpg from this sort of modern diesel .....
jdc
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I can't read this thread without remembering those smug ads for the Honda diesel.
Wonderful hubris ...
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<< On a recent journey to Lincoln my fuel consumption was no better than my V6 Omega. You think that's reasonable?
A fuel consumption calculation based on a single journey is not valid, even for that journey. For a start, you just can't measure accurately enough the amount of fuel consumed. To get a reasonably valid average you need to use a time period of, say, a month minimum. That way (provided that the tank is reasonably full at the start and end of the calculation period) any inaccuracy in the measurement of the amount of fuel consumed will be relatively small.
I record the amount of fuel I buy and the odometer reading every time I fill up, and then I calculate the fuel consumption monthly. It's interesting to see how the fuel consumption varies with the car's total mileage, and how it varies with the season of the year. The easiest way to see this is to plot graphs.
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I check my fuel consumption every time I fill up. I use the same pump at my local Tesco, and fill up as far as the pump will allow. When it cuts out I leave it a while and then top up. I do this a second time and then regard the tank as full. The consumption varies between 38 and 36 mpg. Yesterday, I filled up, even though the tank registered slightly over half full, as I had used the car on long runs. I had covered 273 miles and it took 33.67 litres to fill the tank. That equates to 36.842 mpg. Not at all good in my book. My previous car, an Omega V6, and not regarded as particularly frugal, did as well as this on long journeys.
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I filled mine up today and it worked out at 36.67mpg combimed. There must be something wrong if this is all one can achieve
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simple - you think there must be something wrong, then take it back to the supplying dealer and tell them. they may find what is wrong with your particular car or they may tell you that "all honda diesels do this".
if the former, problem solved.
if the latter, write to honda. ask for your money back or wahtever it is that you want in compensation for allegedly being misled in to buying a car which is costing you £xxxx extra in running costs. (have you worked out how much this extra amounts to on a weelky/monthly/annual basis for the miles you travel ? how much does that come to ? please tell us so we can judge how much extra it is actually costing you. )
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(have you worked out how much this extra amounts to on a weelky/monthly/annual basis for the miles you travel ? how much does that come to ?
Where have I mentioned it is costing me "extra pounds" in running costs?
It's quite simple really: Honda quote figures that, to me, appear to be unattainable. Should they be allowed to get away with this?
Any other Accord iCTDi owners out there who can agree some form of action plan?
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Robbie, I can see why you are disappointed but you must remember that the consumption figures are prepared under strict EU guidelines and are independent. The company is not allowed to use any other figures to demonstrate how economical the car is, but equally cannot guarantee any particular level of economy as people drive in completely different ways. The cars will also be partly designed to produce the best mpg figures for the EU test and this is not necessarily the best for everyday use.
I get about 21mpg from my Subaru. Yes I am disappointed, but then the regular urban runs I do mean I rarely get about 50mph for more than a few seconds. I am more often in traffic jams.
I would suggest that you complain to the supplying dealer (they are the ones you have a contract with - NOT Honda UK). If you car has done over 10,000 miles then ask the dealer for a demonstrator or other spare identical car to yours for a week or so and see if you can replicate your consumption or not. If you do replicate, then it's your driving i'm afraid; if you can't and you are clearly doing 10pmg better then ask for a replacement engine.
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Where have I mentioned it is costing me "extra pounds" in running costs? It's quite simple really: Honda quote figures that, to me, appear to be unattainable. Should they be allowed to get away with this? Any other Accord iCTDi owners out there who can agree some form of action plan?
sorry, if i misunderstood. you asked in your first post "any comments" and i gave you my comments.
as renault family said in his first reply, "And what action do you want?"
you now make it clear are not bothered about the costs.
you are bothered only about the alleged misadvertising.
you are "inclined" to write to honda. you want to know if others will do the same. and you want any comments. in the meantime, you are convinced that on the basis of your sole experience, honda are quoting unattainable figures.
in which case, you have to prove your case based on your one solitary example. the relevant bodies are those that certify the process for measuring offical fuel consumption figures, the advertising standards authority, etc.
good luck.
