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Any - the ugly stick - gordonbennet

Noticed how well received the latest Suzuki Swift has been among a few of us here, not exactly enthralled by its looks, someone mentioned the Renault Laguna and how facelifts can sometimes be to a model's detriment.

Taken to extremes these facelifts can lead to the ending of what where up to then well loved long lived cars, the one that springs immediately to mind is Granada morphing into Scorpio, looks only a mother could love.

Any others where the facelift did the model no favours?

Any - the ugly stick - Xileno

Aygo - went from being an attractive simple and neat design to something else. Not sure if it was a facelift or a new model though. Either way it's not as nice IMO.

Any - the ugly stick - Adampr

The Scorpio was an absolute stinker. I remember being staggered at the time that someone could design something so bad.

The other one the springs to mind is the mid to late 90s when Rover suddenly decided.it would be a good idea to start sticking fake chrome grilles on the very handsome R8 200 (and the 400 and 800).

And again in the early 2000s when they took the quite classy looking 75 and tried to make it look modern.

I remember the late 90s Toyota Celica with four headlights wasn't well received either. Now I think about it, the Honda Prelude when they removed the pop-up lights and put the big square ones in too.

I think there are a lot!

Edited by Adampr on 07/12/2023 at 22:07

Any - the ugly stick - JonestHon

Prius Mk3 vs Mk2 - the Mk3 is not a looker, mk2 and mk4 on the other hand are nice and pretty respectively.

The latest Civic vs previous shapes.

Lexus IS from 2013 took a really handom car at the mk2 and turned it to a chissled mess of lines and creases.

Most Lexus grills vs older models, most modern Beemers vs the E39.

Jazz mk2 was the best looker of that model.

Any - the ugly stick - Random

Prius Mk3 vs Mk2 - the Mk3 is not a looker, mk2 and mk4 on the other hand are nice and pretty respectively.

MK4 is the ugly one. MK5 is the best, albeit expensive.

Any - the ugly stick - Big John

The Scorpio was an absolute stinker. I remember being staggered at the time that someone could design something so bad.

Oh I'd forgotten about the later Scorpio. I remember the earlier Granada Scorpio before the bug eyed "improvements". I drove a 2.8 auto as a company car for a while which was lovely although you had to be careful of the cruise control. If resume was engaged it would get you back up to the original speed as quickly as possible even if it involved kicking down two gears.

Any - the ugly stick - UCB
Ford Focus mark 2.
Any - the ugly stick - Big John

I don't like the "Angry Birds" look of the lights (especially rear) on many recent models. In my eyes Ugly! - eg Skoda Octavia.

Edited by Big John on 07/12/2023 at 22:29

Any - the ugly stick - craig-pd130

The W210 E-class Mercs that replaced the W124s. As Jeremy Clarkson pointed out, the headlights looked as if someone had poked a pencil up the car's bottom.

Any - the ugly stick - gordonbennet

One of my own cars suffered this, thankfully not too badly but didn't do the front any favours though the rear end did improve slightly with new light treatment.

We have the SG9 Subaru Forester regd 2008, the pre facelift SG5 finished around 2006 and had a most attractive front section, they sort of tried to Audi it a bit with the grille extending down below the bumper and someone decided late version Laguna lights would be a good idea.

Here hopefully are the two versions, the older version firs, both are XT's with the bonnet scoop same as ours

www.imcdb.org/vehicle_1435107-Subaru-Forester-SG5-...l

www.vladtime.ru/automedia/734051

Very difficult to find images of standard cars.

The one that has always bugged me is the Lexus 460 2008 on, in my mind one of the most quietly handsome large saloons ever made, yet they saw reason to stick some hideous grill on when they offered hybrid versions absolutely ruining the car in the process.

Any - the ugly stick - John F

I think it's because stylists now cater for the large Asian, especially Chinese, market. Curvy cars which are beautiful to western eyes do not convey the movement and dynamism that the sharp points, angles and diagonals of feng shui do. I think that's why so many car fronts now look horribly aggressive in contrast to the smiley Austins of the 1950s and the sexy E-types and Ferraris of the 60s.

Any - the ugly stick - Ian_SW

Skoda did it twice with the Octavia.

The original Mk2 Octavia looked looked fairly decent if a little bland.

For the Mk2 Octavia facelift, they replaced perfectly decent front lights some strange blobby ones, and replaced the very normal wing mirrors with some which were massively too big.

