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BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Zero

I'm on the cusp of buying a BMW convertible , either 220i or 235/240i around the 2017 date.

I have just had a quick test in 240i and I love it but the running costs are a tad worrying – I am now retired . The guy selling the car here in Purbeck is a mechanic with a small forecourt . He has warned me off buying into the four cylinder range as they have proved troublesome , namely timing chains . He did seem like a knowledgable straight forward guy , no sales pressure at all .

So that leaves me with the 235/240i option or maybe the 220d with a professional/sensible re map should it prove sluggish . Not sure about diesel as the press have demonised it but hey , I live on the country now so I will not get penalised too much unless diesel car prices plummet due to increased diesel tax.

So …. give me your thoughts please on the BMW four cylinder engines 220i etc . And the 220d if you have anything worth mentioning here . – re reliability

My max budget is £23k. Thanks . Jeff

Edited by Zero on 28/05/2023 at 17:28

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - _

Unless you have deep pockets, stay away from a 6 year old BMW, but perhaps if you have a good BMW indie near you it might be different, Certainly do not remap the diesel. for insurance purposes it is a modification,

Don't believe any after market warranty that you are offered with that age of car, unless it comes from a franchised BMW dealer.

Look at the BMW forums and ask there for advice as well.

Looking at your budget you might find one in BMW stock.

usedcars.bmw.co.uk/result/?body_style=Convertible&...i

Little question, What haooened with the landrover VIN?

Edited by _ORB_ on 28/05/2023 at 17:56

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Zero

" Little question, What happened with the landrover VIN? "

I walked away from that one , too much of a worry ..

Edited by Zero on 28/05/2023 at 20:29

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Adampr

Few here will have much good to say about modern BMW engines. The 6 cylinders are certainly considered better than the 4s.

That said, if the seller is a mechanic local to you with a good knowledge of the engines, that's a big advantage over buying a more reliable brand but having to travel for service and repairs.

Are you dead-set on BMW?

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - sammy1

I would go for the 3litre petrol. Should give at least 32mpg more on a run The VED will be the biggest drawback Nothing wrong with the 2.0 petrol a bit more economical and less VED. Your local mechanic should keep these running sweet, nothing really much to do between 20k services. I trust you have a garage for the winter, convertibles have never appealed to me. Check the reg with BMW website or a dealer, there is a current recall on some airbags, some sensor may deteriorate.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Zero

Few here will have much good to say about modern BMW engines. The 6 cylinders are certainly considered better than the 4s.

That said, if the seller is a mechanic local to you with a good knowledge of the engines, that's a big advantage over buying a more reliable brand but having to travel for service and repairs.

Are you dead-set on BMW?

Not dead set on a BMW but quite liked the softer suspension in comfort mode .

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Adampr

Few here will have much good to say about modern BMW engines. The 6 cylinders are certainly considered better than the 4s.

That said, if the seller is a mechanic local to you with a good knowledge of the engines, that's a big advantage over buying a more reliable brand but having to travel for service and repairs.

Are you dead-set on BMW?

Not dead set on a BMW but quite liked the softer suspension in comfort mode .

If you don't need rear seats or much of a boot, it might be worth looking at a Fiat 124.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Zero

"If you don't need rear seats or much of a boot, it might be worth looking at a Fiat 124". Yes, I often see a red one slinking around Wareham , the local market town , can't fault the design (from all angles . ) We have a year old cross border springer collie , I might need a reality check re two seater .

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Engineer Andy

"If you don't need rear seats or much of a boot, it might be worth looking at a Fiat 124". Yes, I often see a red one slinking around Wareham , the local market town , can't fault the design (from all angles . ) We have a year old cross border springer collie , I might need a reality check re two seater .

Apart from the FIAT 1.4T engine and apparently a softer suspension setup, it's a Mazda MX-5. But I agree that neither is a car suitable for a dog to be carried in. A four seater coupe is still your best bet if you want the style.

