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Used Estate Recommendation - ac87
Hi, I’m looking for a used estate. Requirements below:

- Budget 15-20k
- Family car as we have 2 children
- Petrol as mainly driving short journeys
- Prefer automatic
- Preferably less than 4 years old and under 40k miles

Having done a bit of research, I narrowed it down to either a Škoda Octavia Estate, Škoda Superb Estate or Mazda 6 Estate. Currently got my eye on something like these:

www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/make/model/details/8f6f1...3?

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202406261128806

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202405209887351

Should I be avoiding any engines in particular?

It’d be great to get your thoughts and recommendations.

Thanks!


Edited by ac87 on 27/06/2024 at 18:57

Used Estate Recommendation - badbusdriver

Don't think there is any problems with any of these engines, but I would have some misgivings about the DSG in both Skoda's. They aren't as tolerant of abuse as the torque converter auto in the Mazda. Having said that, I'd assume (not 100% sure though) the 2.0 TSI would be mated to the more robust wet clutch version of the DSG.

Both Skoda's have a bigger boot and the Superb (possibly the Octavia too) has more rear seat space that the 6, and both would be more efficient. And ignoring the DSG, I'd expect both Skoda's to be reliable otherwise (if not as reliable as the Mazda) but personally, it would be the Mazda for me out of those three.

Used Estate Recommendation - SLO76
The big Mazda is a nice thing, but unless it was you who bought it it’s no longer an option. I wouldn’t buy either of the DSG auto Skoda’s unless you’re willing to fund an extended manufacturer backed warranty to cover your full ownership term. The DSG box does not have a great reputation for longevity, though the two you’re looking at here will have the more robust wet clutch type. There are still too many failures reported with them.

I was recently looking with a similar list of wants and the Mazda 6, Skoda Octavia and Superb estates were all on my list, but finding a good manual Superb estate was sadly not possible and I wasn’t willing to risk my own money on anything with a DSG or Powershift automated manual gearbox.

I ended up with a Merc C200 Estate, which isn’t a car that initially interested me. I just couldn’t find a good petrol family estate with a reliable gearbox that had a full service record and had no poor quality cheapo paint repairs or mileage discrepancies. Buying a used car is a nightmare today thanks to almost every new car being taken on a PCP or lease so the first keeper doesn’t own it and tends to be disinterested in spending money servicing and repairing them correctly.

I’d take a petrol Mazda 6 with a manual or auto, the Skoda’s and VW Passat estates were on my list in manual form only. The 2.0 diesels and later belt driven 1.4 TSi petrols are the ones to have as the 1.6 diesels are more susceptible to EGR and DPF related problems for some reason.
Used Estate Recommendation - veloceman
I know not too popular on here.
I’m currently running a BMW 320i touring.
ZF gearbox is about as good as it gets.
After 3.5k miles currently averaging 44mpg.
No rattles or squeaks and with a decent specialist won’t be expensive to run.
Used Estate Recommendation - Adampr

If you don't do loads of miles, so MPG is not an absolute priority, you could consider a Subaru Levorg. I recently test drove an Impreza (a Levorg is an Impreza estate) and the driving experience was exceptional. You will find a load of reviews telling you the CVT transmission drones and over-revs. It doesn't, I just think Subaru are not paying the motoring press enough money.

Used Estate Recommendation - daveyjp
Testers also want to wring the neck of every vehicle. Subarus do 0-60 in about 10 secs, they aren’t quick so no need to rag them.

For normal every day use where 0-30 is more often typical the CVT is excellent. Instant pick up and false changes so it feels like TC auto.
Used Estate Recommendation - Heidfirst

out of interest why did you rule out a Toyota Corolla TS?

Used Estate Recommendation - Engineer Andy

out of interest why did you rule out a Toyota Corolla TS?

I would've thought that the current Corolla estate would be well worth it, assuming the boot was big enough. They (the latest Corolla generally) do command a high price on the second hand market though, probably because they (the hybrid autos especially) are well regarded and few want to part with them.

A shame that the out-of-production 1.2T never came in (CVT) auto form - whilst it wouldn't be swift, given Toyota's rep for reliability and durability, it would probably have been fine to own.

Perhaps an 3+yo 1.8 hybrid in lower to mid spec would do.

Used Estate Recommendation - Heidfirst

Perhaps an 3+yo 1.8 hybrid in lower to mid spec would do.

Depending upon one's driving style the drivetrain changes to the MY23 1.8 can make a significant difference.

But one can get a ~2 year old 2.0 Corolla TS with fairly low mileage within a £20k budget.

Used Estate Recommendation - ac87
Some really helpful responses here, thanks guys!

Škoda Superb/Oktavia Estate - Decided against these. Seeing some of the comments here about DSG reliability and having had issues in the past with a DSG gearbox in my previous car, it’s put me off them. If I was going with a manual, the Škoda’s would probably be one of my preferred options.

BMW 3/5 Series Touring - Decided against these. Reliable ZF gearbox is a big plus but I feel I can get more for my money with alternatives. Many also seem to suggest that servicing and maintenance can be quite expensive.

Subaru Levorg - Interesting rare outsider option which I hadn’t considered. Seems to have mixed reviews so unlikely to go with this one.

