What is life like with your car? Let us know and win £500 in John Lewis vouchers | No thanks
Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - NickosWirral

Because I've only recently and unwillingly and accidentally been thrust in to the world of buying two new cars, I've only just noticed how they seem to be sold these days. It seems to me that everything is around the 'infotainment'.

Also, and don't get me wrong, I abhor mobile phone use at the wheel, but I can't see how these large interactive touch screens are any less distracting. We bought a Skoda Scala before Christmas, and as a car I absolutely love it, but this screen is so distracting and you have to 'see' the screen to access the basic controls whereby in an older car you could usually grope around for the buttons to change the radio etc whilst keeping your eyes on the road. I am starting to find the sheer weight of this tech overwhelming (and I am a software engineer by trade), and I'm longing for the basic dashboard and car of twenty years ago. Surely I can't be the only one?

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - bathtub tom

I bought a Yaris back in 2014, that's got very few 'bells and whistles'. The most 'techy' items are the bluetooth and leccy front windows.

No cruise, EPB, lane assist, auto braking, wipers or lights. No DRLs even.

I'm dreading replacing it!

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - sajid

I bought a Yaris back in 2014, that's got very few 'bells and whistles'. The most 'techy' items are the bluetooth and leccy front windows.

No cruise, EPB, lane assist, auto braking, wipers or lights. No DRLs even.

I'm dreading replacing it!

Same here yaris 2015 plate diesel very simple car changed the dip lights and the drl which were actually halogen bulbs 5 min job to change twist and pull

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - Andrew-T

I am with you 100% - but that may be largely because I learnt to live first with 1960s cars. Back then even car radios were a bit of a novelty, and to this day I never feel the need to add noise while driving.

For about 20 years advances in car design have been increasingly in styling and new (often unnecessary) gizmos. Styling trends have led to rising waistlines with consequential reduced visibility, which then called for built-in cameras to help the driver see out.

All this is one (only one !) reason why our two cars are now 15 and 32 years old respectively.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - RT

I agree with the OP - I bought a new VW Touareg in 2015, even then it had the least intrusive "infotainment" centres of the short listed alternatives - at least it still had buttons/switches for almost everything even though some were duplicated on the touchscreen.

Since then I've looked at more modern alternatives and don't like what I see so the Touareg is a "keeper" - I know that sooner or later something expensive will go wrong but I have a nice big savings pot because it's cost virtually nothing in repairs so far.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - movilogo

you have to 'see' the screen to access the basic controls whereby in an older car you could usually grope around for the buttons to change the radio etc whilst keeping your eyes on the road.

It is just how the technology has progressed. But I do admit sometimes manufacturers make it easier for them rather than for consumers. One glaring example is Tesla where everything screen driven. Latest Model 3 does not even have any shifter! One needs to swipe up or down on screen to select D or R.

Not all tech is bad though. I enjoy adaptive cruise control. Voice control, while still patchy, improved a lot and many functions can be accessed by voice - without taking eyes off the road.

Even if you are taking eyes off the road momentarily (for whatever reason) the lane keeping assist or auto emergency brake are insurance policies.

Younger generation would not buy cars with no tech (if they can afford cars with newer tech).

We still have choices. While some features are now mandatory (e.g. DRL etc.) for other features we still have options to choose a car which we like.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - nellyjak

Me too....started driving in the '60's....and although my wife has a Yaris Y20 with all the gizmos and gadgets (which she loves) I'm far happier in my 20 year old V6 Estima which has a Garmin satnav and a dash cam as the only additions.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - barney100
What is the 32 year old?
Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - Andrew-T
What is the 32 year old?

It's the Pug 205 with 1.4 petrol and manual choke :-)) which I keep rabbiting on about. Bought a year ago from the original owner at 77K miles with complete paper history. It has had new driveshafts and ball joints as the originals were sounding their age a little. Because it does no short journeys I am getting 54-55 mpg, so with classic-car insurance I am happy ....

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - barney100
I don’t like big screens with most of the car run from it either. My 15 year old Volvo has only the radio screen, every thing else is manual, with a bit of practise you can find everything keeping your peepers on the road ahead.
Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - madf

Passed test in 1967.

Would love an EV: when cheaper /better serviced with chargers.