Sadly few now come with a reasonable suspension setup, not helped by the predilication for higher spec cars to come shod on big wheels and low profile tyres. It also means they are more susceptibale to damage, quicker wear and cost more to replace.

Perhaps a 'left field' choice might be a Suburu BRZ / Toyota GT 86 (the updated GR86 will likely be out of your price range), which appears to have been shod on 'reasonable' wheels and tyres (compared to many other 'sporty' cars), not too firm a suspension setup and is decent to drive (but with no turbo).

IMHO, it looks nice on the outside, rather 1980s on the inside, but that might be a matter of taste.

The last two Merc C-Class coupes are very stylish, but likely will cost a more to run (I'd always have concerns about the complexity/reliability and eye-watering repair bills that may come your way) and won't be as good around the bends as the above and the Beemers.

Similarly the Audi A5 certainly has the looks and performance, though despite teh HJ review saying it takes the bumps quite well, I'd be concerned that a second hand car over 3yo might have a firmer ride, given the tyres they come shod on, as the suspension does most of the work on the ride.

Plus any possible issues that come with potentially buying one with a DSG gearbox - you don't know what life it lead up to the point of sale, and thus how much life it has left. Not sure (if you're looking for an 'auto' version of any of them) what one the BMW has, given they switched from TC to dual clutch a few years ago, but hopefully as they use Aisin auto boxes, they may be more hardy.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Zero

Sadly few now come with a reasonable suspension setup, not helped by the predilication for higher spec cars to come shod on big wheels and low profile tyres. It also means they are more susceptibale to damage, quicker wear and cost more to replace.

That is the problem for me and probably quite few others I suspect , buying an expensive soft top and having you spine jolted on a jolly .

I did have an Audi A4 S Line covertible and even that was susceptible to picking up the bumps in Devon back waters . Can't say it was that sporty taking on the many hills.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Adampr

Two leftfield (one very) options.

1. You could just about get a VW T-Roc convertible for £23k. That will be very squishy.

2. You could get a Vauxhall Cascada and spend the spare £10k on something else.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - SLO76
I’d stick with the 6cyl petrols for thrills and better (but not great) reliability, and I’d pay extra for an approved used car from a BMW main dealer with full BMW history. The small backstreet dealer will have bought his car at auction and there’s a reason why a desirable BMW like this has been offloaded by the main dealer who took it in part exchange or took it back at the end of a PCP. Dealers will only offload cars that have sensible mileages if they have poor accident/paint repairs, mileage question marks, incomplete service records or some other issue. I certainly wouldn’t be spending this sort of money with a small backstreet garage.

I’m not personally a fan of BMW’s, they’re generally not that robust and everything about them is hard work on the road, the steering is heavier than normal, the manual gear change a bit clunky, the clutch is long travel and they tend to eat suspension components. The 4cyl cars are often neglected lease cars and I don’t agree with BMW’s long service plans that will often see 4yr old cars with just two service stamps. The 4cyl cars are also known for timing chain issues, and I don’t know if newer examples have finally fixed this. The 6’s are a much better bet.

I’d also recommend finding a good genuine BMW specialist for servicing and repairs. These cars require specialist tooling for certain repairs and a good BMW trained specialist with all the right gear makes them much more economical viable as they age. Main dealers will empty your bank account overnight.
BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Zero

OK , thanks . I had a quick test run in a six cylinder on Friday which had full documented mileage at 56k . That is the sort of car I am sniffing at . I did a see a four clyiinder with 18k miles with documentation ! Rightly or wrongly , I was brought up to believe that the straight six ( Triumph etc ) was the Holy Grail of engines but that was in the late 1970's . Fiat was to be avoided at all costs .

" Main dealers will empty your bank account overnight." Errrr, yes . I saw what they did with my Aunts' Polo .

