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Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SteveH42
I'm sure these have all been voiced before, but after a rather annoying journey home I feel the need to vent my spleen...

Pet Hate of the day 1:
Idiot bikers. Like the one who came hurling down the outside of a stream of traffic towards a pedestrian crossing where the lights where on red then nearly took my front end of cutting across and being rather lucky the lights had just say gone off red when he arrived and the crossing was empty.

PHotd2:
Why do people never let you out? I was waiting to turn right out of a fairly major side road. Very little traffic coming from the right, but the cars coming from the left were all bunching up and making sure I couldn't get out. What is the harm in leaving a small space for someone to pull in to? I was sat there nearly 5 minutes before I finally pulled a bit of a banzai move infront of a car turning in to the street who'd left a tiny gap.

PHotD3:
Impatient PFDs. Once I'd got in to the queue, some idiot in a Golf decided he was far too important to wait with the rest of us, so sailed down past us, though a hatched area, through a right turn for traffic coming the other way, the wrong way around and island and in to the much shorter queue to turn right. Fair enough if it was <20 yards and you could see clearly if the way was clear, but this was over 100 yards and round a bend.

PHotD4:
People who join the right lane, drive up to the traffic lights, wait until they go green and *then* put their indicator on to turn right. Need I say more? Why can't you just let us know in good time and we'll join the left lane and go past you...

Right, spleen vented for now! :)
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - frostbite
Drivers who dash out of a side road right in front of me and then drive slowly.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
Drivers who overtake and then pull in front of me when I'm doing 70 in the left-hand lane of a motorway and then immediately brake for the next exit.
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L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - PoloGirl
1. On large roundabouts, people who don't let you in, when it's a choice of using the right hand exit/filter lane or taking your life in your hands and queueing on the roundabout until the left hand lane is clear.

M54/A34 Featherstone junction users, I smile at you every morning, is it really going to hurt to let me in?

2. The fact that it was half term last week, so the roads were lovely and quiet, but the drivers seem to have been at home multiplying as it now takes me 15 minutes more to get to work than it did before the holidays.


Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Hugo {P}
Drivers who overtake and then pull in front of me when
I'm doing 70 in the left-hand lane of a motorway and
then immediately brake for the next exit.


Ooops :)

H
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Hugo {P}
Middle lane hoggers.

What planet are the actually ON??!!

Usual suspects doing 60 in the middle lane with a backlog of traffic bunching up to overtake on the RHS - and they thing they're SAFE??
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SjB {P}
Not my car to maintain, but the woman in the 52 plate Disco TDI opposite our house who revs the whatsits off it in first gear, snatches second, continues to accelerate, then brakes hard for the blind turning 20 yards from where she started. A whiff of throttle in first, followed by second gear taken early would be:

Kinder on the planet
Quieter (Jeez is it a noisy old clatter box)
Easier on the brakes (probably not needed at all)
Kinder on the engine
Kinder on the transmission (that gear is really snatched)
Smoother
Within a fraction of a second, just as quick

Having said that, when she arrives home, the kerb on to her driveway is mounted under hard braking with a du-dump-du-dump that is felt through our house, so she obviously has no idea at all about mechanical sympathy.

Wouldn't like to be the second owner.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Altea Ego
Lorries on the A14 from M1 to A1

The A13 lorries or no lorries.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - googolplex
Lorries on the A14 from M1 to A1
The A13 lorries or no lorries.


Let's extend that beyond the A1 junction, until past Cambridge...There is some local press banter about banning them during the 'rush hour'(a misnomer if ever there was one). er...how's that going to work then? Where do they go?
Splodgeface
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Dynamic Dave
Not sure if it's previously been mentioned....

Foglights?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Manatee
No I don't think it has ;-)

Haven't they made a sudden comeback?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Adam {P}
What are these...."fog lights" you speak of?

On my car I simply have:

1. Dim lights
2. Brighter lights
3. Anger Expression lights (main beam)
4. Two new lights which are very bright and has everyone flashing their No 3's at me.
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Adam
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - henry k
>> Drivers who overtake and then pull in front of me when I'm doing 70 in the
left-hand lane of a motorway and then immediately brake for the next exit.

>>

Drivers who insist in driving in the left hand lane or the middle lane where I am.

This occurs in most in wet weather when I am keeping a safety gap in front and they are overtaking with none behind them.
Why to they have to drive on the left, drastically cuting my safety gap, ruin my view of the road and shower my car with crud?
Am I allowed to switch on full beam ...to say I am here?
I guess they think they are good eggs by applying the rule of drive on the left under all circumstances.

Also
Friendly types who stop or slow down, probably with a flash of their headlights, to let someone out or across their path.
How about using mirrors to see that there is only me behind and after me none.
We would all make smoother, safer progress with no wrong flashing of headlights and the third party can make there own decisions with a clear road.

Two just for starters.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SteveH42
Also
Friendly types who stop or slow down, probably with a flash
of their headlights, to let someone out or across their path.


Or the variation on this where you anticipate that someone needs to be out, back off slightly to give them the gap (maybe with a flash - I tend not to though as it can be misinterpreted) and they just sit there like lemons.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - madux
>> Also
>> Friendly types who stop or slow down, probably with a
flash
>> of their headlights, to let someone out or across their
path.