Till then old tech for me..By time everything is sorted I am likely to need auto pilot:-)

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - elekie&a/c doctor
I have 3 vehicles over 10 years old. Everything can be operated by touch/ feel without any media screen involvement. I’m sure it won’t be long before the horn function will be put into the touch screen menu , so you’ll need to operate it 5 mins before any hazard.
Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - Steveieb

If Renault go down the route of everything being controlled by touchscreen, it should be interesting as their cars have an annoying habit of screen freezing up.

See my post on technical where I have been forced to sort of ways to reboot the screen, which seems to be a common failure on Capturs and Kadjers .

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - FoxyJukebox
Now that I’m very much the wrong side of 75 I find it absolutely 100% necessary to give every level of concentration to not only my driving but also those in front of me , behind and all around. I never forget there are 17 year olds who don’t like driving slowly and whose reactions and behaviours are different to mine.
In a nutshell-the less I have do and see in front of me on the dash the BETTER.
Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - gordonbennet

I was admiring a new Outback a few weeks ago, not really interested because the thing is ridiculously huge, my 120 series LWB Prado now has quite a small footprint compared to such vehicles.

The owner happened to be a Subaru sales chap who wasted no time in telling me about the electronic safety features it had, 'eyesight' being the Subaru system.

I hadn't the heart to tell him i have no interest whatsoever in all of this so called safety electronic tat, the trucks i drive are stuffed to the gills with such things and it all leaves me cold, the one thing that should be useful AEBS i've had to modify my driving (cutting in closer, fantastic advance that is, not) to stop the system slamming the brakes on for no reason at all in chicane type situations, among other tat the new truck will have an electric park brake, another answer to a question no one asked...the very last thing i want is my own vehicles stuffed with pointless stuff that doesn't do the job its supposed to, will annoy SWMBO and i constantly and will inevitably go expensively wrong.

Deskilling (dumbing down) drivers of all vehicle types by having the vehicle do the driving for them does not end well now and won't end any better the more garbage they chuck on.

Next year all trucks going into London will have to have new AI blind spot cameras, that's another £1000 or so (and they're forever going wrong) added to the cost of each vehicle which will be added to all our food etc bills.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - Adampr

Most VAG infotainment you can just press a button and it goes away to be replaced with a clock.

I don't think all this stuff will disappear anytime soon, though. It's much cheaper to put everything in a £50 tablet stuck to the dash than it is to have hundreds of components and complicated wiring.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - NickosWirral

The deskilling point is a big one, and surely more than anywhere else it must be the case in the HGV or passenger world. In some vehicles I have been tes driving I feel so disconnected find what I'm doing until I realise I'm doing 85mph without realising it. It adds a lot of needless cost. Also, can't this level of innovation be applied to making vehicles utterly dependable and reliable? I have friends who would refuse to look at a used car without Apple Car play. I don't even know what that is!

Sure, lots of us must want this gadgetry, but I feel I'm paying an awful lot of money for junk I resent having in my vehicle. Certainly on 2023 models there seems to be no option to deselect it!

Maybe I shouldn't grumble. The low budget for my next vehicle will keep me out of a lot of those gizmos anyway :)

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - Adampr

You have our friends at EuroNCAP to thank for all the pointless beeps and interventions. That's why Dacias get low 'safety' scores - they don't have all.of the gubbins.

As for Apple Car Play, it allows.you to connect your phone to the infotainment. It's only really necessary because the infotainment systems are so bad that they are best used as a screen for a phone.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - NickosWirral

Our outgoing leased Qashqai would randomly emergency brake in no risk situations. Empty toad ahead, brake, car pulls out 10 seconds on front, brakes. Back to basics for me. The Qashqai we had before it did the same. Occasionally they woild aggressive beep suggesting indicating a collision risk which would usually cause a panicked human performed emergency brake for absolutely no reason. I'd love to know how many accidents this junk has prevented. It's be hard to objectively measure as drivers will be adapting to the safety net and not driving to the conditions as they might have once done.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - Dave N
I bought a Jimny LCV a couple of years ago. Refreshingly analogue, although it does have a couple of useless features - lane warning and auto lights. Its been properly rustproofed, so should last many years, and spares are guaranteed to be around for ever. Sure, its no motorway cruiser, but it gets me where I want to go.
Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - kiss (keep it simple)

I hired a Tesla model S for the day as a present for my daughter's 18th birthday. She couldn't drive it but we managed very well, she was the systems operator and I was the pilot. Just make sure you always have a second person with you and you will be fine. On a more serious note, voice command makes a lot of sense, which I presume must be available on these high-tech cars.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - badbusdriver

I hired a Tesla model S for the day as a present for my daughter's 18th birthday. She couldn't drive it but we managed very well, she was the systems operator and I was the pilot. Just make sure you always have a second person with you and you will be fine. On a more serious note, voice command makes a lot of sense, which I presume must be available on these high-tech cars.