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - RT

OK , thanks . I had a quick test run in a six cylinder on Friday which had full documented mileage at 56k . That is the sort of car I am sniffing at . I did a see a four clyiinder with 18k miles with documentation ! Rightly or wrongly , I was brought up to believe that the straight six ( Triumph etc ) was the Holy Grail of engines but that was in the late 1970's . Fiat was to be avoided at all costs .

" Main dealers will empty your bank account overnight." Errrr, yes . I saw what they did with my Aunts' Polo .

Straight sixes are smoother and torquier than an equivalent four - not sure about the Holy Grail as a V8 and V12 are smoother.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - badbusdriver

OK , thanks . I had a quick test run in a six cylinder on Friday which had full documented mileage at 56k . That is the sort of car I am sniffing at . I did a see a four clyiinder with 18k miles with documentation ! Rightly or wrongly , I was brought up to believe that the straight six ( Triumph etc ) was the Holy Grail of engines but that was in the late 1970's . Fiat was to be avoided at all costs .

" Main dealers will empty your bank account overnight." Errrr, yes . I saw what they did with my Aunts' Polo .

Straight sixes are smoother and torquier than an equivalent four - not sure about the Holy Grail as a V8 and V12 are smoother.

V8's are not as inherently balanced and smooth as a straight six. Due to the timings, the six cylinders move in pairs but fire on alternating cycles which results in a uniform and constant gap between each cylinder movement.

V and flat 12's go even further to (naturally) reduce vibration, because they are essentially two straight sixes matched up.

With any other configuration, exceptional smoothness can only be gained through the use of balancer shafts. I was working at a Saab dealer when the 2.3 4 cyl engine was introduced, it used a balancer shaft to good effect being very smooth for a 4 pot.

Edited by badbusdriver on 29/05/2023 at 09:31

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - John F

V and flat 12's go even further to (naturally) reduce vibration, because they are essentially two straight sixes matched up.

With any other configuration, exceptional smoothness can only be gained through the use of balancer shafts....

......apart from the exceptionally smooth and compact W12, with its single rigid cylinder block and remarkably short crankshaft - a wonderful piece of functional automotive sculpture.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - badbusdriver

V and flat 12's go even further to (naturally) reduce vibration, because they are essentially two straight sixes matched up.

With any other configuration, exceptional smoothness can only be gained through the use of balancer shafts....

......apart from the exceptionally smooth and compact W12, with its single rigid cylinder block and remarkably short crankshaft - a wonderful piece of functional automotive sculpture.

The fact that a straight six is so smooth is precisely because of having six cylinders inline, (the magic number). That a V or flat 12 is at least as smooth is because they also use banks of six cylinders inline.

The W12 uses banks of three cylinders, so as good as the engine may be otherwise, it can't be as smooth.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Miniman777

OK , thanks . I had a quick test run in a six cylinder on Friday which had full documented mileage at 56k . That is the sort of car I am sniffing at . I did a see a four clyiinder with 18k miles with documentation ! Rightly or wrongly , I was brought up to believe that the straight six ( Triumph etc ) was the Holy Grail of engines but that was in the late 1970's . Fiat was to be avoided at all costs .

" Main dealers will empty your bank account overnight." Errrr, yes . I saw what they did with my Aunts' Polo .

Straight sixes are smoother and torquier than an equivalent four - not sure about the Holy Grail as a V8 and V12 are smoother.

Having driven diesel (extensively) and petrol 6-cyl BMWs, they are smooth and wonderfully torquey. As others say, get a car from a BMW dealer with the 12-month warranty, which is one of the best available. And renew it when it expires too. Might be £500 a year, but could save a bundle on expensive bills.
BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Adampr

Fiat was to be avoided at all costs .

A Fiat 124 is a Mazda MX-5 in drag. It does not, though, have room for a dog and certainly not a hyperactive one, so we shall speak of it no more.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - badbusdriver

Fiat was to be avoided at all costs .

