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18 seconds - Vin {P}
Taken me a week to get round to posting this, but....

An open letter to the driver of the silver BMW estate.

Last Friday, when I was going down the M3 (north of Winchester) in fast moving but heavy traffic, you came up behind the car behind me in a very aggressive manner and flashed him mercilessly out of your way.

Then, despite the fact that I was moving at a speed at which I was making good progress (as I think the term is), you accelerated as hard as you could until you had to brake to prevent yourself hitting me. You were so close I couldn't see your front number plate. Then, you started flashing me. As my only route of escape would have been to sideswipe the car in the left lane (remember it is a two lane section), I hesitated in front of you for at least 30 seconds.

I thought you might burn out your headlinghts at that point, but I didn't respond or react. To be honest I was desperate to get out of your way.

I managed to move over, and you went up to the car in front of me and repeated your trick. At that point, traffic was beginning to slow for the Winchester turn off. Now I can't claim to have had a perfect view, but the chap in front seemed to be taking the mickey out of you a little by not letting you through. Not great driving, but understandable, given you were bullying.

And so the journey wore on; eventually you squeezed past him, then aggressively swung from lane to lane in the traffic round Twyford Down. As the fraffic opened up, I could see you driving 3-4 feet behind every car you came up to.

Now, I'm not claiming to be a perfect driver by any means, but I have to say, your driving was abominable.

I thought you might like to know that when we reached Southampton, I checked how far in front of me you were. 18 seconds. Over what I have subsequently checked is around 13 miles.

Was it worth the stress for you?
Was it worth the stress you caused those around you (including your wife[?])?
Was it worth the anger?
Was it worth the risk?
Was it worth the wear and tear to your car?
Was it worth the extra congestion you caused in the traffic jam?

I wish I could see you personally to ask these questions and hear you justify the answers on the basis of 18 seconds.

V
18 seconds - Mapmaker
Top tip, Vin.

I bet that the car that joined the inside lane when you did, and never left it, was only a further 18 seconds behind you - just leave that outisde lane for the silver BMWs, and enjoy a stress free life...
18 seconds - Doc
I'd bet that such a poor driver would not have the interest or intellect to visit a site such as this...

18 seconds - GS
Keep a camera in your car if carrying a passenger, ask them to take a picture of the offending other vehicle ideally showing its' proximity. I did this some time ago and the offending driver immediately stuck two fingers at me, presumably indicating his IQ level and withdrew to a safe distance. He obviously knew his driving was incorrect.
18 seconds - Aprilia
Late last year I had to visit a company in Chelmsford. Driving back up the M11 the weather was appalling, heavy traffic, and cautious driving was the order of the day.

Newish dark red 5-series came up 2 feet behind me flashing lights like mad (I was in a C-class). I eventaully managed to pull over and he repeated the flashing with cars ahead. Thought no more about it.

Later I stopped for a bite to eat before continuing my journey on the A14, where I passed the same BMW at the side of the road with its snout all crumpled, having driven into the back of another vehicle! Sooner or later luck just runs out for these characters.
18 seconds - carl_a
My experience of poor drivers is that they think they?re are great drivers and everyone else does things wrong and not them.
18 seconds - Bromptonaut
I'm regularly passed by a clown in some species of Lotus. Takes all kind of risks leapfrogging down the line on the single carriageway A5 beyond Towcester. He just about has time to vacate but not lock his car before I see him on his employers car park in milton keynes.
18 seconds - googolplex
OK, I'm playing devil's advocate here:

I am that same BMW driver:

Actually my wife was in labour and I was in panic mode; she's already had 3 miscarriages.

I had to get to Hospital asap. The ambulance didn't arrive. I'm sorry I upset you all and drove dangerously but I panicked. I'm sorry, I just didn't know what to do...

What would you have done?
(not) Splodgeface

18 seconds - LongDriver {P}
I would have quited reasonably presumed you were lying
18 seconds - Vin {P}
Driver in 50's, wife(?) the same.

13 miles down the M3 away from Basingstoke (previous entry), past Winchester and Southampton exits; all three have big hospitals. Wife in labour? No, this was a selfish geezer in a rush.

In order to keep the original entry short, I neglected to mention that after he got past each car (including me) he swerved into the left lane and flashed his indicators in a "you should have got out of my way" kind of message. Would he have done that in a panic? I suspect not.

I should have mentioned that, as it gave useful information.

V

18 seconds - martint123
Calm down, if a common experience like that gets you so wound up, you'll be making yourself ill - just ignore them and proceed.

Martin
18 seconds - Vin {P}
"Calm down, if a common experience like that gets you so wound up, you'll be making yourself ill"

And at what point did I get wound up?

Additionally, as someone who drives 30K mile sor so a year, I do see the common or garden tailgating nutter daily. This chap really was a bit of an exceptional case, or I wouldn't have mentioned it.