Erm, sorry - that was me.
You were tailgating me at 35 in a 30 limit and I knew the old couple in the Morris Minor would probably drop your speed down to 25.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Kevin
>Why do people never let you out? I was waiting to turn right
>out of a fairly major side road. Very little traffic coming from >the right, but the cars coming from the left were all bunching >up and making sure I couldn't get out.

What car do you drive? The driveway at work exits onto Shinfield Road in Reading which is always busy but even more so with the current roadworks. If I'm driving the Jag, I hardly ever have a problem with people letting me out. When I'm in the Chevy they seem a bit more reluctant.


>Impatient PFDs. Once I'd got in to the queue, some idiot in a >Golf decided he was far too important to wait with the rest of >us, so sailed down past us, though a hatched area,

Wasn't a dark green Golf in Hants/Berks was it?

A few weeks ago I saw the above vehicle overtake a queue of stationary vehicles at a roundabout and then turn left across the flow of traffic. A couple of days later, on a section of the A33 where there a two lanes in either direction seperated by a hatched area, the same Golf crossed the hatched area into oncoming traffic and then had to swerve in front of an articulated truck and brake heavily. All the way along the single carriageway section it was never more than about 10 feet behind the car in front at 50mph.
The surprising thing was that the driver wasn't a baseball-capped boy racer but a business-suited young lady.

Kevin...
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SteveH42
What car do you drive?


Does that really make much difference once it's gone dark? How many people can tell that well what car is trying to get out - and if even a fraction of the population is like my mother they wouldn't know one make of car from another!

(Yaris BTW)
Wasn't a dark green Golf in Hants/Berks was it?


Nope, red thing in Stockport.
... a business-suited young lady.


TBH, the suits seem to be the type to do this sort of thing - the baseball cap brigade draw attention to themselves with loud music and funny lights and often wouldn't want to potentially draw police attention to themselves by doing something this daft.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Robin Reliant
Overweight middle-aged men who spend a fortune replacing the steel bolts on their sportsbikes with titanium ones. One less visit to the fridge per day would be far cheaper and much more effective.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - NowWheels
Pet hates? Tailgaters. And tailgaters.

Did I mention tailgaters?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - v0n
Pet hates, ummm...

Cars that decide to join main roads and motorways by suddenly jumping out from some god forgotten B road right in front of traffic speeding away at maximum limit without even looking. Here's my tip:
What indicators do is INFORM others of your INTENTION to join traffic. What indicators don't do is they don't create invisible power shield pushing other cars away and thus making space on the road for you, they don't send your vehicle in hyperspace and they don't teleport your car into main traffic.

Traffic planners that redesign green light patterns and those responsible for badly timed "green waves" in the cities. Also the geniouses placing islands and no overtake signs right in front of bus stops. They deserve life of misery, pain, routes full of bendy busses, Congestion Charge everywhere they go and I hope they all end up in retirement home with Ken Livingstone as their camp master.

Every single transport commitee that looked at Darford Crossing and Blackwall Tunnel and decided it will more fun to install cameras and watch how entire traffic from continent tries to break through to the North of the river every day than actually build another bridge.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - THe Growler
Blimey, you lot have low tolerance levels. I wonder how you'd view Manila traffic and driving behaviour!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - holly1
1. Drivers who start to pull out of junctions before you have had the chance to get past them.

2. Even more irritating, those who appear to be checking for oncoming traffic before they pull out, but don't seem to notice the cars only yards away from them who then have to brake suddenly or swerve to miss them.

3. Lorries who overtake other lorries on the motorway thus blocking the first two lanes for miles.

4. People with those "small person on board" stickers in their car windows, who then proceed to speed, pull out of junctions into oncoming traffic, jump red lights, tailgate and generally break every rule of the road. Even worse are the ones who allow their kids to hang out of the window or climb over the seats whilst they are driving at speed.

I feel so much better now ;)
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
Oncoming drivers who switch their headlights onto main beam before they have passed you.
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L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Dynamic Dave
Oncoming drivers who switch their headlights onto main beam before they
have passed you.


Oops, sorry.

But in my defence I only do if the person has been late dipping theirs in the first place, or their lights are dazzling me.

Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
Blimey, you lot have low tolerance levels. I wonder how you'd
view Manila traffic and driving behaviour!


Yeah, but you lot just shoot someone who annoys you, don't you?
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L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - THe Growler
>>>>>>Yeah, but you lot just shoot someone who annoys you, don't you?

LOL only if we can establish the other guy doesn't have a gun....


Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - paulvm
Indicators! It seems that batches of cars of all types are sent out onto the roads without these useful devices. Instead the drivers rely upon telepathy with others around them to divine their likely moves. Alternatively, perhaps some drivers hands are glued in some mysterious way to their steering wheels and are incapable of moving their fingers just a little to flick a handy stalk. How much easier life on the roads would be if correct use were made of this useful feature on most motor vehicles.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - THe Growler
Yeah, but the problem with that is you give away the edge by letting the other guy know what you're doing....

But I have noticed that the more expensive the car, the less likely the indicators are to work. Sounds like quality is going to hell in a handbasket, especially with BMW's....
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Mobile Office

My PH?

