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Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - Robert A Bradley

With almost 250k miles under it's wheels, my poor Nova has suffered another head gasket failure due to erosion of the waterways in the Alloy Cylinder Head.

The recommended antifreeze has a hard job balancing the alkali factor to protect the cast iron block, and an acidic factor to protect the alloy head.

Is there a better choice of modern antifreeze formula that can protect both of these differing materials? It was easy when engines were all cast iron, or nowadays with all alloy construction. Sadly I've got the worst of both worlds.

Mannol AG13 looks to be a reasonable choice, but getting a definitive answer from published data is proving difficult.

R.A.B.

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - elekie&a/c doctor
I would just use the original GM / Vauxhall Dex cool antifreeze. Pink oat .
Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - John F

My 1980 TR7 (iron block/alloy head) has remained continent since new with Bluecol and latterly Comma super coldmaster blue coolant. The important thing is never to change it, as once any corrosion has used the suspended oxygen, it will cease. If you had a second failure, the head might need skimming?

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - Andrew-T

John, I don't think your TR7 will have done anything like 250k miles, so the OP's car has probably received many more top-ups. Also there are other things besides block and head visited by coolant during its daily hot circuit.

Your suggestion, if universally valid, should apply to any vehicle of 1980 vintage, but I have seen an early Clio with what looked like Windsor soup in the coolant reservoir - partly because the car's maintenance manual made no suggestion that coolant needed changing, which it clearly did. Or at least examining to check ?

Most 20th-century cars recommended coolant changes (perhaps more often than really necessary) for a good reason - that it degraded with time. The reservoir was also semi-transparent to make that more obvious. If nothing else, the antifreeze component doesn't last for ever.

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - edlithgow

You can probably get a definitive answer from Halfords if you can give them your registration number.

The basis for the definitive answer will, however, probably be forever unknown to anyone. and certanly unkown to Halfords.

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - Robert A Bradley

Many thanks for comments and suggestions so far. The original head has been successfully welded and skimmed twice and each time the repair was good until corrosion occurred in another similar area adjacent to the fire rings....here the original casting has a wall thickness of just a few mm.

I have always used aftermarket Comma Coldmaster and changed it every couple of years, but still the corrosion continues, despite the product being marketed as suitable for cast iron and aluminium engines.

The engine is now on it's second head, and the recent failure is identical to the others, that's why I posed the original question. I'll wait for further comment and then ask HJ.

RAB.

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - Andrew-T

I have always used aftermarket Comma Coldmaster and changed it every couple of years, but still the corrosion continues, despite the product being marketed as suitable for cast iron and aluminium engines.

The engine is now on it's second head, and the recent failure is identical to the others, that's why I posed the original question.

I suspect you may have identified the problem in your first post - acidic and alkaline requirements are essentially incompatible. Perhaps Ed can think of an effective non-ionic inert coolant medium ? Though given the high heat capacity of water it probably would be a poor coolant :-)

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - edlithgow

I don't understand the basis for coolant anti-corrosion package selection, and, from very brief recent research with a different objective, it seemed that the readily available published information wasn't likely to be specific enough to answer the OP's question.

VERY naively, I might look at "hybrid" anticorrosion packages (HOAT) which allegedly combine inorganic and organic anticorrosion additives, but I believe they are boh acids

Re thinking of "an effective non-ionic inert coolant medium",I suppose that'd be ethylene glycol in water, not unfortunately an option for me without extensive re-design.

I'm stuck with seawater, which...er...isnt really very non-ionic at all.

I understand my engine accomodates this as a coolant without disintegrating almost immediately (to the extent that it does) by the use of zinc anodes in the cooling passages.

Perhaps they would be useful in the OP's engine, if he could find anywhere to put them.

In that application, magnesium might be more effective.

https://www.anodeoutlet.co.uk/01303-zinc-anode-for-1gm-6ly3-yanmar-engines-27210.html

Edited by edlithgow on 27/11/2024 at 23:05

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - edlithgow

When I was choosing an antifreeze primarily as a rot-treatment, but also to flush my seawater cooling system for storage, I came across this

www.ryeoil.co.uk/shop/classic-antifreeze/

Inorganic acid technology (IAT) antifreeze, also known as fully formulated coolant, is a traditional type of coolant that contains ethylene glycol, phosphates, and silicates. It’s usually green or blue in colour and is often used in older vehicles, particularly those manufactured before the late 1990s. This antifreeze is designed to protect cast iron, brass, copper, and aluminium parts in older vehicles, and it also contains supplemental coolant additives (SCA) to prevent engine lining corrosion. The Classic antifreeze employs established inhibitor technology and is nitrite, amine and phosphate (NAP) free and includes borate and silicate.

This seems to imply that "traditional" IAT stuff, often described (by Halfords, for example) as "Silicate", would be recommended for the OP's use, and I'd guess that's probably what he's using, but apparently it isn't very good.

Thats what I used too,(as concentrate) though for a different couple of applications.

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - focussed

With almost 250k miles under it's wheels, my poor Nova has suffered another head gasket failure due to erosion of the waterways in the Alloy Cylinder Head.

The recommended antifreeze has a hard job balancing the alkali factor to protect the cast iron block, and an acidic factor to protect the alloy head.

Is there a better choice of modern antifreeze formula that can protect both of these differing materials? It was easy when engines were all cast iron, or nowadays with all alloy construction. Sadly I've got the worst of both worlds.

Mannol AG13 looks to be a reasonable choice, but getting a definitive answer from published data is proving difficult.

R.A.B.

I have to ask what mix of antifreeze/water you have been using.

50/50 antifreeze / deionised water is the optimal mix you should be using..

Less than 50/50 concentration will result in long term dissimilar metals corrosion problems.

The primary reason to use anti freeze is for the anti corrosion function, the secondary function is to stop freezing in cold conditions.

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - edlithgow

The primary reason to use anti freeze is for the anti corrosion function, the secondary function is to stop freezing in cold conditions.

Er, no. To the (limited in the UK, since you need both) extent that primary and secondary function has meaning, other way around, pretty much by definition. Hence the name.

You can get anti-corrosion coolant, that I understand has no antifreeze function, and I considered buying some in Taiwan, where I had no need of antifreeze.

Didn't do it because I'd never heard of the stuff, (claimed to be German, suspicious in itself). I believe the genuine article does exist though,

Vauxhall Nova 1200. 1989 - Antifreeze Choice - Andrew-T

<< 50/50 antifreeze / deionised water is the optimal mix you should be using.. Less than 50/50 concentration will result in long term dissimilar metals corrosion problems. >>

I suspect diluting concentrate with deionised water may be more important than you think, especially if the alternative is hard tap water. I'm not convinced that 50/50 strength is needed to prevent corrosion, and it certainly isn't to prevent freezing unless your car experiences arctic conditions.