So they're putting up three million 20 signs??

Feels like it for the cost and there are an awful lot of signs Another clever remark. Anything sensible to add? I wish I owned the sign company and the contract to put them up.

Well, you said they were £29m and the signs are £10 each so I'm making it 2.91m signs.

My sensible comment is that it sounds fine to me. If it saves a person's life it's probably worth it. It's not like the current 30 limits are in places where you get the joy of the open road and the wind rushing through your hair.

As for the cost, bear in mind that Boris Johnson spent £53m on a garden bridge in London without a spade ever even touching the ground. We wasted £9bn on overpriced or dodgy PPE during COVID and god knows how much else was thrown around. So, yes, it's a lot of money but at least we're getting something for it.

"Thank you for your expected response..."

"Another clever remark."

It seems that whenever anyone applies a bit of logical thinking to something you've posted you take offence.

There is a rather obvious remedy, or perhaps several.

After my last visit to Wales at Christmas I genuinely have never seen so many speed limit changes in urban areas of Cardiff. 20 and 30 limits seemed to be allocated based on wherever the signs were dropped. At least 20 will provide some consistency. Set adaptive cruise to 23mph and enjoy the ride.

Sorry the speed cameras have been fining people for just that. As for Cardiff it is indeed a bit of a nightmare much the same as any other city but no ULEZ yet

Cardiff had a cheap Park and Ride service coming in from the east but it has closed. I live very near to a train station so I use this now

Edited by sammy1 on 09/06/2023 at 16:27

You should try driving in the USA. I was in Wisconsin in 2017 and the speed limit changes there are ridiculous. Within a 2 mile stretch of road the limit went from 25 to 35 to 45, back to 30 , up to 40 and so on every 400 yards or so. No difference in the buildings surrounding the road so why?

Edited by Crickleymal on 09/06/2023 at 22:30

"Every journey in a 20 is increased by a third..."

That assumes that the density of traffic would have allowed 30 mph in the first place.

This morning's drive (late morning, not rush hour) was into Watford, along one of the main roads that go into the town centre which are restricted to 30 mph, with speed cameras. I would guess that the average speed along this two-mile stretch was 15 mph. If you include stops at the several sets of traffic lights it must have been a lot less.

"... it can be argued that pedestrians hit by slower moving traffic are less likely to be killed or seriously injured." It's not a question of whether "it can be argued" - it's fact.

"But inattentiveness at slower speeds by drivers is a factor..."

It may well be, though I've seen no research which backs it up. On the other hand, slower speeds mean there is more reaction time.

£10 per sign for 3m signs seems debatable. £10 per head of population is plausible.

I do not remotely belivee each sign could be manufactured and installed for less than £50 - even assuming a trivial sum for the sign in bulk it is still going to take 30-60mkns to put each one up.

There are apparently 21000 miles of road in Wales. 3m signs would mean 142 every mile if every road were reduced to 20mph - about 12 yards apart! Seems unlikely!!

Either excessive concern for public safety, or the numbers are wrong.

The real point - is 20mph a sensible limit - probably if applied with consideration. Would an alternative incoming Welsh government change them back?? That's what democracy is for.

""£10 per sign for 3m signs seems debatable. £10 per head of population is plausible. YES £10 per head of population is Fact. Not yet go but to change back £58m down the drain

If they then put them back up again it will be £87m. When will this madness end?