People who take advantage of Emergency Vehicles, mostly Ambulances, and tailgate them on their way to/from an incident in a busy area so they can beat the queuing traffic who have dutifully pulled aside. Unbelievable

Mobile Office

Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - tyro
Drivers who potter along on single-carriageways at 40 or 50 mph when road conditions make overtaking impossible - but who then accelerate by about 20 mph when they get to a long straight stretch with no oncoming traffic.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Altea Ego
EVs? Guilty as charged. Fire Engines are good to follow, they leave a much wider wake.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Robin Reliant
'Specially if you wear a white shirt with epilettes, everyone thinks you're the station officer and you get to follow them through red lights.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SjB {P}
When I'm out on the bike, motorists who indicate right the split second they see me get interested in an overtake, even though they have no intention of turning right at the next junction or overtaking the vehicle in front of them. Alongside during the overtake, the driver normally hand signals with a middle digit, or frantically waves "slow down", even if in fact you're no where near the speed limit. Seems to be a disease that has propagated this summer as some of my friends have commented on it, unprompted.

With brain in gear and observation in a different league to the dodderer, it's usually possible to second guess the intention - as the next junction is usually a long distance away and the indicator was preceeded by a long look in the mirror, but it's still a potentially dangerous practice.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SjB {P}
Oops. Followed an opening '-' with a closing ','.
My old English teacher will have just turned in their grave!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - andymc {P}
1)
People who speed up as you pull out to overtake. Or even worse, speed up once you're alongside.

2)
(a) People overtaking me who pull in very tight in front and then slow down, and/or (b) hit the brakes hard for the bend they just avoided going around on the wrong side of the road.

3)
People who indicate that they wish to overtake me by driving about a foot from the back of my car, but refuse to carry out the manoeuvre on a long clear straight, even when I have eased in to the left-hand side of the lane and they can see the road is clear enough to pass. Then when the straight section is nearly all gone, see (2b) above.
--
andymc
Vroom, vroom - mmm, doughnuts ...
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - MarkSmith
Just a friendly bit of advice, SjB - don't overtake if there's a right-turn coming - assume the worst, assume he's going to take it without warning and without looking. Plenty of other overtake opportunities will come up if you're on a bike, keep yourself safe.

One of my pet hates is people who resent being overtaken. They move out when they see you going for an overtake, or when you're along side speed up to prevent you getting back in safely, and even move their cars to deliberately prevent you from filtering between lanes. Fortunately such people are in a very small minority, but they exist. If you're overtaking or filtering aggressively I can understand it (though I don't agree) - but if you're being nice and safe and courteous, it's just unnecessary.

Oh, and your English teacher would have to turn twice now - since I presume you know whether he or she was male or female, and therefore have no excuse whatsoever for referring to a single person as "they" ;-)

-Mark
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Sofa Spud
On sliproads, drivers behind you that pull out to overtake, blocking you from joining the motorway / dual carriageway smoothly.

Tailgaters

Boy racers (regardless of age or gender!)

cheers, SS




Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Pete M
People who use multilane intersections as an excuse to change lanes without indicating. As in "I'm turning from the right lane but I think I'll just go straight across to the far left lane. Goodness me, what was that tooting noise?" Practically endemic here in New Zealand. I must be in the minority here, having some semblance of lane discipline. I did live in the UK for several years, though. The concept of letting someone into the flow of traffic is also very rare, but not unknown. Obviously others have lived and driven overseas in the real world. Sigh....
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Stonk
Growler, I've driven in Manila. I've tried to explain the experience to friends but it's like viewing the Grand Canyon - you have to be there to really understand. I take my hat off to you if you do it regularly.

I like a challenge & found Manila to be well up there!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Bagpuss
I'm just back from a business tour of China and South Korea which has made me realise (as these trips always do) how laid back it actually is to drive in the Western world. People here stop for red traffic lights, no one (normally) drives on the pavement. Drivers (I'm guessing here) will stop if they run over a pedestrian who was crossing whilst the pedestrian light was green in their favour. Cars are fitted not only with safety belts, but also with airbags.

By comparison, cars in Shanghai seem to have binary accelerators, fully on or fully off combined with emergency braking and full use of the horn. Right of way is dictated by size of vehicle, nothing else. So small car gives way to SUV, SUV gives way to huge truck with no mudguards.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - sir_hiss
I enjoy a spleen venting session now and then :). OK, here goes :

1) Plods who cruise at 90 in the outside lane for no apparent reason, thats without blue lights flashing. You could argue that one as entrapment.
2) Boy racers, especially those who drive Corsa's and blurt out bad rap music at max volume.
3) Muppets who totally disregard temp speed restrictions in roadworks (see my other post on that one).
4) Flashing motorway matrix signs for no reason what so ever other than they seem to have forgotton to turn them off.
5) Traffic jams on from the M4/M5 interchange to beyond the Avonmouth bridge which seem to occur for no reason what so ever.
6) Broken down trucks conveniently placed in the most inconvenient of places conviently during rush hour.
7) Caravans, especially during the holiday season on the M5 - could these be the prime cause of 5?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - BazzaBear {P}

1) Plods who cruise at 90 in the outside lane for
no apparent reason, thats without blue lights flashing. You could argue
that one as entrapment.


How exactly?
They're hardly forcing others to follow suit.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
Used cars in which the dealer has had the plastic interior trim cleaned/polished with silicone polish. I assume they do it because they think it makes the car look better. I'd sooner the car was dirty. In case my next one has had this treatment, how do you get it off?
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L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - henry k
Used cars in which the dealer has had the plastic interior
trim cleaned/polished with silicone polish.


