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Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
Took the dogs playing in the snow at the weekend. This requires a pretty agressive drive on some wild landscape. Not the sort of driving that you would ever need to do in the UK, probably nowhere to do it anyway.

I live on the edge of the Andes mountains outside Santiago in Chile. My house is above the snow-line for some of the winter, but mostly below. Its rocky, wild and very difficult to drive in.

The place we went to there are no roads. I don't mean no tarmac, I mean not even tracks. There is no way to know which way to go, since there are no tracks, car tracks or anything else to indicate. Map, compass and being lost there last year are all the things you have to help. Usually we end up driving towards the gap between two peaks to see if we can get through. We actually went over to the Argentina border which took about 5 hours there and less back.

However, we took four cars - my Dodge Ram, its a twin-cab pickup; a Landrover Freelander, a Toyota 4-Runner and a Toyota Hilux (a pick-up). And since I drove all of them, I thought you might be interested in my opinions.

The Dodge you probably don't care about. Its only problem is its size, which restricts some of the things it can get between or across - at one point I had to go through a river because the bridge over the river wouldn't take its weight.

However, space permitting, it will go anywhere and over anything. Too big for European roads though.

The Hilux was surpisingly capable for a cheap pickup. It lacked the pure grunt of either the 4-Runner or the Dodge, but this only made it a little more trying, it didn't fail to get up, through or over anything. Its a four-seater pickup, although you wouldn't want to be travelling in the back on bad surfaces, you get thrown around a lot. But it was fine in the front, and the seats are supportive, with loads of things to grab hold of and brace yourself against.

I might even buy one and keep it up in the mountains - there's times I just don't want to drive anything as big as the Dodge.

It even had mountings for extra spare wheels, which is essential since we normally try to carry three for each car - although I've never needed to use more than two. (and that wasn't my fault whatever you hear, it was a stupid place to leave a hole).

Freelander - I hope its good in supermarket carparks, because its naff-all good for anything else. Small unsupportive seats allowing you to be thrown around and a small under-powered gutless engine. (This one was a year old, so I know there are V6 & Diesel stuff about now which *must* be better).

Lousy amount of storage space and no space to put things in in the front to stop them flying everywhere.

As I understand the 4wd, it works out for itself where it needs to be putting the drive which I took to mean that if it needed to be 4wd it would be, but on tarmac it would be mostly 2wd. Well, maybe - but it doesn't work - it was forever spinning two of its wheels and instantly trying to slide off the mountain sideways - at one point it tried this particular little trick less than 1 yard from a 2000ft drop, fortunately it was chained to the Dodge at the time, although I might have overdone the throttle a little given the comments from the Freelander driver - about 15 minutes later when he got power of speach back.

Even other than that quite trying moment, its 4wd just isn't very good and certainly not sure-footed.

It desperately needs a lower ratio, several times the engine just stalled because it simply couldn't get up things that steep even when it had tons of grip. I suppose the larger engines must be better.

Mind you, because its got a toy engine, they've obviously tried to keep its weight down - this lack of weight was a frequent problem in the traction stakes.

Even if the thing didn't stall through lack of power, it kept grounding out and getting stuck on stuff.

Its very "plasticky" inside, and whilst we didn't actually break any of the fittings, it looked like it wouldn't cope with much abuse. Particularly since there isn't much in the car to brace yourself against at difficult moments, and therefore sooner or later you're gonna grab something which will snap off.

It had a very strange "bendy" feel to the gear stick. Almost like the stick itself was flexing. It didn't affect anything, but it was a strange feeling.

Horrible car and we actually abandoned it half way up and collected it on the way back down. And I was all for missing out on the "collect it on the way down" part. And we should have done because that "oh so smart, go down hill safely yellow button is a waste of time. Even the dogs got bored, jumped out and ran on ahead.

All in all, its a bloody awful off-road car, and I would have thought as an ordinary "on-road" car, there were many better options since even on the freeway its noisy and gutless.

Finally was the 4-Runner. This car is what every part-time on-road/off-road car should be. Very well equipped for freeway driving, and its quiet and comfortable for very long trips and high speeds, but is startlingly capable off-road.

Loads of ground clearance, several OF handles, loads of space, very good visibility and very easy to drive. Plenty of power and its traction in 4-wheel-low was impressive.

I had to be a little careful since it belongs to SWMBO, but it got put through its paces. At one point the snow was uparound the windows and it still kept going through. Loved it. I'd recommend a 4-Runner in the UK wihtout hesitation.

