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Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - peckythepirate

Recently my brakes started behaving strange. If I braked hard the car seem to go ok but it was obviouly dragging on the brakes because the fuel consumption started falling on the computer read out, but once home and left overnight the car drove fine the next day with consumption rising again, I thought it might be my brakes calipers sticking on, so I replaced all 4 calipers, and its been fine for about two weeks, then I braked hard again the other day and the same thing started happening with the consumption falling. are there any reasons that this maybe happening aprt fri sticky brake calipers?

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - edlithgow

From your description you dont seem to have had any actual evidence that the brakes were at fault before replacing all 4 calipers, and since that replacement didn't change things, that tends to contraindicate brake involvement, though it remains a possibility. .

There could be other reasons for "falling fuel consumption" (by which I assume you mean "rising fuel consumption" since that is what dragging brakes would cause}, probably involving the engine, such as a misfire or a vacuum leak.

An OBD2 scanner might give some error code stylee clues, though by most accounts they are likely to be rather Delphic ones.

I have no experience with modern engine diagnostics and wouldn't much want any. On my sort of simple car I'd probably check valve clearances, ignition timing, do a compression check, and have a look at the plugs.

You might be able to detect brake dragging by jacking up each corner and seeeing how freely the wheel goes round. If you buy or borrow an IR thermometer (not expensive) you could perhaps tell if one hub got hot after a drive.

You could get brake dragging because a disk was out of alignment, perhaps because of rust on the seating surface, or a hub bearing going bad.

tw.forumosa.com/t/old-black-hands-checking-in-agai...d

It could also be that one of your brake hoses has collapsed internally and is acting as a non-return valve, keeping the pad applied for some time after you release the brake pedal. This could be tested via the brake bleeder, using a syringe bi-directionally, though ABS (which I have no experience of either) might complicate this.

Edited by edlithgow on 08/10/2024 at 09:42

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - blindspot

you need ti find out which wheel is sticking. when was the brake fluid last changed

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - edlithgow

you need ti find out which wheel is sticking. when was the brake fluid last changed

As above, there is no evidence reported so far that ANY wheel is sticking, though it could be.

And its a fair bet that the brake fluid was changed recently, along with all 4 calipers.

Edited by edlithgow on 08/10/2024 at 09:34

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - gordonbennet

Not familiar with the brake design on that vehicle, when the calipers were replaced were the sliders cleaned and lubed correctly on reassembly.

As above, a laser thermometer is cheap and useful for many things including this, try and drive on the open road for some distance and choose a stopping point preferably uphill or somewhere you can bring the the vehicle almost to a complete halt without touching the brakes, if there's a brake dragging sufficiently it shoudl be clear even without a thermometer if you put your fingers near (don't touch it) the brake/hub assembly.

You've checked presumably the park brake is fully releasing, same check as above.

Last serious dragging brake i saw was on the rear of a Mazda 5, so much brake material was transferred onto the wheel it proved impossible to remove using all my wheel cleaning chemicals, yet the owner hadn't a clue until i mentioned, water splashed onto the rear disc boiled straight off.

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - edlithgow

OP, if, on investigation, you find one or more of your brake disks are seriously hot, don't go splashing water on them.

They might warp.

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - edlithgow

Having re-read this, I now think that the OP is assuming brake involvement because he gets a sudden rise in fuel consumption, which I assume is continuously displayed, after firmly applying the brakes.

I didn’t realise this on first reading, probably because I’ve never had a car capable of displaying "instantaneous"fuel consumption

Hence my(probably incorrect) comments that there is no evidence of brake involvement.

This interpretation would seem to exclude parking brake involvement.

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - edlithgow

As well as the hose acting as non-return possibility already mentioned, sticky/corroded slider pins (which, with a pro job, .might not be replaced with the calipers and might not be cleaned or lubricated either) might cause a hang-up.

I clean these with aluminium foil, apply silicone grease, and wrap with PTFE thread tape.

(The last PTFE is unconventional and optional. See argy-bargy and linked picture in other recent thread)

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/198391/kia-cee-d--...r

The brake calipers I'm familiar with incorporate the ledges on which the brake pads mount, and would normally be supplied with new stainless steel mounting clips on which they slide, so hang-up there with new calipers would be unlikely

I dont use any "wet" lubricant on these sliding surfaces, instead rubbing the SS clip surfaces with a 2B graphite pencil and wrapping the pad ears with PTFE tape, but some people use antiseize or brake grease here.

I dont do that because it attracts brake dust clogging which can prevent free pad movement.

I do rust treat the calipers to prevent rust jacking of the pad clips jamming the pads long term. This wont happen for some time with new calipers

Edited by edlithgow on 13/10/2024 at 14:43

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - edlithgow

Another possibility for locking up brakes would be excessive grease on the slider pins causing build up of pressure behind the wee rubber boot things.

Mentioned by Mr O during the fairly uninteresting brake job below, about 7.5 minutes in.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOPVBXLyQwY

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - peckythepirate

This an update on my car brakes, since posting I have checked all brake sliders and all were working fine but to be sure all has been cleaned out and regreased with fresh silicone grease, I have replaced the drivers side front brake hose and carried on with trips but the symtoms came back again after some harsh braking so I've discounted rhs front and now changed the lhs front brake hose, as of yet nothing as happened but its still early days since the change and I have not had much use of car since. will update as I go along.

Kia Sorento KX2 2011 - braking - edlithgow

Thanks for the update