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Robbie,
After comments on this forum I have stopped using supermarket fuel and converted to BP- with significant improvement in MPG.
Using Sainsburys never got more than 41 mpg out of the Mondeo. With BP is not below 43- and maximum has been 47.
Will use Ultimate- but only every 3rd / 4th tankful.
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Robbie: if you always use the same pump at the same Tesco then to disciunt crap fuel or even pump errors (most unlikley) then you really ought to buy a couple of tankfull's elsewhere.
Fuel consumption isn't measured in the government tests, it's done by calcuation from emissions - so presumeably your cars emissions would be way too high. Don't know if this can be tested??
FleetNewsNet's Accord on long term test is apparently doing 48MPG so it is possible.
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Sorry if this sounds daft, but have you checked your tyre pressures? If they are all down a bit, this can badly effect consumption.
If they are ok and you get no joy from your dealer, you could always give them it for a week and see what consumption figures they can attain?
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Not intended to teach grandmothers to suck egg etc, but have the dealer check out the runnng gear, e.g. brakes, handbrake, routine stuff to eliminate simple things first?
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Sound like there is something wrong, mine is back up to 50mpg after its aberation when Honda were driving it.
Are you on the 17" wheels (wider tyres) or the standard 16s?
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Basically, I would be dissapointed. My fathers 1.8 toyota camry from 1984 with 275000 miles averages 40-45 mpg regardless of driving in town or not. This is an old car with heavy body and is poor for todays standard.
When our carina 2.0 petrol was averaging 30-35 mpg, the cost increase was very noticable and we converted to LPG. If a 2.00 petrol does 30 mpg in town traffic (london for example) then the accord should be doing at least 40 mpg.
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Not intended to teach grandmothers to suck egg etc, but have the dealer check out the runnng gear, e.g. brakes, handbrake, routine stuff to eliminate simple things first?
The tyre pressures are spot on. It has just had its first service by the Honda dealer and everything is perfect - according to them. I told them about the fuel consumption and they indicated that there is nothing wrong with the car.
The wheels are the standard 16" as supplied.
I used a variety of diesel when in France - mainly Shell - but also Total and Esso with no improvement.
Where are all the posters who complained on another thread about the poor fuel consumption of their Accords?
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I'm still here - My Accord is coming up to 11k so I'll be booking the first service soon.
I'll mention the fuel consumption (which is about the same as yours) at that time.
If I don't get any satisfaction I'll take the matter further, I had a demonstrator for a week from Honda UK which returned well over 40mpg so I was well and truly misled.
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I'm still here - My Accord is coming up to 11k so I'll be booking the first service soon. I'll mention the fuel consumption (which is about the same as yours) at that time. If I don't get any satisfaction I'll take the matter further, I had a demonstrator for a week from Honda UK which returned well over 40mpg so I was well and truly misled.
I'll be interested to see what your dealer says.
Although I like my Accord I'm miffed at the poor consumption. Beginning to think I should have hung on for the Vectra estate with the 150bhp 1.9i JTD engine. And the dealer is only four miles away instead of nearly twenty for the Honda.
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I'm still here Robbie
I am getting the same sort of poor consumption figures as you have - approx 36mpg with my Accord Tourer.
I complained to my Honda dealer who then contacted Honda technical for their guidance. They requested that my car could be brought in for 2 days for the problem to be fixed & at the same time I got them to carry out the 12 month service. I was told that the fix was to reprogram the ECU - I don't know whether this is a standard or a modified version of the software.
Immediately after I filled the car brim full and after 120 miles (60 of which were motorway), refilled and got a consumption figure of 39.47mpg - an apparent small improvement.
After this last fill up I have been driving frugally to see if that makes any difference - but looking at the fuel gauge it looks no better than before.
If there is no improvement it is going back again.
This will be of interest to many I think...
When I was at the Honda dealer the service manager gave me a copy of Dealer Technical Support - Recommended Fuel Consumption Process.