Oh yes I hate this. Every S/H car I tried recently had a nasty sticky steering wheel and gear lever. I certainly pointed it out to each site owner and informed them what a turn off it was.
I did not go round CARessing the rest of the trim.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - frazerjp
Taxi drivers who seem 2 jump queues ov traffic at a set ov lights then go througha red red light at the end!!!!


Arctics who try 2 ovatake u on the variable speed restrictions ov the M25, when the restiction is lifted 2 white circle wiv black stripe sign u in crease ya speed 2 ya desired cruising speed, the poor artic from behind is left standin wiv flashin lights and horn a blaring, poor sucker! Hes possibly not havin a good nite!!!

Nut cases who fit aftermarket alloy wheels to cars that make them look plain silly, seem to be a few in the wycombe area especially a geezer with a 02 reg laguna wiv those cheap aftermarkets oh and hes a cabby lol!


Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - BazzaBear {P}
Taxi drivers who seem 2 jump queues ov traffic at a
set ov lights then go througha red red light at the
end!!!!
Arctics who try 2 ovatake u on the variable speed
restrictions ov the M25, when the restiction is lifted 2 white
circle wiv black stripe sign u in crease ya speed 2
ya desired cruising speed, the poor artic from behind is left
standin wiv flashin lights and horn a blaring, poor sucker! Hes
possibly not havin a good nite!!!
Nut cases who fit aftermarket alloy wheels to cars that
make them look plain silly, seem to be a few in
the wycombe area especially a geezer with a 02 reg laguna
wiv those cheap aftermarkets oh and hes a cabby lol!


People who use text language on the internet, and try to speak like Ali G ;)
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Altea Ego
"Nut cases who fit aftermarket alloy wheels to cars that make them look plain silly, seem to be a few in the wycombe area especially a geezer with a 02 reg laguna wiv those cheap aftermarkets oh and hes a cabby lol!"

Well I think they look very nice on my laguna, and they match the silver paintwork nicely. And for your information I am not a cabby just kerb crawling.


OH!

an 02 Laguna, sorry my mistake.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - kithmo
Black tyre paint.
Drivers who stop at give way junctions when they can clearly see half a mile down the road and there is no other vehicle in sight.
Ditto at roundabouts (usually women) when there is no traffic on the roundabout
People who slow down to 30 mph whenever they see a speed camera because they don't know the limit, when it's 40 or 50 mph
people who almost double park, leaving just enough room to get through, but not enough room for an ambulance or fire engine to get through if (God forbid) one had to.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SjB {P}
> People who slow down to 30 mph whenever they see a speed camera because they don't know the limit, when it's 40 or 50 mph

I echo that.

On the road from Aylesbury to Thame is a speed camera at Gibraltar (Not that Gibraltar, obviously) where the NSL applies. A few months back, I was following a Mondeo, five up, all the occupants being engaged in animated conversation. Their speed towards Gibraltar was consistently between 55MPH and the NSL. Until, that it, the speed camera hove in to view, whereupon they shed speed down to 25MPH like the Titanic just surfaced in front of them. I would call it an emergency deceleration, except where was the emergency?! I was in SWMBO's 306, sans ABS, and in avoiding rear ending them (no chance to jink out and round) I could feel that the limit of adhesion was pretty well reached.

What happened next?

On a wide, open, trunk road, they continued for the next half a mile that it took me to find a safe overtaking opportunity at a religious 30MPH. Last seen in my rear view mirror trying to make their mind up what the speed limit was.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Jane
1) The idiot who thinks that it will be a super idea to grace the Warren Roundabout on the A27 through Worthing with 6 sets of traffic lights in the new year. Then, as the icing on his cunning plan, install speed humps on every minor road in the area which could be used as a rat run. Yep, that should sort out the gridlock that happens every morning and evening....Excellent plan! NOT!

2) People who tailgate you on country roads then, when there is a safe place to pass and you indicate that you're slowing down to let them pass, they slow down with you! It's only when you've pretty much come to a halt and are madly twirling your arm out the window that they get the message and pass!

3) Ditto with the people who accelerate when you are trying to overtake them....had this happen whilst overtaking a caravan travelling at about 45mph. The minute I indicated that I was overtaking he accelerated...my poor 1.2 only just managed to complete the overtake.

4) Ditto middle lane hoggers

5) People who take up two spaces, or don't park right up to the end of a parking space. Also those people that just leave their car parked at an angle because they can't be bothered to straighten up. On the parking theme still...people who box you in.

6) (I'm not being ageist here but...) In the town I live in there is a large amount of OAP drivers who probably never took the test and who really need to. Most have absolutely no idea of road rules and just seem to drive with tunnel vision, very very slowly (in their brand new VW Golfs). The main road into the town centre is continually blocked by cars parked on both sides of the road displaying disabled badges creating a one lane road for busses and sometimes causing gridlock by parking next to a pedestrian island in the middle of the already narrow road. I've no problem with disabled drivers parking close to the shops but, please, when you have parked and get out your car have a look at the surrounding area and see whether you are going to cause a problem with traffic flow.

Here endeth this rant.