A Fiat 124 is a Mazda MX-5 in drag. It does not, though, have room for a dog and certainly not a hyperactive one, so we shall speak of it no more.

Doesn't have the Mazda's engine though. Whether or not that is a good thing depends on your views on n/a vs forced induction power delivery, but I believe Mazda's engineers think it works best (re what they were aiming for) with the basic n/a 1.5.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Manatee

Fiat was to be avoided at all costs .

A Fiat 124 is a Mazda MX-5 in drag. It does not, though, have room for a dog and certainly not a hyperactive one, so we shall speak of it no more.

Doesn't have the Mazda's engine though. Whether or not that is a good thing depends on your views on n/a vs forced induction power delivery, but I believe Mazda's engineers think it works best (re what they were aiming for) with the basic n/a 1.5.

Why would you want the engine from a shopping car in something you drive for fun? I like the retro look of the 124, the engine ruled it out for me.
But there is absolutely no space in 124 or MX-5 for a K9, unless it fits in a handbag. There's just room for 2 people. There isn't even a glove box, or door bins.

www.carandclassic.com/make-an-offer/1992-saab-900-...4

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Adampr

Why would you want the engine from a shopping car in something you drive for fun? I like the retro look of the 124, the engine ruled it out for me.

More torque?

As the OP preferred the BM in comfort setting, I thought I'd suggest the comfier and calmer version of an MX5. That was before I knew about the dog. Now I know that, I no longer suggest it.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Manatee

>>As the OP preferred the BM in comfort setting, I thought I'd suggest the comfier and calmer version of an MX5.

You're right of course.

I'd go for the 6 cylinder petrol if I had to have the BMW. Diesels are only quiet when you have a roof and some sound insulation.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Andrew-T

Diesels are only quiet when you have a roof and some sound insulation.

For a long time diesels and convertibles were essentially incompatible - I always thought it might be something to do with the smell of unburnt diesel. I have seen mention of a 205 convertible with a diesel engine, a one-off modification I think.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Manatee

How about...a Morgan


www.carandclassic.com/car/C1580126

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - badbusdriver

Why would you want the engine from a shopping car in something you drive for fun? I like the retro look of the 124, the engine ruled it out for me.

In fairness to the 124, the n/a 1.5 in the MX5 is also used in Mazda 2, albeit in a lower state of tune (75-115bhp rather than 130). Nothing at all wrong with a less peaky engine in a sports car though, horses for courses and all.

How about...a Morgan

www.carandclassic.com/car/C1580126

Nice, but the OP is looking for a bit of comfort, and that won't be had in the Morgan (even though there is space for the hound)!.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Engineer Andy

Why would you want the engine from a shopping car in something you drive for fun? I like the retro look of the 124, the engine ruled it out for me.

In fairness to the 124, the n/a 1.5 in the MX5 is also used in Mazda 2, albeit in a lower state of tune (75-115bhp rather than 130). Nothing at all wrong with a less peaky engine in a sports car though, horses for courses and all.

TBH, that 1.5 N/A engine is actually quite decent, in terms of performance. Even the 75bhp version in the current (non-hybrid) Mazda2 can achieve 0-60 in 11.3 sec, a shade more than my older 1.6 in my 17yo Mazda3, but the 90bhp tune unit blows both away with a time of 9.7 sec and the 115bhp unit even better at 9 sec. Quite nippy for a car many professional reviewers think is 'dated'.

BMW 2 230i or a 3.0 litre - Thinking of buying a BMW series 2 - Manatee

>>TBH, that 1.5 N/A engine is actually quite decent, in terms of performance.

The torque is actually OK, for what it is. 150Nm@4800rpm, fine with appropriate use of gears. It's just that many people are now accustomed to cars with forced induction engines, where the torque is not only greater but arrives at <2000rpm. I like that I have to drive it, which is partly nostalgic I suppose. I'm sure I can hear my dad saying "Keep the revs up!".
Effortless power becomes boring very quickly.