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when in France....... - barney100
Just done the booze cruise, I was given a do and don't leaflet. ''You must have dipped headlights on at all times now'' it said. It didn't seem to apply to the French though as not many seemed to obey that rule! Vive La France!
when in France....... - Robin Reliant
That's the French, make lots of rules then ignore them! I hope this daytime headlights thing does not become law here, one of the most stupid ideas I have come across. If anyone cannot see a vehicle in daylight they should have a white stick and a guide dog.
when in France....... - keo-the-dog
some blind people dont want a dog,.... should they get guide cats?
when in France....... - keo-the-dog
sorry
when in France....... - Pugugly {P}
Ask about two certain countries made the Euro rules and then broke them, much to the dismay of less rich countires who stuck to them.
when in France....... - tack
Suggest you all read the book "50 million Frenchmen can't be wrong" Gives you an insight into the psyche of the French. Interesting reading. Listen, I admire them and their roads. Any motorway you drive on...if you are over 50yrs, which I am (and this is important) you know you can have a pee within about 5 mins. There is either an "aire de...." or service station every few miles. If they want me to dip my lights, I am happy to more than oblige! Rather drive there than here where you can drive in complete darkness and not even see that you have pee'd your pants!
when in France....... - Robin Reliant
> Rather drive there than here where you
can drive in complete darkness and not even see that you
have pee'd your pants!

You don't need to SEE that, tack. Peeing your pants is like falling in love, everyone knows you've done it but only you can experience the warm glow...
when in France....... - ratty
That's the French, make lots of rules then ignore them! I
hope this daytime headlights thing does not become law here, one
of the most stupid ideas I have come across. If anyone
cannot see a vehicle in daylight they should have a white
stick and a guide dog.


Agreed, if anyone cannot see a vehicle in daylight they should not be driving, but unfortunately they do anyway, ....and IIRC daytime lights reduce injury/death by 15%!
when in France....... - Robin Reliant
That 15% sounds like a stat that came from the Department of Guesswork, I wonder how they worked it out?

when in France....... - Adam {P}
Tom,

all statistics are meaningless. 14% of people know that.


;-) sorry
--
Adam
when in France....... - ratty
Tom,
all statistics are meaningless. 14% of people know that.
;-) sorry
--
Adam


I checked back and the statistics review come from Oxford on this one and they are usually good at saying when the stats are poor quality. Shock horror - the frogs might be right?

www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band59/b59-3.html

when in France....... - Pugugly {P}
Evidence is for Wimps - but, Given the number of myopic idiots driving around in what passes for daylight this time of the year with no lights what possible harm is there in hard wiring them (the lights not the idiots) to the ignition ?
when in France....... - Big Cat
There must be an environmental cost with having millions of cars with lights on all the time. All that extra fuel being burned.
when in France....... - No Do$h
There must be an environmental cost with having millions of cars
with lights on all the time. All that extra fuel being
burned.


Yes, the load on a typical 125hp engine to produce sufficient to power some headlights must be huge. I'm constantly having to turn my lights off to get that extra bit of oomph out of my car.
when in France....... - Pugugly {P}
There is an enviomental hit for avoidable preamture accidental death as well...all theat smoke at the crem.
when in France....... - No Do$h
Back on topic momentarily, the Bison Fute site (french motoring thingy run by some governmental department) confirms the lights rule (handy to know as I'm off there shortly).

As a useful aside, you may want to ignore your copy of Autoroute and refer to www.viamichelin.com for your route planning as this not only shows you were current roadworks, road closures and possible obligatory chainage de neige will imperil you, it also shows where the speed cameras are.


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when in France....... - tack
viamichelin.com.......
Can't recommend it enough! Excellent route planner with all sorts of interesting info about places on route.
when in France....... - henry k
Thanks for the link.
It looks very good except it only appears to go down to post code whereas Autoroute goes down to house number.
Autoroute does sometimes produces stupid route plans.
By that I mean e.g. Take exit eight off a roundabout that has only four.
I will put the same requirements to Michelin as a test.
when in France....... - Rebecca {P}
ViaMichelin didn't have the new Millau bridge in there when I looked...
when in France....... - Nickdm
- The new French law on daytime headlights is "on trial": motorists are requested to comply but it's not compulsory. The Government will look at the road death statistics in 6 month's time and try to see if any lives have been saved.

As you've noticed though, most of the French are ignoring the new "law"...

Some bright spark worked out on national tv that it'll cost an extra 20-quids worth of petrol every 10k miles to keep the headlights on.

Even more nonsensical: the motorbike lobby are up-in-arms because they reckon that bikes will be less visible if all the cars have their lights on too...?! Eh?!