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If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - paulb {P}
1) The idiot who thinks that it will be a super
idea to grace the Warren Roundabout on the A27 through Worthing
with 6 sets of traffic lights in the new year. Then,
as the icing on his cunning plan, install speed humps on
every minor road in the area which could be used as
a rat run. Yep, that should sort out the gridlock
that happens every morning and evening....Excellent plan! NOT!
6) (I'm not being ageist here but...) In the town I
live in there is a large amount of OAP drivers who
probably never took the test and who really need to.
Most have absolutely no idea of road rules and just seem
to drive with tunnel vision, very very slowly (in their brand
new VW Golfs). The main road into the town centre is
continually blocked by cars parked on both sides of the road
displaying disabled badges creating a one lane road for busses and
sometimes causing gridlock by parking next to a pedestrian island in
the middle of the already narrow road. I've no problem
with disabled drivers parking close to the shops but, please, when
you have parked and get out your car have a look
at the surrounding area and see whether you are going to
cause a problem with traffic flow.


Amen (particularly re. the humps - I live in one of the affected roads)
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - pantman
Pet hate 1
Im a biker and I totally agree with you ... if you ride like a prat youre gona get killed, however I have found myself - who I regard as being about as safe as you can get - on the receiving end of idiot car drivers, who basically are either thick or stupid or both and lack basic skills - like driving for example

If you have a pet hate thats fine, but dont forget that us bikers label car drivers too - imho everyone should be made to take a bike test - and pass - it might wisen-up a few people - I would even go so far as to say some bike riders could do with more training

no offence bikers!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Badger
Everybody else who is on my bit of road.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SteveH42
Personally, I'd take it further and say all drivers should be made to cycle around for a month before they are allowed in a car. That might teach them to respect other road users.

It should all be about making life easy for each other. You shouldn't get people on put-put mopeds that can't manage 25 up a bank sitting in the middle of the road stopping anyone getting past. Neither should you get people who chop across a biker who is happily sticking to the speed limit but forces you to actually pull out to carry on your merry, speeding way.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - pantman
The voice of reason speaks ...
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SteveH42
I suspect this may get this thread locked and deleted, but...


8< SNIP 8<

Remarks removed. DD.

Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - pantman
amazed that nobody has mentioned horses of some description, what a pain in the butt. Personally I think this should be made illegal - and its dangerous
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
.....................horses of some description, what a
pain in the butt.....

>>

........ but only if that's where they kick you! ;-)
--
L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - pantman
nasty!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
Oncoming drivers that do not dip their headlights until they can see the whites of your eyes. (I meet lots of them on my weekly crossing of the Lincolnshire Wolds.)
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L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - PW

Definitely- especially the two I saw late yesterday afternoon when was getting dark.

First one, father walking child on horse, on wrong side of country lane, coming up to a blind bend that many locals come flying round all wearing dark clothes. Pure genius.

Second one, narrow country lane, going same direction as me, stopped next to a lay-by to let me past. As the horse seemed skittish I went very slowly round- so rider decided to move on so was still passing as road narrowed back to single track. Still half light- and no reflective clothing. Fan-flipping-tastic.

About time a license was needed to take animals on the roads (even a simple IQ test would suffice for the above).
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - MarkSmith
I have a new one (since yesterday): cyclists with no lights, riding around in the dark when it's raining, with no reflective gear.

Saw two of them - but very nearly didn't see the second, which would have been messy.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - David Horn
Hmm... where to begin?

1) Ditto cyclists; I make sure I'm dazzling car drivers if I'm out riding at night.

2) Cyclists in lycra, but that's just me.

3) Tailgaters - I've always wondered what the legal ramifications would be if I just stamped hard on the brakes and said a dog ran out into the road or something.

4) The dashboard on my Xsara - the lights don't come on with the ignition, so you have to have the sidelights on to read the dials in even slightly gloomy weather.

5) People who do 90MPH+ on motorways.

6) The police who don't care about it.

7) The speed cameras on the Rochdale -> Rawtenstall road. WHY do they need 12 in a 4 mile stretch?

8) People who know where the cameras are (I drive the road at most 10 times a year) and (3) me until I let them out.

9) People who don't look in their mirrors.

That's all for now, but I'm sure I'll think of lots of things to add to the list.

Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Adam {P}
I've not said something controversial in a while so I've decided to change all that right now.

Jesse, I agree with 8 of the 9 points you make. Well - 7. Well - 6 given I don't drive anywhere near Rochdale.

I'm not advocating speeding for one moment but what difference does it make to you if someone is doing 90mph on the motorway? That came out a little harsher than was intended. I'm asking why that annoys you. If they're tailgating or driving dangerously then that's a completely different matter. Not turning this into a speeding thread (where is NW by the way) but the Police do care and probably plough a percentage of their resources into that, and the remaining into other (some would argue more serious) crime. There's only so many cops and so much money.
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Adam
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - MarkSmith
> 3) Tailgaters - I've always wondered what the legal
> ramifications would be if I just stamped hard on the brakes
> and said a dog ran out into the road or something.

Well I believe you're in the clear in this case, and in fact I know someone who knows someone who did this. But you'd have to question their sanity: the reason you don't want someone tailgating you is because they might crash into you. So if you make them crash into you, you're as bad as they are really - they did something which MIGHT have caused an accident, you did something which you knew WOULD cause one. If you're prepared to make someone crash into you, why are you concerned about tailgating in the first place?