Both those changes were effectively reversed when the Mk3 came out, which had very similar lights and mirrors to the original Mk2.

Then the Mk3 face-lift came along a few years later and made the headlights really ugly again with a strange split-lens design. They left the wing mirrors alone that time though.

Any - the ugly stick - badbusdriver

The original Mk2 Octavia looked looked fairly decent if a little bland.

Surely the MK2 Octavia wasn't the original?

;-)

Any - the ugly stick - mcb100
‘Surely the MK2 Octavia wasn't the original?’

Depends on how far back you’re looking. ŠKODA produced an Octavia between 1959 and 1971 :).
Any - the ugly stick - davecooper

I had an original Octavia in the early 70's, before I was old enough to drive. A friend of my Mums gave it to me to play with and learn about car mechanics. Seemed great at the time but not a design classic :-)

Any - the ugly stick - Adampr

Skoda did it twice with the Octavia.

The original Mk2 Octavia looked looked fairly decent if a little bland.

For the Mk2 Octavia facelift, they replaced perfectly decent front lights some strange blobby ones, and replaced the very normal wing mirrors with some which were massively too big.

Both those changes were effectively reversed when the Mk3 came out, which had very similar lights and mirrors to the original Mk2.

Then the Mk3 face-lift came along a few years later and made the headlights really ugly again with a strange split-lens design. They left the wing mirrors alone that time though.

They did it with the Impreza too. First generation was a nice clean looking thing, second generation had enormous weird headlights.

Any - the ugly stick - John F

The W210 E-class Mercs that replaced the W124s. As Jeremy Clarkson pointed out, the headlights looked as if someone had poked a pencil up the car's bottom.

Also, the side view of the short lived Chrysler Crossfire Coupe reminded him of a dog having a poo. Any other deprecatory comparisons available?

Any - the ugly stick - corax

The W210 E-class Mercs that replaced the W124s. As Jeremy Clarkson pointed out, the headlights looked as if someone had poked a pencil up the car's bottom.

Also, the side view of the short lived Chrysler Crossfire Coupe reminded him of a dog having a poo. Any other deprecatory comparisons available?

Saab 95 facelift described as the 'Dame Edna' look, deprecatory depending on your point of view. I think that came from Clarkson.

Any - the ugly stick - Maxime.

Didn't a Sun reporter compare the MG GS to a Poo and also the MG3.

Any - the ugly stick - Sulphur Man
BMW iX. AKA the stoned guinea pig.
Any - the ugly stick - Gibbo_Wirral

Fiat Multipla
Any - the ugly stick - gordonbennet

Fiat Multipla

Or SsangYong Rhodius (no idea on speelings), though both possibly trounced by the Yaris Verso, which to its credit is still regarded as one of the most reliable cars of all time.

Anecdotally from my previous work, Multipla had a narrower rear track than at the front, when you reversed up a full size car transporter deck you normally watched the wheels out of the window to keep your line, if you did that with a Multipla you'd drive off the side, had to watch the body which wasn't much better.

Speaking of SsangYong, their newer offerings are looking much better.

Any - the ugly stick - badbusdriver

Fiat Multipla

I'll stick my neck out here and say I really liked the quirky looks of the (1996) Multipla. It was the facelfited version in 2000, where they tried to make it look more conventional, which offended me!.

Anecdotally from my previous work, Multipla had a narrower rear track than at the front, when you reversed up a full size car transporter deck you normally watched the wheels out of the window to keep your line, if you did that with a Multipla you'd drive off the side, had to watch the body which wasn't much better.

Curious because from what I can find (from three separate sources), the rear track was (very slightly) wider than the front, 1520mm vs 1515mm.

Any - the ugly stick - Sofa Spud

The Rover P6 2000 was a clean, modern design when launched in 1963. It was a 'clean-sheet' design, a completely new car owing nothing previous Rover cars. A few years later a V8 version, the 3500, came along, with some minor alterations to the front end to accommodate the bigger engine.

However, in 1970 the whole P6 range received a facelift which included a cheap looking plastic 'eggbox' grille, a new, more lumpy bonnet pressing, a chrome side strip and black vinyl quarter panels. These small changes took away the gracefulness of the original design and made the car look stodgy in comparison.

One much more recent car that HAS benefited from a facelift is the VW ID3. The new version is much tidier, and has lost the pointless diamond textured moulding in the nose.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 09/12/2023 at 11:55