The only point when I gave any indication of emotion above was when I pointed out that I was desperate to get out of his way. At that point, he was four feet from my back bumper at XXmph, so I was in danger - that often creates a little emotion.

The rest of my interaction with him was more a sort of bemused fascination. I decided to share it with the forum not as a rant, but as an example in how little benefit one nutter gained from aggressive driving.

V
18 seconds - PhilW
Don't think that this is very likely given the conduct of the driver, but a flash of the indicators is often used by trucks as a "thank you" if you signal them to pull out in front of you so they can overtake, or when you flash them to show they can return to inside lane when they have overtaken you - perhaps he was thanking you and was unaware of how aggressive his driving appeared to others???? Or do I just think the best of others? (Except those PFD middle lane hoggers on the M1 this evening who seem blissfully unaware of everyone else on the motorway!!!)
18 seconds - CM
Splodge - fair point. I think that I would be going down the hard shoulder.

Anyway, if it isn't dark I think that people would be able to see if a passenger is in distress
18 seconds - barney100
I remeber the AAs advice when a following vehicle gets too close, slow down by taking your foot from the accellerator until he/she drops back. I have tried this method and been rewarded with imaginative hand signals with varieties of fingers raised and clenched fists offered as an alternative from the driver of the car.
18 seconds - Wales Forester
Given the fact that this idiot seemed to be doing the same trick to everyone he came across, sooner or later he'll do it to someone who will just stand on their brakes and cause him to shunt them.

Either that or he'll do it and see a nice flip up sign appear reading POLICE - FOLLOW ME......

PP
18 seconds - Wales Forester
Forgot to add: Remember that you always have the option to make an official complaint regarding someone's manner of driving, as long as you're prepared to go to court.
Always worth noting the reg number if possible.

PP
18 seconds - Sprice
The only flashing lights you see on a BMW is their headlights when they want to pass, obviously their indicators don't work, bunch of *******!
18 seconds - CM

.>> The only flashing lights you see on a BMW is their
headlights when they want to pass, obviously their indicators don't work,
bunch of *******!


Sprice, I take it that you don't drive a BMW then.

Must say that I find categorising people by the car they drive very very tedious. It is not particualry this case (because of I drive a BMW) it is because it is a very childish argument.

Bring back Toad of Toad Hall - at least his postings were amusing
18 seconds - GrumpyOldGit
Forgot to add: Remember that you always have the option to
make an official complaint regarding someone\'s manner of driving, as long
as you\'re prepared to go to court.
Always worth noting the reg number if possible.
PP


This can work. I had a similar experience with a Mercedes SL driver. He flashed, I didn\'t move as I was rapidly approaching a slow moving truck, he screamed past on the nearside, pulled out sharply with very liitle room between him and the truck, and then stood on the brakes! My poor old Ford did it\'s best to stop, but if he hadn\'t put his foot down again he would have had droF stamped into his boot lid.

Drove to the police staion and made a statement. Asked if wife and I would go to court - of course we would. Got a call some weeks later to say we didn\'t need to go as he\'d pleaded guilty to driving without due care.... If you\'re going to drive like an idiot, don\'t have a personalised plate that\'s so easy to remember deleted. ND. (I hope he reads this! I\'d love to meet him.)

I\'ve removed the number plate details as there is no guarantee that the gentleman concerned still owns that plate. I would hate for us to cause undue distress if the plate is in new hands. ND
18 seconds - SjB {P}
Either that or he'll do it and see a nice flip up sign appear reading POLICE - FOLLOW ME......

Exactly that happened to a colleague of mine, in his Mazda 323 V6. After sitting behind it for a while away from a roundabout, he got fed up wih the plodding (pun not intended!) way that the car in front was overtaking the traffic in the inside lane, and remained in the outside lane even when the inside lane was clear for quite a distance.

Eventually, he says that he started intimidating the guy in front by headlight flashing, dropping back, and zooming right up close to the back bumper.

After repeating this cycle several times, the Police Stop sign popped up in the back window of aforementioned car...

For some reason that I don't understand (perhaps engagement on another task), the sign then went back down, and the unmarked car carried on.
18 seconds - Stuartli
the Police Stop sign popped up in the back window of aforementioned car>>


Had a similar experience in the 1990s when I used to drive into Preston on a dual carriageway.

Doing about 80mph in the outside lane overtaking slower traffic when I gradually came up behind a black Rover Sterling; put up with this for about a minute or so (perhaps even less!) and started flashing my headlights.

No response for about 30 seconds and then, all of a sudden, blue lights went on in the rear screen for about five seconds and then off. Eased off smartish.

Later discovered it was the Lancashire Chief Constable's chauffeur taking his boss to the Police HQ at Hutton.