-Mark
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Sofa Spud
It has long been assumed that if someone drives into the back of you it's their fault. I had a situation once where I had to pull up sharply (in a loaded lorry), thankfully without collision, because a car pulled out of a road on the left and then immediately stopped in the road to turn right at a staggered junction.

I wonder in a situation like that whether the other driver would have been to blame, since I was travelling at a sensible speed. I was already braking hard because he'd pulled out in front of me from the left when he stopped to give way (50 metres on) to oncoming traffic before turning right .

Cheers, Sofa Spud
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - tyre tread
Still would ahve been deemed your fault methinks as you should be able to stop .....

However, I had an incident yesterday where a car pulled out of a parking space at the side of the road and as I was still a fair way off I just lifted off the accelerator until I realised he was coeming backwards at me at speed. If I hadn't realised and put my hand on lights and horn I'm sure he'd have hit me or I hit him and without witnesses I would have been deemed the guilty party I'm sure!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - PhilW
"cyclists with no lights, riding around in the dark when it's raining, with no reflective gear."

ditto joggers, in black tracksuits.

Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Pete M
People who fail to put their children in child seats or seatbelts. The little dears stand up on the back (or front) seats so they can see out of the windows. I once saw someone with a child on their lap "driving" the car. I sometimes wonder what planet they're from. This is despite some very graphic public service advertisements on (NZ) television. And there's never a policeman around...
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Andy B
People who fail to put their children in child seats or
seatbelts.


Or those who sit a child on their lap and then put a seatbelt on. Makes me cringe.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Andy B
Drivers that:

- dont press the ratchet release button before yanking the handbrake on,

- leave the wipers running long after the windscreen has dried,

- turn the ignition off and THEN turn the lights off.

Yes, I'm a mechanical engineer to the bone and no, unfortunately SWMBO will never get to read this.

Andy
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Altea Ego
Oh well if we are going that route........

SWMBO's who leave the car in gear.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Adam {P}
Sorry RF - got to stop you there. As always! Leaving it in gear is something I've done from day 1 - deliberately. My Dad drummed it into me saying that if the cable ever snapped, then...well - you know. I realise the chances of that happening now are slim but it never hurts.

I tried telling one of my friends to do this but after getting in the car that evening, and her starting it in gear with no clutch, I quickly told her to disregard what I said.....whilst legging it away from the car.

I always start the car with the clutch in whether in gear or not...always will but I can see if it was never normally left in gear, or if you always left it in neutral and wifey put it in gear that it would be...annoying to say the least.
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Adam
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - SjB {P}
Agree with Adski.

I *always* leave the car in gear as a roll-away backup, and *always* start any manual gearbox car with the clutch pedal depressed. No conscious thought required to press clutch, start engine, move gear to neutral (or check it is if not my car), release clutch pedal to a likely biting point (final safety check), and then release fully. Sure, modern thin oils are not the treacle of old, but especially in cold weather this technique gives the starter motor an easier time, as well as being an obvious safety measure. I have educated my missus to do the same, which she does on all counts, religiously.

As an aside, back in the early eighties when I lived in Kuwait, the manual gearbox Yank pickup trucks that I regularly drove wouldn't start unless the in neutral with the clutch pedal fully depressed.

As another aside, a friend's father did a huge amount of damage to his one week old Audi 80 some years back by parking it with warm brakes on his steep driveway, and not putting it in gear. The Audi handbrake mechanism worked directly on the rear discs IIRC, so as they contracted, instead of getting tighter, they marginally released. Bang. One very sad looking Audi.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - henry k
Leaving it in gear is something I've done from day 1 - deliberately

>>if the cable ever snapped, then...well - you know. I realise the chances
of that happening now are slim but it never hurts.

>>
I bought an old UNO for my two learners to practice on.
Two days after I got it the handbrake cable snapped.
Fortunately we were stopped as of course I had no brake pedal on my side!!!
It had a valid MOT with months to go. Just one of several items not serviced but I think a pretty poor MOT inspection as the cable had obvious been frayed for ages.
Another reminder why I always get my MOTs done at a MOTs only long established place.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Kavvy
"turn the ignition off and THEN turn the lights off"

Huh? Unless it takes them 10 mins between the actions I fail to see how that can be annoying!

Besides, its lights on, engine on, lights off, engine off. Unless they changed the rules since my test!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Kavvy
No wait :) thats, lights on, engine on, engine off, lights off. I thought it was safety that was important.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Altea Ego
Lights on, Engine on?

Oh yes its such a wonderful idea to draw those extra amps out of the battery, just as the starter motor is going to draw the battery to its knees to turn it over.

Safety? The car had no lights on before you started the engine, how does having lights on make engine starting safer?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Andy B
Succinctly put, as always, RF.

Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - BazzaBear {P}
While I agree with RF's point, I don't really see the necessity to turn off the lights before the engine?
I understand when switching stuff on that the extra draw does no good, and also the surge caused by the alternator cutting in can damage the bulbs if they're lit at the time, but what's the problem with switching the engine off with the lights still lit?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Altea Ego
A lot of it is down to "old wives tales" "Father son" derived knowledge. Harks back to the old days of cars that took ages to start, lousy electrics, carp batteries and the good old dynamo and electro mechanical regulator.

