Hi,
Does anyone know the penalty should one be recorded running a red light at 58mph in a 40mph zone?
I have not committed the above offence, but know of someone who has. Please don't reply with comments suggesting the offender "deserves all they get / should be shot / locked up", as I know they have made an idiotic error.
I would be very grateful for comments from those who know where the law stands on the matter.
Thanks.
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You say you know someone who has. Have they got the NIP? If not, 58mph is a very specific speed if you see what I mean.
I don't know about the law to be honest. I thought that 15mph + over the limit was court but I'm not sure about that - nor am I sure that they can do you for speeding as well as jumping a light.
I do know however that the photo will have the speed recorded on it. Sorry this isn't helpful. Someone else will undoubtedly know more.
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Adam
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Need to know what he is being charged with. If he has the "you can plead guilty by post" bit then he is up for three points and 60-100 quid. Tell him to take it gladly.
Appearing in court, jumping a red light at 18 mph over the limit takes some explaining.
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The following is a guide to the number of penalty points a court may impose, it does not reflect the fact that some offences may incur a disqualification. These codes are recorded on licences from information supplied by the courts ? any queries about them should be addressed to the courts which imposed them.
Potential points in brackets.
Accident Offences
AC10 Failing to stop after an accident (5?10)
AC20 Failing to give particulars or to report an accident within 24 hours (5?10)
AC30 Undefined accident offences (4?9)
Disqualified Driver
BA10 Driving while disqualified by order of court (6)
BA30 Attempting to drive while disqualified by order of court (6)
Careless Driving
CD10 Driving without due care and attention (3?9)
CD20 Driving without reasonable consideration for other road users (3?9)
CD30 Driving without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other road users (3?9)
CD40 Causing death through careless driving when unfit through drink (3?11)
CD50 Causing death by careless driving when unfit through drugs (3?11)
CD60 Causing death by careless driving with alcohol level above the limit (3?11 )
CD70 Causing death by careless driving then failing to supply a specimen for alcohol analysis (3?11)
CD71 Causing death by careless driving then failing to supply a specimen for drug analysis (3?11)
Construction & Use Offences
CU10 Using a vehicle with defective brakes (3)
CU20 Causing or likely to cause danger by reason of use of unsuitable vehicle or using a vehicle with parts or accessories (excluding brakes, steering or tyres) in a dangerous condition (3)
CU30 Using a vehicle with defective tyre(s) (3)
CU40 Using a vehicle with defective steering (3)
CU50 Causing or likely to cause danger by reason of load or passengers (3)
Reckless/Dangerous Driving
DD40 Dangerous Driving. (3?11)
DD60 Manslaughter or culpable homicide while driving a vehicle (3?11)
DD80 Causing death by dangerous driving (3?11)
Drink or Drugs
DR10 Driving or attempting to drive with alcohol level above limit. (3?11)
DR20 Driving or attempting to drive while unfit through drink (3?11)
DR30 Driving or attempting to drive then failing to supply a specimen for alcohol analysis (3?11)
DR31 Driving or attempting to drive then failing to supply a specimen for drug analysis (3?11)
DR40 In charge of a vehicle while alcohol level above limit (10)
DR50 In charge of a vehicle while unfit through drink (10)
DR60 Failure to provide a specimen for alcohol analysis in circumstances other than driving or attempting to drive (10)
DR61 Failure to provide a specimen for drug analysis in circumstances other than driving or attempting to drive (10)
DR70 Failing to provide specimen for breath test. (4)
DR80 Driving or attempting to drive when unfit through drugs. (3?11)
DR90 In charge of a vehicle when unfit through drugs (10-16)
Insurance Offences
IN10 Using a vehicle uninsured against third party risks (6?8)
Licence Offences
LC20 Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence (3?6)
LC30 Driving after making a false declaration about fitness when applying for a licence. (3?6)
LC40 Driving a vehicle having failed to notify a disability (3?6)
LC50 Driving after a licence has been revoked or refused on medical grounds (3?6)
Miscellaneous Offences
MS10 Leaving a vehicle in a dangerous position (3)
MS20 Unlawful pillion riding (3)
MS30 Play street offences (2)
MS50 Motor racing on the highway (3?11)
MS60 Offences not covered by other codes as appropriate
MS70 Driving with uncorrected defective eyesight (3)
MS80 Refusing to submit to an eyesight test (3)
MS90 Failure to give information as to identity of driver etc. (3)
Motorway Offences
MW10 Contravention of Special Roads Regulations (excluding speed limits). (3)
Pedestrian Crossings
PC10 Undefined Contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations. (3)
PC20 Contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations with moving vehicle. (3)
PC30 Contravention of Pedestrian Crossing Regulations with stationary vehicle. (3)
Speed Limits
SP10 Exceeding goods vehicle speed limits .(3?6)
SP20 Exceeding speed limit for type of vehicle (excluding goods or passenger vehicles) (3?6)
SP30 Exceeding statutory speed limit on a public road. (3?6)
SP40 Exceeding passenger vehicle speed limit. (3?6)
SP50 Exceeding speed limit on a motorway. (3?6)
SP60 Undefined speed limit offence . (3?6)
Traffic Direction and Signs
TS10 Failing to comply with traffic light signals (3)
TS20 Failing to comply with double white lines (3)
TS30 Failing to comply with a ?Stop? sign. (3)
TS40 Failing to comply with direction of a constable/warden. (3)
TS50 Failing to comply with a traffic sign (excluding ?stop? signs, traffic lights or double white lines) (3)
TS60 Failing to comply with a school crossing patrol sign. (3)
TS70 Undefined failure to comply with a traffic direction sign.. (3)
Special Code
TT99 To signify a disqualification under ?totting up? procedure.