Felt a bit of an idiot for a few days...:-)



18 seconds - BrianW
Years ago a work colleague Cut up a taxi when coming out of a roundabout at Harlow, forced it into a lamp post which fell on the taxi and wrote it off.
A little scratched paint on his mum's Fiat 500.

Same evening, out on his AJS 350 he overtook a car doing a little over the posted limit.
Turns out it was the Essex Chief Constable's car and he received a NIP a few days later.
18 seconds - BobbyG
Sure I have mentioned this somewhere before. I am probably the same as most people here, the more someone tries to intimidate you, the more you will stand your ground.

However a few years ago had a guy following me , very close to my bumper, eventually I was so concerned, I pulled into a layby. He swerved out to overtake me and wrapped his car round a lampost on the other side of the road. Turned out he had been sacked that day and had went to the pub to drown his sorrows. 3 times over the limit.

Sometimes, its best just to get out the way....
18 seconds - Vin {P}
Don't want to hijack my own thread, but I'd argue that it's *always* better to get out of the way.

If someone's four feet from my back bumper, the best place for him is far away from me. The easiest way to arrange that is to let him do what he wants to do by moving over and letting him past.

Holding them up raises your blood pressure, might cause them to do something stupid and you might get caught up in the aftermath.


V
18 seconds - THe Growler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'd argue that it's *always* better to get out of the way.

If someone's four feet from my back bumper, the best place for him is far away from me. The easiest way to arrange that is to let him do what he wants to do by moving over and letting him past.

Holding them up raises your blood pressure, might cause them to do something stupid and you might get caught up in the aftermath.


Amen.

Swallow your ego. Let him go. His Karma will catch up with him someday. You don't want to be part of his next accident. Someone's waiting for you back home. A few minutes extra on your journey is not worth risking losing years off your life (Book of Growlette 4:6 and oft-repeated, glad to say).
18 seconds - patently
18 seconds....


Well said, Vin.
If someone's four feet from my back bumper, the best place
for him is far away from me.


Even better....
18 seconds - Roberson
Barney100: This was my method of dealing with this form of dangerous driving and it works 85% of the time

On my way to work, one particular van used to tailgate me at the same point every day. He was one of the 15% where the rule didn't have any effect. However, liberal use of the windscreen washer to get that stubborn bug off the windscreen sharp made him move back (after a few flashes of objection) I know this was not the way to deal with it, but he never did it again.

We have only once lodged a complaint about someone?s driving, as it was somewhat more dangerous than tailgating. To cut a long storey short, a jeep overtook us on a straight piece of single carriage way which ended in a sharp right bend. About 400m from this bend, he overtook, but the road was heavily covered with slush which the jeeps tyres sprayed entirely over the car, to the point where the wipers couldn't cope. We were then effectively travelling blind! What was worse, it took him twice as long as it should to overtake, so by the time he was past, we were nearly at the bend. Made the complaint but never heard anything more.
18 seconds - richy
And they're never around when you need them, silver BMW touring drivers that is.
When I was running an old Xantia with a crank seal oil leak that would cost more to fix than the car was worth, I was praying for someone to rear-end my car so I could get something back on their insurance...
18 seconds - Kevin
Vin,

maybe you should trade-in the Omega for one of these?

www.army-technology.com/projects/avenger/avenger4....l

Without wanting to inflame the stereotype debate (yeah, right), most of the dangerously aggressive drivers I see nowadays are aiming Audi A4s.

Kevin...
18 seconds - Stuartli
Some crumbs of comfort. Consistent tailgaters will only get away with it for so long by the law of averages; by the same law of averages one day they will tailgate an off-duty police officer.
18 seconds - madux
Regarding PeterPerfect's comments, if more than one complaint is made about a particular person's driving, the police are legally obliged to go and talk to him.
Or so I've heard.
How seperate complaints are coordinated I have no idea.
18 seconds - madf
If people tailgate me in a 30mph area, I drive at 30 mph. After a while most get the message.

(Not at 29, 31 32 but 30- per my speedo..)

madf


18 seconds - patently
How seperate complaints are coordinated I have no idea.


After I and a neighbour complained separately about a nuisance near to us, and the second to call was told that there would be no action as there were no other complaints, I suspect the answer to your question is:

"not".
18 seconds - just a bloke
I believe ( but confess I'm not sure how) that it requires a minimum of 3 complaints to prompt action.

They don't need to coordinate as such because when they enquire about the driver using the index number amongst all the other information they retrieve is included other requests for information made and why.


JaB
18 seconds - Jagman
Vin,
Maybe a bit late but take some solace in the the fact that there is an unmarked dark grey police Volvo doing some very active speed detection on the M3 at the moment. If your man is a regular at this I think he will be caught.
18 seconds - bartycrouch
Why do assume it was anything to do with going faster? Some people are known to overtake purely because it is part of their nature.

All your adult logical arguments are wasted on people like that who have to deal with thier inner-child's more basic needs first.