Hence it was that every last microvolt or milliamp left in the battery could mean the difference between a starting "on the button" or a "family out for a push" morning.
Hence there is no real need to worry to those lengths these days about turning off lights before engine.

Its still true however that you really dont want to add any more strain on your electrics when starting the car and this includes lights.

Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Pete M
Erm, don't most modern cars automatically disconnect the headlights during starting? Certainly all the Japanese cars I've had have done this. Sidelights do stay on, but headlights go out. Hard to tell, as the engine usually starts very quickly, but I checked the wiring diagram of one car, and there's a relay connection to the start position of the ignition switch.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - v0n
Erm, don't most modern cars automatically disconnect the headlights during starting? Certainly all the Japanese cars I've had have done this.

Our Nissan Almera doesn't disconnect headlights when starting. Neither does my Toyota Hilux...
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Kavvy
"Oh yes its such a wonderful idea to draw those extra amps out of the battery, just as the starter motor is going to draw the battery to its knees to turn it over.

Safety? The car had no lights on before you started the engine, how does having lights on make engine starting safer? "

*shrugs*

I have no idea, I'm just re-iterating what was said to me when I was learning! If its dark you should switch on the lights before the engine.

Sorry it got up your nose!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - kithmo
Drivers that:
- dont press the ratchet release button before yanking the handbrake
on,

I used to believe this until I read through my Ford Mondeo Mk3 handbook, it specifically tells you NOT to press the ratchet release button when pulling the handbrake on ?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - henry k
>>Drivers that: dont press the ratchet release button before yanking the handbrake on,
I used to believe this until I read through my Ford
Mondeo Mk3 handbook, it specifically tells you NOT to press the
ratchet release button when pulling the handbrake on ?

>>
Perhaps the sound of the ratchet gives an audible reassurance?

In the Mk2 handbook the only reference is to press the button to release.
It also says to reduce handbrake application effort,
depress the brake pedal while applying the hand brake.

I wonder why the instructions have changed.

I always believed that pressing the button when applying the hand brake preserved the ratchet.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - frostbite
ditto joggers, in black tracksuits.


Funny you should mention joggers - they used to be plentiful round my way but now you hardly ever see one. Perhaps not such a healthy activity after all?


The trouble with jogging is, by the time you realise you're not up to it, it's too far to walk back.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Bromptonaut
Funny you should mention joggers - they used to be plentiful
round my way but now you hardly ever see one. Perhaps
not such a healthy activity after all?


They're like swallows; back in the spring.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - PhilW
"Leaving it in gear is something I've done from day 1 - deliberately. My Dad drummed it into me"

Funny the things you remember Dad drumming into you - (40 years ago!!) not only to leave the car in gear but also to reverse into parking spaces "in case the Germans come"!!! (Apologies to any Germans out there!)

"Ditto jogger"

And ditto the bloke last night at 7pm in the black sweat shirt and dark trousers walking his black labrador on a narrow lane. Him against the grass verge and dog at the end of a 2metre lead almost in middle of the road. The thing I saw was the "FCUK" emblazoned on his sweatshirt - I went into anagram mode!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Adam {P}
Yep - I've been ordered to reverse into spaces too - in case we need a quick getaway.

Can't think at all why though...
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Adam
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Dave Andrews
people that only drive up to the petrol pump with the filler cap on the pump side - causing more delays for everyone else. IT DOES REACH ROUND THE OTHER SIDE!

try going to the tesco near solihull, M42 and there is always massive delays because of this!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
people that only drive up to the petrol pump with the
filler cap on the pump side - causing more delays for
everyone else. IT DOES REACH ROUND THE OTHER SIDE!


I do it because I don't want the hose to dirty/scratch my car's paintwork.

If there are extra long queues at some pumps purely because of this, then there must be extra short queues at other pumps ~ why not just choose the pump that has the shortest queue? That way you personally should be able to get served quicker than if everyone else had chosen pumps arbitrarily.

--
L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - henry k
>>people that only drive up to the petrol pump with the
>>filler cap on the pump side - causing more delays for everyone else.
IT DOES REACH ROUND THE OTHER SIDE!
I do it because I don't want the hose to dirty/scratch
my car's paintwork.

It may reach round the other side but there is not much spare hose to do it.
Just think about it with a saloon. I have driven saloons for years and know the problems only too well.
You have to finish up leaning over the boot supporting the hose with one hand while the other hand holds the pump handle.
Not a recommended posture and many of the population have worked out it is not for them! In addition many pumps work very slowly adding to the problem.
So join the queue at the pump not the queue at the doctors!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - BazzaBear {P}
Also, you can find that with some pumps, the bend you introduce into the hose by stretching it round your car causes the auto cut-off to kick in too easily, meaning it takes half an hour (and lots of swearing) to fill the tank.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - helicopter
Despite the new law , those morons who still jabber on their hand held mobile phones when driving - One in the long queue to a roundabout behind me yesterday was using his right hand to hold his mobile and the left , I swear I do not lie, to pick his nose. I think he was pulling out what was left of any brain he ever had.

Do these people think they are invisible - Oh how I prayed for a policeman to stop him.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Happy Blue!
Especially when its an expensive car.

