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Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett

For the past 18 months i've been monitoring the DPF in my Kia Sportage 2017, 1.7 diesel with an OBD plug in and Car Scanner pro on i phone. The car has done 27k miles. Virtually every regen it's performed has been after 160 - 170 miles when the soot level reaches 15 to 16 grams. I give it a 10 mile or so run and the soot falls gradually to zero. On the last 3 occasions it's regenerated a lot earlier after 70 to 80 miles before the soot level reaches 15 to 16 grams. Yesterday after a journey of 30 miles the soot level went from 2 grams to 14. Any ideas what's causing this? The engine runs fine but i did notice that in the 30 mile journey on the motorway the fuel consumption was about 5 mpg lower than normal.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - gordonbennet
EGR valve caked up with soot?

Might be worth checking a forum for your particular car, see if there's a known problem.
Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - elekie&a/c doctor
Think I’d agree with that. Egr and air intake path and manifold getting choked and reduced air flow. Nothing unusual on a Diesel engine .
Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett
EGR valve caked up with soot? Might be worth checking a forum for your particular car, see if there's a known problem.

Before this Kia i've always had VW's. I've had a look on the Kia owners forum but there isn't the same level of technical knowledge or interest for that matter as there is on the German car forums which are numerous. Would the EGR be caked up with soot at 27k miles? I use branded fuel every other tank full and Redex diesel treatment regularly. One thing i forgot to mention is that after the 30 mile run yesterday when the soot unusually increased to 14 grams i thought a regen was imminent so i drove on and it started. The soot level gradually reduced as normal but at 5 grams suddenly went to zero which again was unusual.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - elekie&a/c doctor
I would think it’s more to do with engine oil . When did it last have an oil change and what make ?
Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett
It’s had an oil change about 1k miles ago, I changed it myself and used quantum 5w30 c3. I’ve changed it regularly more so than is recommended.
Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - gordonbennet
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Would the EGR be caked up with soot at 27k miles? I use branded fuel every other tank full and Redex diesel treatment regularly.

It's a known issue on many vehicles, Diesel VW's suffer really badly with it, i bet there's myriads of threads on the subject.

27k is quite early, but if you have lots of short journeys and the car doesn't get some regular open road Italian tune up style driving the EGR will be working overtime.

As ElekieDoc says, engine oil is an issue, the longer its left in the more carbon particles will be held in suspension and end up in the intake, also left for long periods the carbon deposits onto everything and you can have a caked up engine in short order...myself i prefer engine oils designed specifically for Diesels, when you can find them, which have more detergent qualities to help keep things clean.

Trucks can cope with their ridiculously long oil changes because they have oil spinners in the system which by centrifuge remove a lot of the nasties from the oil continually, you won't find many mechanics leaving oil in their own cars for the sorts of mileages some car makers state is normal.

Assuming its possible to get to and undo the after intercooler intake pipe clamp, even if it can't be removed without shifting the intercooler, once the clamp is loosened it might be possible to feed an endoscope with its own led lights through and into the EGR to have a poke nose at the state of things. Hyundai use the same engine as yours far as i'm aware, could be worth poke nosing there too for info.

Hopefully paragraphed for yo Gordon.. ModsRus

Edited by _ORB_ on 27/05/2023 at 09:34

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - _

My own opinion is 27000 miles in 6 Years = 4000 ish a year.

Wrong car for such low usage.

Best take it to a Kia specialist to sort out properly clean/replace egr, sensors ? DPF, not going to be cheap.

I saw your post in the Kia owners club forum and yes, not much help there.

My old sportage 1.6 132hp maual did 40 mpg on a run and zero problems.

Edited by _ORB_ on 27/05/2023 at 09:44

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Engineer Andy

What's amazing is how many ordinary car buyers still aren't aware of why buying a (modern common rail, DPF-equipped) diesel engined car is realistically only for long journeys and/or heavy loads.

IMHO, too many and a decent number of sales staff (though many of the latter are aware and just economical with the truth in order to shift as many cars as possible) are ingorant of this issue, often still believing the lie of 20 years ago and not noticing the significant problems associated with modern diesels and short distance driving from cold.

Add to this likely similar numbers of punters aren't aware of how economical and reliable petrol-engined cars are these days, even non-hybrid ones, due to improvements made about 10-15 years ago.

For the aforementioned journey type, they often are more economical than diesels, and work out far cheaper over the longer term because of the better reliability and lower fuel prices. Add to that that they are able to drive into ULEZs with much older cars without penalty means you don't have to incur extra costs at a more frequent interval to change cars, saving even more.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - joseph suckling

cant go wrong with a vw i changed to ford a while back... worst mistake of my life lol

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett

Just an update to this. When i first got the car i bought a full size (secondhand) alloy for a spare wheel.I had a tyre put on and didn't notice at the time but the wheel didn't have a TPMS valve in it. A couple of months ago at it's MOT i got an advisory that the rear tyres were splitting between the treads. Instead of buying 2 new rear tyres i put the spare on one side and got a new identical tyre on the other. Every time the car had a fast run the TPMS warning light would appear on the dash, presumably when the tyres were hot. I cleared the codes several times after having checked the pressures and eventually realised it was because the one wheel had no TPMS valve on it. Strange as it may sound this has coincided with the extra soot build up and more frequent regens. With no TPMS warning light on the soot accumulates as normal as is fuel consumption. Why this happened i've no idea but i've now had the tyres swapped over so there are TPMS valves on all 4 road wheels.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Adampr

Maybe the soot wasn't accumulating and you had some kind of weird electrical problem with the TPMS being unhappy. How odd.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Rafael1983

I`m having exactly same issue.