Toyota Corolla TS - Also hadn’t considered this, great suggestion as it ticks most boxes. Economical and reliable. I just don’t particularly like the look or the interior.

Mazda 6 Tourer - I feel drawn to this one. Looks nice (interior and exterior), reliable. Good spec for reasonable cost. Only downside is the 2.5 auto I linked above is apparently quite thirsty but I don’t see this as a deal breaker.

Most likely going to go with Mazda 6 Tourer unless someone gives me a good reason not to!
Used Estate Recommendation - badbusdriver
Most likely going to go with Mazda 6 Tourer unless someone gives me a good reason not to!

Maybe not exactly a good reason not to, but actually finding one itself is going be problematic. There are a grand total of five (2018 on) Mazda 6 Tourers nationwide on Autotrader with petrol engine and auto transmission!.

Re the Levorg, as someone who has previously owned a car with a CVT auto (which was absolutely superb), I am very familiar with the unjustified animosity shown towards this type of transmission. So my advice would be to try one yourself before writing it off.

I'll be honest, a Toyota Corolla with the 2.0 hybrid would be my preferred choice out of all mentioned. The Mazda is great looking car and very reliable, but as said, finding one is not going to be easy. But the Levorg would also definitely be on the cards for me.

Used Estate Recommendation - Engineer Andy
Most likely going to go with Mazda 6 Tourer unless someone gives me a good reason not to!

Maybe not exactly a good reason not to, but actually finding one itself is going be problematic. There are a grand total of five (2018 on) Mazda 6 Tourers nationwide on Autotrader with petrol engine and auto transmission!.

Re the Levorg, as someone who has previously owned a car with a CVT auto (which was absolutely superb), I am very familiar with the unjustified animosity shown towards this type of transmission. So my advice would be to try one yourself before writing it off.

I'll be honest, a Toyota Corolla with the 2.0 hybrid would be my preferred choice out of all mentioned. The Mazda is great looking car and very reliable, but as said, finding one is not going to be easy. But the Levorg would also definitely be on the cards for me.

Those Mazda 2.5 SA-G autos are like gold dust. You may find more 2L versions - from test driving one in a 3 (3rd gen) & CX-3 (they are tuned to a lower output at 120PS not 145 or 165PS in the bigger cars), they are fine performance-wise, nothing more. Very smooth power delivery though.

It's a shame Mazda don't offer (yet) the 6 and CX-5 with the Skyactiv-X 2L engine, which has essentially the same power / performance as the 2.5 SA-G, but under 'normal' loads would likely get about 20% better mpg.

The Real MPG figure of 39 for the Mazda6 (saloon version featured only) in manual 2.5L SA-G form isn't too bad, only a tad less than the 2L. The estate probably won't be that much less in comparison. The lack of 2.5L user data probably is due to being so few of them around.

Used Estate Recommendation - Big John
Toyota Corolla TS - Also hadn’t considered this, great suggestion as it ticks most boxes. Economical and reliable. I just don’t particularly like the look or the interior.

Also consider the Suzuki Swace same body/hybrid running gear as the Toyota Corolla TS but generally cheaper.

Used Estate Recommendation - Big John
Toyota Corolla TS - Also hadn’t considered this, great suggestion as it ticks most boxes. Economical and reliable. I just don’t particularly like the look or the interior.

Also consider the Suzuki Swace same body/hybrid running gear as the Toyota Corolla TS but generally cheaper.

My goodness the recent Toyota hybrid gubbins have moved on a bit. I test drove a 24 plate Suzuki Swace yesterday and wow I loved it. I was worried about me fitting it to drive (I'm - er big) but seat fully back, down and slightly reclined it was great for me. I rather liked it, very refined indeed even if you put your hoof down. Pulled really well and ride was excellent. After mixed driving when I got back it told me I'd done over 67 mpg on the journey. It's moved on from an early Prius I tried years ago that really moaned re engine when you accelerated. It's firmly on my list.

Used Estate Recommendation - SLO76
I would’ve had a Toyota Corolla Estate in a heartbeat, but wife dearest didn’t like it. It’s one of the best used cars you can currently buy. They’re easy to drive, utterly reliable, good on fuel and easy to sell on again. If it’s big enough for you I’d highly recommend one. The Mazda 6 is a good car with a petrol motor and auto but they’re rare. Rust on suspension components tends to be worse than other brands too, but it looks worse than it generally is when you look underneath. If you do buy one and intend on keeping it I’d have it undersealed by a professional, there’s usually someone nearby that does it.

The Corolla is available in far greater numbers however and will be cheaper to run. I found the lower spec 1.8 perfectly adequate, and I prefer the softer ride on the taller profile tyres, but the 2.0 is noticeably quicker and a bit grippier, it depends on your own wants and needs.
Used Estate Recommendation - Heidfirst
I found the lower spec 1.8 perfectly adequate, and I prefer the softer ride on the taller profile tyres, but the 2.0 is noticeably quicker and a bit grippier, it depends on your own wants and needs.

My understanding is that the 2.0 Icon (rare but they do exist s/h) still gets 16" wheels & the higher profile tyres. Of course it doesn't have the tsame toys of a Design/Excel etc. if there is anything on those that one must have.