For gods sake, it costs no more than £200 for a proper hard wired kit to be fitted. If you can afford £30K for a Merc or BMW or even £500pcm on lease why skimp on the phone bit?
--
Espada III - well if you have a family and need a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - commerdriver
Especially when its an expensive car.
For gods sake, it costs no more than £200 for a
proper hard wired kit to be fitted. If you can
afford £30K for a Merc or BMW or even £500pcm on
lease why skimp on the phone bit?
--
Espada III - well if you have a family and need
a Lamborghini, what else do you drive?

>>

totally agree, had to brake hard yesterday to avoid a lady in a Range Rover in Henley who decided to turn tight from the left hand lane of a roundabout, steering with one hand while her mobile was held firmly in her right hand, oh for a machine gun on the front of the car sometimes :)
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Altea Ego
"Do these people think they are invisible - Oh how I prayed for a policeman to stop him."

Well he would have except he was following some dork that pulled out in front of him at a junction and nearly caused an accident.......

Sorry whirlybird! no offence - this was just too good to resist!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - helicopter
Yep - Never there when you want one and always around when you don't - Its amazing.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - v8man
>>people that only drive up to the petrol pump with the
>>filler cap on the pump side - causing more delays for
everyone else.
>> IT DOES REACH ROUND THE OTHER SIDE!
>>
>> I do it because I don't want the hose to
dirty/scratch
>> my car's paintwork.
>>
It may reach round the other side but there is not
much spare hose to do it.
Just think about it with a saloon. I have driven saloons
for years and know the problems only too well.
You have to finish up leaning over the boot supporting the
hose with one hand while the other hand holds the pump
handle.
Not a recommended posture and many of the population have worked
out it is not for them! In addition many pumps work
very slowly adding to the problem.
So join the queue at the pump not the queue at
the doctors!


I agree, try stretching the hose round to the wrong side on a Range Rover!
--
\"Nothing less than 8 cylinders will do\"
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Hugo {P}
people that only drive up to the petrol pump with the
filler cap on the pump side - causing more delays for
everyone else. IT DOES REACH ROUND THE OTHER SIDE!
try going to the tesco near solihull, M42 and there is
always massive delays because of this!


OK, next time you hire a van, you try filling it up from the wrong side :)

I admit I don't give a monkeys when I'm in the Land Rover or SWMBO Nissan Almera, but it's impossible in the van. The side of is far too high in relation to the filler cap position on my Primastar (looks like the latest Renault Trafic). Believe me it's a non starter.

Hugo
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Robin Reliant
Highly embarrassing too, if like a "friend" of mine you misjudge your stopping and the hose won't reach so you have to climb back in and reposition the car in front of a load of sniggering onlookers. He felt a right burk.
So he told me.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - David Horn
How strange - the same thing happened to my "friend" too. Maybe they should start a club... ;)
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Wally Zebon
People who don't signal
People with their rear fogs on in perfect visibility

but worst of all

People who straight-line roundabouts!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
People who straight-line roundabouts!



I do this when there are no other cars near the roundabout.
What does the IAM say about it?
--
L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - L'escargot
I do this when there are no other cars near the
roundabout.



Correction........when there are no other vehicles....
--
L\'escargot by name, but not by nature.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - PW
Easy solution- do a u turn and reverse in alongside the pump. Only really works in forecourts with widely spaced pumps- but solves the problem.

Not been boxed in yet either.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - AR-CoolC
Or just use ASDA's petrol station, and use the "fast lane" pumps. It seems everyone else has a fear of using a card to pay for fuel. I can Absolutely guarantee that I can always drive straight to a pump, on the correct side.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - BazzaBear {P}
I used the card pay pumps in the US while I was there, they're a fantastic idea, so much less hassle.
They also mean that people can't drive away without paying.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Garethj
I finally pulled a bit of a banzai move infront of a car turning in to the street who'd left a tiny gap.
PHotD3:
Impatient PFDs.


If you did #2 aren't you the annoying person in #3 yourself?
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - Billsboy
Another for the list.
Went to Halfords today and rather than park in their ultra narrow parking bays and risk door damage, I parked in the access road. This was on a quiet industrial estate with unrestricted parking and there were no other cars parked.
I did not notice anyone with flat cap and driving gloves whilst I was in the store, but when I returned to my car, there was his Volvo, parked nose to nose to my car with a gap you could not walk between.
Alright, a minor inconvenience to have to reverse, but un-necessary and inconsiderate in my book.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - TheGrocer
I hate people who sit on the hard shoulder of the M25 or M1 or any of the overcrowded motorways we use. They have pulled over to check something or other and now decide to proceed with their journey. Indicates right to re join the motorway, and instead of building up to a safe speed ON THE HARD SHOULDER they pull straight out into the slow lane causing everyone to bunch up behind them. THEY DRIVE ME NUTS.
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - tack
Women who insist on pulling their driving seat as close to the steering wheel as they can so that they cannot, competently, control their turning motions. I mean.....jeeez....ladies, seat back!, legs straight! arms out, slight bend at elbows, 10 to 2 position. It ain't hard. The only person I know couldn't do it is Douglas Bader!
Pet Hates volume 5298.4 - mike100
The air conditioning on a Ford Focus (and I believe some Mondeos)- can't turn it off with control set to "windscreen". Don't Ford trust their buyers to be able to select air-con on/off themselves? Another motor industry contribution to global warming.