M.

p.s. The Dodge has off-road tyres, the others all have "combination" tyre. We did take chains for the Freelander, but they didn't help, it was still crap.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Dan J
If the Head Public Relations job comes up at Land Rover it'd perhaps be best not to apply... :o)

So how come you're working all the way out there in Brazil Mark?
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
> If the Head Public Relations job comes up at Land Rover it'd perhaps be best not to apply... :o)

I actually like the real ones, its the pretend, pretty ones which are so bad.

> So how come you're working all the way out there in Brazil

Looonnnggg story. Essentially I know Mergers & Acquisitions, Latin America, Telecommunications, and Company Operations, speak Spanish and Portuguese and have a track record. This makes me one of very few people (currently three I think) and therefore I get offered various contracts to help with various things.

> Mark?
Re: Not an objective test........ - Richard Hall
I see from the news that the Taliban militia, who presumably know a thing or two about off road vehicles, all appear to drive Toyota Hiluxes. Somehow I can't see Toyota using this in their advertising.

Any jobs in Brazil for accountants who can MIG weld?
Re: Not an objective test........ - R H Stoll
Hello Mark,

Did you ever try one of the newer Unimogs? They can block all differentials which can be helpfull. Driving a Range V8 myself, in Portugal, and playing around quite a bit, generally satisfied. I'd love to try it out at your place, though.

Regards

Robert
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
> myself, in Portugal, and playing around quite a bit, generally satisfied. I'd love to try it out at your place,

Oh its wild. There are no restrictions. You can take yourself and/or your vehicle anywhere you want. If its dangerous, they regard this as your problem and not something they care about. Essentially you can drive into the mountains and then go where the fancy takes you. Its fantastic.

It is neccessary to be responsible and careful. It really can be very dangerous and people do die. It is not like motoring in Europe, not even in the Alps.

Its fairly regular when I am home that I will take the dogs, a cool box with Vodka and Tonic and my week-or-two-old Telegraph and drive into the mountains.

I sit there in the back of the pickup, in perfect silence for hours while the dogs play in the snow, drinking a vodka, reading about HJ's opinion from 10 days ago and let the world go by. All the more perfect because I'm 10,000 ft up with not another human being within at least 50 miles.

I stay up for the night sometimes, but you have to be a little careful of the cats - especially since the dogs are just daft enough to believe that a mountain cat can be friends !

Love it.

M.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Dan J
Sounds fantastic - there much call for SAP Consultants out there? Not only perfect peace and quiet and the occasional much needed escape from humanity but the chance to properly (and I mean properly) test out a 4x4.

Very lucky - how long are you out there for? Are you returning to Blighty?
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
So, you're an SAP consultant.

I was the project manager on the first R/3 PP-PI implementation in the UK, Zeneca Specialties. I also did ICI's R/2 Implementation and British Sugar's R/2- R/3 conversion.

As it happens, there is a demand for R/3 consultants, especially if you are into some of the newer functionality - CRM, Revenue Mgmt, Optimisation etc. etc. and getting a job isn't an issue. However, the money is less than you might think. Its slipped quite a lot into commodity package implementation. Last I heard, a week or so ago, SAP themselves were looking, although this would be based in Sao Paulo.

If you're serious, drop me your resume, I can pass it around. I know most of the people involved.

You'd probably have to relocate yourself though.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Dan J
You must certainly have an interesting CV Mark!

I'm only 23 (actually reading back through this got that wrong, 24 today! Shows what a hard day at work I've had...) and have not been involved with SAP long though hope to get seriously involved in it over the next few years (doing boring FI/CO work currently but I guess every company has it), perhaps start my own Consultancy/go contracting in the future.

Brazil sounds fantastic though I am not sure SWMBO would agree on that matter (when do you ever get 100% agreement?!) - I'd love to work out there for a few months but whether she'd like to tag along as well is a different matter entirely, will have to hope my company decides to start making something there! Thanks a lot for the resume offer, I might take you up on it one day...

Would you recommend Brazil for a two-three week holiday? When would be the best time to go?
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
SAP Configuration does not have the demand it used to, you need to be much more involved in controls, process & workflow. i.e. don't focus too much on technical knowledge, focus on the business aspects and how to use the product effectively - especially within CO and particularly focussed on Actvitiy Based Costing, Full Product Costing and Complete Cost Allocation. Contracts are either periodic or project-based. Neither is likely to be less than one year.

