The anti motoring lobby gets funnier by the day.
Interesting to note the use of "anti-motoring" rather than "pro-cycling". But I suppose using the latter wouldn't stir folk up so much would it?.
Same goes for the thread title "all of em", along with the use of "they", (i.e, all cyclists) rather than "him" or "he", which would be a more accurate description of one person's opinion/comments.
A person who, as has been pointed out, is paid to stir people up.
Edited by badbusdriver on 27/08/2023 at 09:22
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You make an interesting point, but they -ok, he, is trying to curtail the rights of motorists, which I consider anti motoring.
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You make an interesting point, but they -ok, he, is trying to curtail the rights of motorists, which I consider anti motoring.
The only people who have 'rights' to use the highway (apart from motorways) are pedestrians. Motorists and cyclists have government permission to use the roads in accordance with the law and rules of the road, not an absolute right.
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You make an interesting point, but they -ok, he, is trying to curtail the rights of motorists, which I consider anti motoring.
The only people who have 'rights' to use the highway (apart from motorways) are pedestrians. Motorists and cyclists have government permission to use the roads in accordance with the law and rules of the road, not an absolute right.
I always understood that cyclists counted as pedestrians with wheels - that's why they don't need a road licence, which any 'powered' vehicle does. Don't horse-riders have similar rights too ? It all goes back to the days of using the 'King's Highway'.
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The anti motoring lobby gets funnier by the day. I would be happy for taxes to be used to build cycling tunnels, then keep the roads above for cars.
But the anti-cycling lobby is not so funny ? (I'm not a cyclist, by the way, but I once was, some 40 years ago ... )
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Just as motorists will sometimes impede the progress of fit cyclists in congested urban areas, in faster moving traffic cyclists should ensure traffic can move smoothly.
This could be done by making it an offence (fine??) to delay cars, or ban cyclists completely.
This would avoid delaying car drivers and reduce environmental impacts through braking and acceleration cycles.
Alternatively we could all behave like tolerant adults.
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Alternatively we could all behave like tolerant adults.
Agree...but sadly there ain't enough of us...??
I'm a cyclist and a driver and as always there's faults on both sides..stupid cyclists and impatient drivers.
The new rules that came in earlier in the year regarding pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists as far as I can see have been largely ignored..with cars still passing far too close, dangerously (on bends) and at too high a speed.
Better separation/cyle infrastructure would be lovely but it's never gonna happen at any scale. I use cycle paths wherever they are available....more would be nice.
Getting past a gaggle of riders is not that easy sometimes and I think the cyclists could often do more to allow vehicles to pass.
Recently I had to follow a lone cyclist on a main road for more than a mile because it was impossible to pass due to bends/white lines etc...there was quite a build up of traffic and yet the cyclist seemed oblivious (I have a rear view mirror on my bike). He had several opportunities to pull in at gate entrances et al but simply carried on......me.?...I would have pulled in and let the traffic pass.
He wasn't doing anything wrong I guess...but a liitle more thought would have helped.
I guess the only answer is better awareness/tolerance...fat chance eh.?
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Alternatively we could all behave like tolerant adults.
Agree...but sadly there ain't enough of us...??
I'm a cyclist and a driver and as always there's faults on both sides..stupid cyclists and impatient drivers.
The new rules that came in earlier in the year regarding pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists as far as I can see have been largely ignored..with cars still passing far too close, dangerously (on bends) and at too high a speed.
Better separation/cyle infrastructure would be lovely but it's never gonna happen at any scale. I use cycle paths wherever they are available....more would be nice.
Getting past a gaggle of riders is not that easy sometimes and I think the cyclists could often do more to allow vehicles to pass.
Recently I had to follow a lone cyclist on a main road for more than a mile because it was impossible to pass due to bends/white lines etc...there was quite a build up of traffic and yet the cyclist seemed oblivious (I have a rear view mirror on my bike). He had several opportunities to pull in at gate entrances et al but simply carried on......me.?...I would have pulled in and let the traffic pass.
He wasn't doing anything wrong I guess...but a liitle more thought would have helped.
I guess the only answer is better awareness/tolerance...fat chance eh.?
Indeed - it certainly helps to see things from both viewpoints when you are both a driver and a cyclist. I try as best I can to keep an eye out on both fronts in order to be as considerate as possible.
I hope that doing so encourages the other road user(s) to be similarly considerate. I certainly get thanks (more so in countryside areas, especially from locals [particularly famer workers at harvest time]) as a cyclist when I pull over / signal the vehicle behind to pass, which is nice to see, and makes it worthwhile.
One good turn deserves another...
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Getting past a gaggle of riders is not that easy sometimes and I think the cyclists could often do more to allow vehicles to pass.
A by gaggle, if you mean a group of what we touring riders called a group of fast boys on a club run, they're a lot easier to pass that way than strung out single file.
Recently I had to follow a lone cyclist on a main road for more than a mile because it was impossible to pass due to bends/white lines etc...there was quite a build up of traffic and yet the cyclist seemed oblivious
Reminds me of a similar experience Boxing Day a few years ago.
We were staying near Grange over Sands in the caravan but set out for Keswick in very changeable weather.