Under the paragraph MPG Test - it states
The MPG result must be measured against the VCA "combined" figure. (VCA is Vehicle Certification Agency)
If the resulting figure falls outside the VCA "combined" figure by a 3-4 MPG margin then continue with the process below.
The process below has a number of checks to be done along with one of interest - Substitute a good known PCM - presumably this is Program Control Module or ECU.
Does that mean there are some bad ones out there ?
Therefore it seems that with average driving you should be getting 44-52 mpg (48 +/-4).
Anyone getting below this has cause for complaint.
Incidentally the service manager let slip that there have been a few complaints about the fuel consumption figures for the Honda CRV with the iCDTi engine !
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Jim G,
That's very helpful. I'll get back to the dealer and se what is happening. I'll keep you informed.
Thanks
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>> >> Any other Accord iCTDi owners out there who can agree some >> form of action plan? >> sorry, if i misunderstood. you asked in your first post "any comments" and i gave you my comments.
I see you have deleted the last sentence of my original post.
The penultimate sentence should give you a clue. Any other Accord iCTDi owners...........
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Robbie, as per the other thread, I have every sympathy with you. My Scenic is not getting anywhere near the quoted consumption figures. However, other posters on this forum have got that consumption.
I have had my dealer check it out and they did a full emissions test and found nothing wrong.
For every argument for supermarket fuel, there is a counter argument. And vice versa.
I don't know if I just have a rogue engine, or whether it is miraculously going to "loosen" up at the 10K mark.
I do not suggest leaving your car with the dealer for them to drive for a week. They could probably get it to deliver whatever consumption they wanted, if you know what I mean.
It probably won't happen but the only thing I could suggest "scientifically" is getting an exact copy of your car, either from the dealer or by hiring it, another driver, and then go on a lengthy journey convoy style and see how the mpg measured up at the end of the journey between the two cars.
Unless you have the time and patience to call into your dealer a couple of times a week and slowly break them down until they get to the stage they will give in to any of your demands, just to get rid of you!
Keep us posted how you get on.
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Why not ask the dealer to lend you a similar demo car for perhaps three days on the basis that either you will be able to prove that yours is less economical than it should be or they will prove that yours is normal. Then, even if the latter is the case, you still can argue that your car does not meet quoted figures.
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Just what I said above!!
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Very much doubt Honda will do anything..Manufacturers do not give any guarantee that you will get the specified fuel consumption.It is a guide only.and wont account for real world driving.It usually says so in the handbook.Or words to that effect?.
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On that basis they might as well say that the Accord will give 100 mpg. One of the biggest selling points with diesels is their improved fuel economy over petrol equivalents, if a diesel is not offering that then I suspect that many buyers won't consider it. I like diesels because of the performance aspects, but I wouldn't buy one that didn't also offer better fuel economy.
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Too many variables for anyone to specify an exact fuel economy.And has always been the case.Robbie is more than welcome to complain to Honda`s. but doubt anything will come of it?.I would be interested to find out what Honda have to say.If they reply..?
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First thing I would do is pop the air filter cover off and make sure the dealer actually changed it during the service.
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If the car has not reached 10k, surely not due a scheduled service yet, so what did they do?
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First thing I would do is pop the air filter cover off and make sure the dealer actually changed it during the service.
It is my car's first service and it was basically an oil and filter change. I don't think the air filter is changed until its third service.
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It is my car's first service and it was basically an oil and filter change. I don't think the air filter is changed until its third service.
If it were me, I'd still pop the cover off and make sure it's not clogged up.
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Just to confirm the service check sheet shows it changed every second service (every 25000). Mine had its second service just before Christmas with no noticable change.
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Just what I said above!! -- Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
I am pleased to be supporting your point! In addition I was trying to point out that he has nothing to lose.
"Then, even if the latter is the case, you still can argue that your car does not meet quoted figures".
Regards.
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<< That equates to 36.842 mpg.
36.85945946 mpg according to my calculator! ;-)
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