If you work for a major consultancy, then apply for a transfer, most of them do this. You will be handicapped in FI since taxation, AP and legislative requirements will be difficult for you, and GAAP is quite different. However, CO is pretty much the same, but has an important business focus rather than application focus - Telco & Mfg are the two largest target areas.

Brazil is great for a holiday. When you come depends on what type of holiday you are looking for.

Anytime between now and April will give you something you'll enjoy. If you want the party life, then you are better in Salvador, Porto Seguro or Rio. Carnival is in February, so the closer you get to that, the wilder it will be.

If you are into the wildlife & geography, then somewhere like Abrolhos, where the whales are currently mating (june - november) Manaus (Forest & Tree hotels), Iguaçu (Waterfalls) are all fantastic.

What is totally clear is that *ANY* tour you arrange from the UK will be crap. Or even if you are very lucky, much more expensive and much less of an experience than if you arrange it for yourself.

I suggest, rather than boring everybody in a motoring website, that if you are really interested, and this applies to anybody else as well, then mail me directly and we can conduct a conversation off-line.

M.
Re: Not an objective test........ - ladas are cool
any jobs for my father, he is a senior IT business solutions manager, i dont know what that means, but he has a few years experience in computing( i remember him working on a 286 computer, state of the art for the time), so if anything come up for a computer guy, then let me know (and i would love to see how good a lada 4X4 would be on the mountains that you talk about)
against my better judgement... - Mark (Brazil)
> any jobs for my father, he is a senior IT business solutions
> manager, i dont know what that means, but he has a few years
> experience in computing

I do know what that means, but you'd be better off asking him. Essentially it revolves around using computers to solve business problems rather than simply as a technical tool.

The more technical he is, the less likely there is opportunity. Most countries/companies know how to use computers, what they don't necc. know is business strategy, controls, planning & operations, in particular so far as massive change is concerned - which is frequently required, especially in a disparate and evolving market place.

But you can't look for a job for someone else. If he wants to mail me, all well and good, I can point him in some directions.

M.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
Dan J wrote:
>
> Sounds fantastic - there much call for SAP Consultants out
> there? Not only perfect peace and quiet and the occasional
> much needed escape from humanity but the chance to properly
> (and I mean properly) test out a 4x4.
>
> Very lucky - how long are you out there for? Are you
> returning to Blighty?

p.s. I've been in Latin America for 10 years or so now, and yes, my plan is to return to the UK next year. Although I suspect that I will only stay for a couple of years.

And as for testing 4x4s properly, oh yes - I've actually manage to dent the roof of the dodge and tear one of its door mirrors off on the ground - both without turning it over.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
> I'd love to try it out at your place,

p.s. - you'd be very welcome, and if you don't mind a 12 year old Range Rover, we could even make you feel at home. It actually does very well, although you do tend to get thrown around quite a lot, its a bit too soft.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Tomo
One thing sure, no place for a geriatric with a Mk IV Supra who is only tri-lingual - English, Glesca and Bad! Anyway there's the missus to look after...
Re: Not an objective test........ - Martin
Mark,

Why do you say (Brazil) if you live in Chile????

Some years ago (1980/81???) I installed a machine in Santiago, just after a big earthquake... Interesting place....

Martin.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
Martin wrote:
>
> Why do you say (Brazil) if you live in Chile????

Martin,

At the moment I work in Brazil, in Rio. It happens that this is a busy time for me, and so I have a very limited opportunity to travel. To travel between Chile & Brazil takes 1/2 - 3/4 of a day each way, and sadly I can't afford this time at present.

Therefore I live in a house supplied to me by the company I am currently working for, which is in a town call Barra de Tijuca, just outside Rio.

However, *my* house is in the mountains above La Reina, Santiago. I travel there for a long weekend about every 6 weeks or so.

Brazil is a great country to visit and there are many fantastic experiences here. However, in *my* opinion, it is a crap place to live long term and I refuse to concede that I live here, just because I spend most of my time here.

I have lived in Chile for 3 years, its a fantastic place, my house is there - and so that's where I live.

M.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Martin
Mark,

Are you a motor industry type (with motor industry job)?
(this isn't meant to be twenty questions....just interested....)

Martin.
Re: Not an objective test........ - Mark (Brazil)
> Are you a motor industry type (with motor industry job)?
> (this isn't meant to be twenty questions....just
> interested....)

Telecommunications, usually.

All I know about cars is that they break a lot and its never my fault.