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Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Orb>>

A very real problem arrived today for a friend in our little close shaped like a T ...

Friends car parked legally and cars parked on the footpath (where they should not be parked) and his car parked opposite. Bin Lorry cannot get down the road, so knocking on peoples doors to get them to move cars. Friend refused as had a few drinks for lunch.

"You won't get your bins emptied "

" I've been drinking can't drive..."

I agree he was totally right to not move it. no one else insured to drive it.

Edited by Orb>> on 07/06/2024 at 14:15

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Gerry Sanderson

Get dustbin man to retrieve keys, open car, push it clear lock up.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - badbusdriver

Get dustbin man to retrieve keys, open car, push it clear lock up.

Not dustbin man's responsibility.

But lets assume he did just that and inadvertently damaged the car, what then?

Lets also assume it was a Landrover Discovery 3. That is about 2.5 tonnes, which would be very difficult to push anyway (unless downhill).

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - FiestaOwner

Get dustbin man to retrieve keys, open car, push it clear lock up.

Not dustbin man's responsibility.

But lets assume he did just that and inadvertently damaged the car, what then?

Lets also assume it was a Landrover Discovery 3. That is about 2.5 tonnes, which would be very difficult to push anyway (unless downhill).

You're spot on BBD. Agree with you 100%.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - galileo

A very real problem arrived today for a friend in our little close shaped like a T ...

Friends car parked legally and cars parked on the footpath (where they should not be parked) and his car parked opposite. Bin Lorry cannot get down the road, so knocking on peoples doors to get them to move cars. Friend refused as had a few drinks for lunch.

"You won't get your bins emptied "

" I've been drinking can't drive..."

I agree he was totally right to not move it. no one else insured to drive it.

Who parked first, causing the problem, your friend or the illegal pavement parkers?

I'd guess they were the last to park, if you ( or bin truck driver) can contact a traffic warden who can be bothered to attend they could be taught common sense and manners.

Edited by galileo on 07/06/2024 at 15:29

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Adampr

"No-one else insured to drive it" sounds unlikely. The majority of people with fully comp insurance would have had third party cover.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - badbusdriver

While I do have some sympathy, it highlights again the oft overlooked problems resulting from the ever increasing size (particularly girth) of modern cars, certainly the ones people actually want.

I live on a narrow street with double parking, and since we moved here I have deliberately sought out the narrowest cars (which also fitted our needs at the time) in order not to make things worse. It is also one of the reasons I choose my current work vehicle, a Piaggio Porter which is about a foot narrower than a typical Focus sized car. But I seem to be very much in the minority when it comes to being as considerate as is possible, most people are only interested in getting what they want, regardless of whether it inconveniences others.

The move to completely ban (with no flexibility due to circumstances) pavement parking is also a problem on plenty of streets. While I am absolutely in favour of penalising people who needlessly park on the pavement and block it completely, there should be some flexibility if the road is very narrow and the cars are not completely blocking the pavement. For example I used to park my VW Caddy van with the width of the n/s tyres on the pavement. This doesn't inconvenience pedestrians or wheelchair users as there is still more than enough space for them, but it also effectively made the Caddy about 8" narrower from the perspective of road traffic. House across from us is currently empty, but the folk who lived there had a medium sized Merc SUV which, if both it and our car were both parked, meant the bin lorry couldn't get down. So even after the payment parking ban officially came into force here, I would still put the n/s tyres of the car up on to the pavement on bin day before going to work. I may start doing so again once somebody else moves in across the road, or move the car to an adjacent (and much wider) street.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - leaseman

I do not think that is the case any more. I have fully comprehensive insurance, but I am specifically excluded from driving any other car at all. Bulldog cover.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - bathtub tom

"No-one else insured to drive it" sounds unlikely. The majority of people with fully comp insurance would have had third party cover.

Have you checked yours lately? I find it's not a 'given', like many people assume.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Adampr

"No-one else insured to drive it" sounds unlikely. The majority of people with fully comp insurance would have had third party cover.

Have you checked yours lately? I find it's not a 'given', like many people assume.

I have, and I'm covered. I've never not had it, possibly as I have cover for business use so they just bundle it in.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Andrew-T

I agree he was totally right to not move it. no one else insured to drive it.

IMHO rather a silly story. There may be two reasons not to move the car - [a] I am too incapable to do it, [b] I can't be bothered to. If the former, maybe a wise decision ; if the latter, rather antisocial regarding everyone else's bins being emptied. I wouldn't have thought the task of moving a familiar vehicle (a few?) yards at a slow speed was a major deterrent in those circs. But that is only the opinion of a moderate drinker.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - gordonbennet

Not so sure the problem is the parked car, unless the bin men work nights where you live....if you catch my drift.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - blindspot

move the bin instead. just walk them up the road a bit

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Orb>>

Going back to the car parked mostly on the pavement That was causing the obstruction....

Does nobody think of the ijiot who blocked access .?

Personally I can't wait for pavement parking to be banned as in London.

At night there are often 4 cars badly parked on that bit of pavement completely obstructing it.


Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - paul 1963

ORB, am I missing something? Your drunk friends car was the one blocking the road, the cars ( illegally) parking on the pavement weren't.

Andrew is quite correct, another silly story....