I do hope you made full use of the built in "whoopi cushion"

;-)

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - mcb100
Being in the car is a fairly tedious experience, so give me as many gadgets as you can.
I’ll use the ones that entertain or assist and, once I’ve tried it all, I’ll ignore what I don’t see a use for.
Just because a car has a non-compulsory feature doesn’t mean you have to use them.

Voice command is improving enormously, especially in cars with the Android Automotive operating system (not Android Auto, that’s basically screen mirroring).
You’ve suddenly got voice access to Google, and features will vary in access depending whether you’re driving or stationary.

Edited by mcb100 on 29/12/2023 at 20:30

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - Andrew-T
Being in the car is a fairly tedious experience, so give me as many gadgets as you can..

I understand that spending hours on a motorway,can be tedious, especially in heavy traffic or poor weather, and that some people have to endure that fairly often. But if you are not pressed for time you can avoid motorways (I think they perform a useful function in reducing traffic on other roads) thereby having a more interesting road to drive on.

Now and then I drive from Cheshire to Aylesbury to visit my daughter, which can be done mostly on A51 and A5. On a good day that can be quite a pleasant drive - no M'way at all.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - RT
Being in the car is a fairly tedious experience, so give me as many gadgets as you can..

I understand that spending hours on a motorway,can be tedious, especially in heavy traffic or poor weather, and that some people have to endure that fairly often. But if you are not pressed for time you can avoid motorways (I think they perform a useful function in reducing traffic on other roads) thereby having a more interesting road to drive on.

Now and then I drive from Cheshire to Aylesbury to visit my daughter, which can be done mostly on A51 and A5. On a good day that can be quite a pleasant drive - no M'way at all.

Living in Tamworth, I've used both the A51 and A5 a lot over the last 50 years - neither has "good days" any more although they weren't too bad when I first moved here in the '70s.

Off-peak, a vital proviso, means that most motorways allow cruising at the speed limit without any issues.

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - FiestaOwner

this screen is so distracting and you have to 'see' the screen to access the basic controls whereby in an older car you could usually grope around for the buttons to change the radio etc whilst keeping your eyes on the road. I am starting to find the sheer weight of this tech overwhelming (and I am a software engineer by trade), and I'm longing for the basic dashboard and car of twenty years ago. Surely I can't be the only one?

Never been in a Scala, but I do have a 2019 Seat Ibiza. I think the Infotainment systems will be similar in both cars.

I set the display between the speedo and rev counter to show the current radio station.

I set the central infotainment screen to show the Vehicle screen (i.e. MPG, Distance travelled, mileage to empty etc). This screen isn't bright and doesn't distract.

I use the steering wheel controls to adjust the volume and to change radio stations. I have voice controls which I use to switch between DAB, USB and Radio. The voice control is activated by a button on the steering wheel.

The heater has its own separate knobs and buttons.

So I don't need to access the touch screen while driving. What do you need to access through the touch screen while driving?

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - martin.mc

As mentioned before, Dacias have the bare minimum of this electronic junk. My 2021 Duster has an ignition key, a proper handbrake and old fashioned controls for the heating and ventilation. The touch screen is just for the radio and Sat Nav. Agree with the OP 100%.

Edited by martin.mc on 30/12/2023 at 06:58

Does anybody want a car to just be a car anymore? - jchinuk

I must admit I like some 'modern' features, I find the reversing camera great, but have never used the self-parking feature, I simply don't trust it, yet I realise that is illogical.

I have an 'iPad' in the centre of the dashboard, but only use the arrows next to the speedo for sat nav directions.

The extra tech that you don't notice is the best, like a really good butler!