I quote the following from news website today:
"A 13-year-old girl who was caught drink-driving has been sentenced to a 12-month supervision order. The girl admitted to being twice over the legal limit when she was caught in Swindon, Wiltshire, after a family party on Christmas Day.
Newbury magistrates also banned the girl, from the West Berkshire area, who was 12 when it happened, from driving for two years."
Am I missing something here? What is the point of banning a 13 year old from driving? Does this mean that my 12 year old son, who has no drink driving record, is allowed to drive??
Sigh!
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Welcome to the Liberal world of the Labour government!
Yes, your 12 year old son can drive! What is there to stop him?
What is the WORST that can happen? as long as he doesn't drink drive or kill anyone then the WOSRT that will happen if he ever gets stopped by the police, he will get told off, maybee a night in a cell, but that is it!
I'm starting to hate the country we live in, when you think it can't get worse.... it does.
What would have happened if that 12 year old girl hit your car?
You would be paying for it! as she is not insured!
Makes me sick!
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Hangon! you have missed some important information from the story.
1) The driver has been already banned TWICE before at the age of 12
2) Every time was in a stolen car!
So there are no reprocussions for a 12 year old stealing a car and driving it when its drunk. What the hell is going on ?
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not sure but i think the ban comes into force when they are old enough to drive meaning the person concerned cant drive till they turn 19, still think it's a bit stupid , if you or i were to drive at twice the limit with no insurance no licence i dont think we would get off so lightly...cheers...keo
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But what would you do with a twelve year old? Youth detention centres are not top security prisons and a determined absconder would not find it difficult to get out and liberate another car. Prison? Sending someone that age to a university of crime is storing up future trouble, apart from being a bit cruel to a child. Some people are just plain bad, and there isn't a lot we can do about it except keep them under some degree of control. At least in the case of one so young there is hope that with the right guidance she may change, but easy answers there ain't.
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Sorry,
I just took out some rubbish I don't want here, but it did take a lot of other stuff with it. You have my apologies if you were affected by that.
If anybody wants to start paranoid conversations around racial discrimination, then please feel free to do it somewhere else. Especially when its ranting out of the blue.
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Disqualification and a one year supervision order.
What sort of message does this send out? CChheeee.
But as parents seem unable to curb their wayward daughter hit them with a years disqualification for failing to control her.
DVD
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parents should be given some form of behaviour order on the first offence when it gets to this stage parents should be given prison sentences you would see a huge fall in juvenile crime because parents threatened with prison seem to be quite good at controlling wayward kids...cheers...keo
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What was edited? I know i was having a damn good rant.... i didnt say anything out of line did I ?
Luke
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"What was edited?"
I was, for a start. Not a clue why though....
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Use it up : Wear it out : Make do : Do without
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i didnt say anything out of line did I ?
Not as far as I noticed. Good rant though.
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I knew a boy of 11 or 12 who, after drinking rather too much cider, decided to climb out of his bedroom window and "liberate" his dad's car from the garage.
After showing off to his friends, the car ended up in a ditch having bounced off a few trees. The car was a write-off but fortunately the driver was unhurt and the trees suffered only superficial damage.
He was given a similar punishment as the girl featured in today's news ie a driving ban and points on the licence he wasn't yet old enough to have.
Twenty years later, he is married with children of his own. He runs his own business, employing around 15 people, pays his taxes on time and has a clean licence. He remains one of my closest friends.
Not all young hooligans are beyond redemption.
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Make the punishment fit the crime. If I recall, there was a "boy" of the same age before christmas with the same sort of morality as this. He received a custodial sentence, but nothing much.
Stealing cars, driving without a licence, driving without insurance, repeatedly, and drink driving are crimes which are, or should be, severely dealt with in an adult court. Why should age matter in this case? Lock her up for a few years, fine her a few thousand pounds, delayed until she is earning, ban her for 5 years, from the age of 17 or until she is out of prison, whichever is the later, and make sure that her licence is endorsed so that her insurance company knows what they are taking on.
Do it now before she kills someone!
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i agree completely.where i live ,you see ten year olds tearing around in stolen cars.police come every night put them in the car take them home.then their back on the streets the next day. i blame the parents.this girl could have killed someone and i dont think she should be given her licence when she is old enough to drive.
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I believe the answer to all the social problems we have in our society lies in looking back in time and letting history teach us. Fifty years ago 13 year old children weren?t stealing and torching cars.
Muggings and street crime were virtually unknown.
If as the Liberal brigade tells us that counselling, education, making criminals face their victims, taking them on outward bound trips, giving them driving lessons, taking them round hospital wards, and all the ideas they foist on us actually worked that would be fine?
But they don?t and we should go back to the system which worked even with all its faults.
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You are quite right, they don't work. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Prison was considered a punishment. It should still be so. This crime spree by this girl was wrong. She should primarily be punished for commiting them. Even if her parents did not teach her that stealing etc. was wrong then the first court appearance would have done so.
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Thank god for your replies, I was beginning to think I was the only right winger :)
This is something that really gets me mad. Housing prices are completly stupid at the moment so I live in a small ex-council estate in a rough area, despite it being a complete hell hole its worth over £100k, and I can barely afford that ontop of my sky high car insurance (i only have a damn diesel 406 - accident free)
I've had my car broken into and vandalised by young sc.umbags and every time I have to pay more and more. If a car gets stolen/torched/vandalised, its rare for the police to even take them away, they usually just give them a 5minute talking to.
When someone is on their 3rd stolen car/underage/drink driving offence it is clear that they are never going to learn, how is a 2 year ban going to help? This is the sort of person that wouldn't bother getting a licence anyway even if it was not for the fact they are banned at legal age. They are not going to change, the only way to stop more innocent victims from suffering is to lock the offenders up. I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of prisoners don't steal cars.
This girls actions has effected every single person in here. Despite me never having an accident, my insurance has gone up every single year since I learnt to drive, infact soon my premium will be higher then the value of the car I've had for 5 years.
Sorry for ranting again, but this is something close to home that really gets to me. I really need to go on a TV/Radio debate to let off some steam or something :)
Luke
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>>Thank god for your replies, I was beginning to think I was the only right winger :)
I don't think it's necessary to be right-wing to believe that people who do bad things should be punished!
Cheers, Sofa Spud
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Sorry to ruin the debate, but time to add some facts to it.
1. The ban is not completely pointless. It will remain on her record and will be taken into account in any future sentencing. She is 13 so if she has a clean record for the next 4 years then I'd say it is reasonable to let her drive. The sentence was drawn up be a magistrate who had heard a darn sight more about her than we have. I'm not going to second guess his/her judgement.
2. Yes the parents should exercise control over the child. Who shopped her to the police? Anyone? Any guesses? Yes, the parents. And only when both my children have reached the age of 20 after 7 years of angelic behaviour will I start preaching about teenagers.
There are plenty of better cases if we want to bemoan the truly awful state of this country.
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If she stays clean for the next 4 years, and I, for one will not hold my breath, then at least the ban should start then, otherwise where's the punishment? It is no punishment not to be able to do something you are disqualified from by age, is it?
The problem is that any future sentencing will also include the usual "bad home/deprived childhood/doing her best to reform" rubbish that always get trotted out and muddies the water again.
My children are both in their 20's, and were "normal", non angelic teenagers, but the thought of behaving in this disgusting manner was not considered by either of them. I am not a model parent and they were not model teenagers, but there are limits!
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Because TV & media is so full of celeb/reality/makeover/beckham stuff, we, the suffering public, never get any informed feedback to be able to understand if the sentencing system actually works. When there is a snippit in the press it usually has a political slant one way or t'other.
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