Edited by paul 1963 on 07/06/2024 at 19:07

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Orb>>

ORB, am I missing something? Your drunk friends car was the one blocking the road, the cars ( illegally) parking on the pavement weren't.

Andrew is quite correct, another silly story....

The drunk friends car was legally parked. If the other car had not been parked opposite and illegally parked it wouldn't have happened. Full stop.

Silly.

I agree totally especially when they could have parked legally in front or behind the other.

But just another example of don'tcareitis...

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - FiestaOwner
Friends car parked legally and cars parked on the footpath (where they should not be parked) and his car parked opposite. Bin Lorry cannot get down the road, so knocking on peoples doors to get them to move cars. Friend refused as had a few drinks for lunch.

"You won't get your bins emptied "

" I've been drinking can't drive..."

I agree he was totally right to not move it. no one else insured to drive it.

If the bin lorry can't fit down the street, then neither can a Fire Engine!! Don't need to spell out the consequences.

If the binmen complain that this is a common problem in your street, then the council are liable to paint double yellow lines everywhere (or make it a residents parking zone and charge residents for permits).

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - focussed

This highlights the ridiculous UK insurance rules about who can drive what car, when ,and if, there is an R in the month etc. blah blah blah.

"In Europe, your car, not the driver, will be insured which means everybody may drive it. Please keep in mind the following conditions: The insurance coverage applies to every person of more than 21 years of age and a premium surcharge of 25% will be charged for people under 25 years of age. Of course, the driver needs to have a valid driver’s license"

www.tourinsure.de/en/international-motor-insurance...e

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Falkirk Bairn

I have driven, for very short distances, quite a few neighbours' cars.

I live on a hill at a curve in the road . The road is at it's steepest.

Fact of life is people get stuck, especially RWD, when we have some snow - road can become single track, and on the odd occasion blocked (2010/11 winter) in persistent snowfall.

People get stuck, block my drive and the road and want to leave it & walk home - I used to offer to help after they fail to take advice

Reverse to the less steep / level road " slow progress in say 3rd - works most of the time.

The uninitiated do not listen, low gear, rev like ...... and grind to a halt.

Nowadays after 60 years driving, I just tell them to park up at the bottom and walk the whole way home.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - catsdad

If you are insured to drive other cars it’s still only third party and if the driven car is insured in its own right. Regulars on here will know this but casual readers may not.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Grenache

If the bin lorry can't fit down the street, then neither can a Fire Engine!! Don't need to spell out the consequences.

If a fire engine attends an emergency, they won't care about trashing any parked cars in their way. I've seen it happen, 12 cars badly damaged, one probably a write-off. And the owner's insurance wold have to cover it.

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - FiestaOwner

If the bin lorry can't fit down the street, then neither can a Fire Engine!! Don't need to spell out the consequences.

If a fire engine attends an emergency, they won't care about trashing any parked cars in their way. I've seen it happen, 12 cars badly damaged, one probably a write-off. And the owner's insurance wold have to cover it.

Still adds vital minutes to the response time.

Would the owner's insurance really cover it, if they were parked, blocking the road?

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Falkirk Bairn

Many decades ago I worked in a Glasgow Office - the block was 4 storeys and at the other end 5 storeys & a basement. Standing at the window I saw somebody jump - 5 storeys + basement and a sudden stop.

Colleague standing next to me phoned 999. Police there in minutes, ambulance arrived 2 minutes later was sent away by Police.

The lane at the back of the office had cars bumped up on the kerbs with double yellows, the lane was not narrow but parked cars made passing difficult for Transit vans and above.

The Police could do nothing for the man and were waiting on a mortuary van to uplift the body.

So as not to waste time - the 2 x policemen walked along the road booking about 10 cars illegally parked as they were blocking access.

What the 2 policemen saw would make most of us feel very ill - hardened Glasgow Bobbies could then go off an issue parking tickets.

Would that happen today?

Hic... - Moving a car while intoxicated. - Engineer Andy

A very real problem arrived today for a friend in our little close shaped like a T ...

Friends car parked legally and cars parked on the footpath (where they should not be parked) and his car parked opposite. Bin Lorry cannot get down the road, so knocking on peoples doors to get them to move cars. Friend refused as had a few drinks for lunch.

"You won't get your bins emptied "

" I've been drinking can't drive..."

I agree he was totally right to not move it. no one else insured to drive it.

Forgive me for asking, but exactly how long is this 'close'? The 20yo housing development where I live has always had bad pinch points due to its design, but there's nothing to stop the bin men (and one bin lady - who is mostly better at her job [food waste collection] that her male colleagues because she does what she's supposed to do) jogging a bit further down the road and wheeling the bins back to the area where the lorry can get to.

It would probably take them an extra 30 seconds per two bins (normally how much one bin man can pull). Even better if residents helped by wheeling the bins down near to the lorry and bringing them back in after emptying.

That's assuming the bin crews aren't militant and compromise with residents in such a situation. We often have similar problems with delivery vans blocking the road - including those from postie who has likely toodled off down the other end of the development on his round (no little trolleys any more for them). The bin lorry driver often just drives over the (our, not the council's) grass, and on two occasions destroyed road name signs (£500 each to refit at out expense).

Ta-da!