A mile or so south of Ambleside we caught up with a lone rider on a fast sports bike. They were doing a but over 20mph on a very wet road. It's pretty twisty along there with multiple bits of solid lines. I might have got past once but given the conditions and possibility of either him losing control and lack of grip for me in a titzup scenario I stuck the carin 2nd and stayed behind until he turned off in Ambleside.
Vehicle behind, some sort of F off massive 4*4, got awfully cross, flashing lights and sounding his horn. I ignored him (or her) and kept back far enough to stop if the rider cocked up and came off.
Still behind when I pulled off at White Cross Common (Rydal) and gave me another blast of the horn.
I gave both fingers!!
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Yeh, I seem to get this with Porsche Cayennes a lot, when I'm doing the legal limit on a long single lane freewqay slip road I use sometimes. They can wait.
I took the "all of em" to be an answer to the bit where it asks you the car model, but perhaps one should add "especially Porsche Cayennes" the owners of which seem to be issued with an especially engorged sense of entitlement, at least here in Taiwan.
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Yeh, I seem to get this with Porsche Cayennes a lot, when I'm doing the legal limit on a long single lane freewqay slip road I use sometimes. They can wait.
I took the "all of em" to be an answer to the bit where it asks you the car model, but perhaps one should add "especially Porsche Cayennes" the owners of which seem to be issued with an especially engorged sense of entitlement, at least here in Taiwan.
Similar back here, where you can definitely tell the difference in more rural area between those (including the well off) who've essentially lead most if not all of their lives in a rural-ish area or the 'recently-moved in' bringing their urban attitudes, including bad driving habits.
You still get the occasional 'yoof' barrelling around in their souped-up supermini or Focus-sized car (often in the early evening, especially Friday/Saturday), but most 'real' locals are courteous because they know it encourages others to be so when they need some consideration at some point.
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I did see in the news they set up a stinger and fined over 100 cyclists, for running red lights and various other riding offences, They did the same in Oxford years ago. I think the real issue is that they can get away with it, and the police cannot be bothered, or will simply be too busy with it they wont have time to do anything else, or they just do not want the headache of so much paperwork. As I said it is not that they cannot be fined but that the police are not enforcing laws that already exist for cyclists.
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I did see in the news they set up a stinger and fined over 100 cyclists, for running red lights and various other riding offences, They did the same in Oxford years ago. I think the real issue is that they can get away with it, and the police cannot be bothered, or will simply be too busy with it they wont have time to do anything else, or they just do not want the headache of so much paperwork. As I said it is not that they cannot be fined but that the police are not enforcing laws that already exist for cyclists.
Using a stinger for a bicycle seems a little extreme!. Plus, given most bicycles are not going that fast, it would surely be easy enough to avoid?
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I did see in the news they set up a stinger and fined over 100 cyclists, for running red lights and various other riding offences, They did the same in Oxford years ago. I think the real issue is that they can get away with it, and the police cannot be bothered, or will simply be too busy with it they wont have time to do anything else, or they just do not want the headache of so much paperwork. As I said it is not that they cannot be fined but that the police are not enforcing laws that already exist for cyclists.
Using a stinger for a bicycle seems a little extreme!. Plus, given most bicycles are not going that fast, it would surely be easy enough to avoid?
Think the meant a sting rather than a stinger
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I did see in the news they set up a stinger and fined over 100 cyclists, for running red lights and various other riding offences, They did the same in Oxford years ago. I think the real issue is that they can get away with it, and the police cannot be bothered, or will simply be too busy with it they wont have time to do anything else, or they just do not want the headache of so much paperwork. As I said it is not that they cannot be fined but that the police are not enforcing laws that already exist for cyclists.
Using a stinger for a bicycle seems a little extreme!. Plus, given most bicycles are not going that fast, it would surely be easy enough to avoid?
They bunny hopped over it.
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You make an interesting point, but they -ok, he, is trying to curtail the rights of motorists, which I consider anti motoring.
But is it really curtailing the rights of motorists to allow a faster vehicle through?. I grew up in the Shetland Islands where, certainly at the time, single track roads were the norm. If a faster car came up behind my Dad, he would always pull in to let them past at the soonest opportunity.
But just to be clear, I am not in favour of the idea, i don't think it is really workable. More cycling lanes are a far more sensible and safer idea.
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But is it really curtailing the rights of motorists to allow a faster vehicle through?. I grew up in the Shetland Islands where, certainly at the time, single track roads were the norm. If a faster car came up behind my Dad, he would always pull in to let them past at the soonest opportunity.
Use passing places to permit overtaking is still very much the rule on Single Track Roads. Still plenty of them on the Western Isles and on the mainland north of the Great Glen. Signs explain how to do it with pictograms as well.
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<< More cycling lanes are a far more sensible and safer idea. >>
Yes, probably. But in the places where this is a real problem, there is often no space (e.g.London) for segregating cycle lanes ?
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<< More cycling lanes are a far more sensible and safer idea. >>
Yes, probably. But in the places where this is a real problem, there is often no space (e.g.London) for segregating cycle lanes ?
There's quite a lot of space off the main roads. There are actually already quite a lot of good cycle lanes. The issue tends to be where they need to cross a major road or junction. You can cycle happily on cycle paths or extremely quiet roads for miles, then you hit one of the bridges, Elephant and Castle, Hyde Park Corner etc and it's really quite invigorating....
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