If the total of penalty points reaches 12 or more within 3 years,
the driver is liable to be disqualified.
Theft or Unauthorised Taking
UT50 Aggravated taking of a vehicle..3?11
Aiding, Abetting, Counselling or Procuring
Offences as coded on pages 16-17, but with 0 changed
to 2 eg. LC10 becomes LC12
Causing or permitting
Offences as coded, but with 0 changed to 4 eg. LC10 becomes LC14
Inciting
Offences as coded, but with 0 changed to 6 eg. DD40 becomes DD46
Periods of time
Periods of time are signified as follows: D=Days, M=Months,Y=Years
Endorsements remain on a counterpart document for:
11 years from date of conviction for offences relating to drink/drugs and driving, causing death by careless driving whilst under the influence of drink/drugs and causing death by careless driving then failing to provide a specimen for analysis
4 years from date of conviction for reckless/dangerous driving and offences resulting in disqualification
4 years from the date of offence in all other cases.
At the appropriate time, you can apply to remove your endorsement(s) from your counterpart by completing a D1 application form available from Post Offices® branches. (The photocard should also be returned).
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Depends what boxes ticked on NIP. Could be classed as Reckless /Dangerous driving, Fail Conform to traffic light and or speeding. Depends on previous driving record, any mitigation-Finger up in the air job.
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Presumably the speed he was doing meant he couldn't stop at the lights in any case.....
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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"Presumably the speed he was doing meant he couldn't stop at the lights in any case....."
To have stopped might have caused an accident?
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There are at least two distinct offences here, the speeding offence and failing to stop at a red light. Also possibly careless or dangerous driving.
Cheers, SS
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I assume he was caught by a 'red light camera'. I didn't realise that these clocked a speed as well as the red light offence.
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I didn't realise that these clocked a speed as well as the red light offence.
www.stvincent.ac.uk/Resources/Physics/Speed/road/r...l
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Dig the photo with the red renault and the hearse.....!
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Dig the photo with the red renault and the hearse.....!
Perhaps he was late for his own funeral.
I'll get me coat!
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On another page the name and shame display was very interesting. I remember when one of these was under testing on the M20 near Maidstone some years ago. My number plate was caught and flashed up, it was really embarrassing. The only odd thing was the other cars flashing past me. The limit was 50mph and I was clocked at 52mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well the person in question only got 3 points......
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Incredibly lucky. I was expecting at least 6.
Still, I'll bet he/she is going to be a little careful around that neck of the woods now.
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Adam
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What a joke, you get 3 points just for being 10% above the limit on an open road. This person got 3 points for running a red light at that speed and could have killed someone. Ridiculous. I'm not being high and mighty as I speed all the time but it just shows that proportional punishment does not really come in to it.
Oh and my mate got done 3 times in 2 days doing 48 in a 40 in a HGV on an open single carriageway after a stretch of dual where the limit was signed as 50 for cars but is 40 for HGV's, it is one of those new height sensitive camera's, he now has 9 points on his licence in 2 days, justice? I think not.
Everyone get's narked at HGV's doing 40 on single carriageways anyway.
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"justice? I think not."
As I have said many times before - you get law, justice often has nothing to do with it.
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