Last few regen its logged as fail and its keep regenerating around every 80 miles.

It does fail even doing 70 and over on motorway on long journey. Few months ago I replaces dpf pressure sensor (genuine from kia) as I had oil level increasing and thats when I started to drive with obde scanner connected to the app on mobile. I suspect it might be linked to stuck EGR Valve or faulty glow plug as they very important for proper regeneration. Last few regen DPF soot mass when reaching around 3 grams its jumps straight to 0 and thats terminate regen. Soon after Value showing around 1.2grams Only yesterday and today have done around 200 miles mostly on the motorway but my Sportage decided to start regen when i heavy traffic . Than Again on motorway but it did fail as well. If you manage to found a cause please let me know.

Mine is 2016 new shape Sportage 1.7 diesel

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Ian Ha

Hello Ronald, I joined the forum just now specifically to to relate my experiences with this issue. I have a Sportage 2.0 185bhp awd iv ql 2017. Last summer the ECU started bringing on the DPF light, fault code P2003 followed by the MIL light at the next fail cycle. Not a lot of fun when towing a caravan. After Green Flag reset the lights I spoke to 4 Kia service departments and 2 of them supposedly looked at it and found no fault. A local DPF specialist fitted a new differential pressure sensor - no more lights for 8 months! Recently it all kicked off again. My OBD2 reader showed pretty much exactly the same numbers as yours, soot filling up rapidly to 13-15g, ash at 300-400mg, no passive regen then active regen with exhaust temp over 800°C! soot dropped to 3g, stuck in traffic then suddenly zero. On return journey rapid soot build up again. I then bought Infocar with the £7.99 Kia specific extension. DPF pressure showing minus 13. Fitted another pressure sensor and from cold readings rose rapidly from 3.2g to 8.3g and stabilised for 50 miles. Next day readings stable from cold, ash readings rising very slowly. Still not sure whether completely solved, off for diagnostics on Friday. The new sensor might need calibrating? Hope this helps, why do we have to learn all this stuff?

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Ian Ha

I forgot to add, the DPF was cleaned (on the car) last year before the sensor was changed at a cost of £200.The DPF light was on again within 5 miles! People can easily buy the machines, but...

Also after fitting new sensor this week Infocar reporting minus .7hpa pressure at ignition on engine off. Thus my comment about recalibration. The car currently has DPF cleaner in the tank.

With the old sensor I was getting 60-70 miles between regens. Currently on 104 mile with 8g of soot.

Edited by Ian Harrold on 27/06/2023 at 14:00

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett

Thanks for the update, it seems my theory of the short regens being somehow being linked strangely to the absence of a tpms valve was unfounded. The difference between them is now varying between 60 miles and 130 and the soot appears to accumulate quicker when on a run rather than short local journeys. I've never had the DPF light on and so it's actually never been a problem. I just like to know about these things. Like my Mrs says, there's thousands of people running around in diesel cars who are blissfully unaware they've got a DPF. Perhaps i should sell it and get a petrol car, with a ........ petrol particulate filter.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Amateur007

Hi Ian,

Do I understant it properly that all what you done is: a) replaced Diff.pressure sensor b) using a DPF cleaner (in the tank).

Might I kindly ask you to let us know what exactly cleaner do you use and what is the code and maker of your new diff. pressure sensor?

Thank you very much in advance.

Patrik

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Ian Ha

Hello Patrik. A bit of a saga I'm afraid. The dpf pressure sensor has now been replaced three times in a year. I bought one a month or so ago on ebay but the error code P2003 kept coming back along with a flashing dpf warning light followed by a mil on the second failed cycle. I took it to a diagnostic specialist who fitted a genuine Kia sensor 39210 2F600. No difference. I have just been to a local garage - ah! It's the O2 sensor behind the manifold. He unscrewed it, caked with soot, blew it out with the airline. Problem solved in 5 minutes. People are buying diagnostic machines without a clue. £555 spent and the problem solved for the price of a few pints! Four Kia dealers unable to find the fault, but someone with experience got it in seconds after showing them the readouts and a detailed account from watching live data. Ian

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Ian Ha

I have used Wynn's dpf cleaner and the Redex one. I would say the former is probably more effective. The cleaners work by reducing the temperature at which the soot will burn off, but if the O2 sensor is fouled it won't solve the problem. The engineer told me the issue was more prevalent on the 1.7 than the 2.0. If you want to monitor the dpf set up a dashboard showing temperature before dlf, soot level, and sulphur level. This can easily be done with Car Scanner Pro and an obd2 adaptor.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Ian Ha

Beep beep. P2003 again. Will try to get Kia to check ECU next. Guessing they will find nothing again. If they won't admit to a fault I will trade the 'faultless' car in with them.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett

Fortunately i'm not getting any warning lights or fault codes. If it wasn't for the fact i'm monitoring it with car scanner i probably wouldn't be any the wiser. What i can't understand is why the soot accumulates quicker on a fast run rather than pottering around town. I have always been led to believe it was supposed to be the other way round. It seems that on average soot accumulates at 1 gram per 10 miles. I'm currently on 11 grams and the car has covered 130 miles local. The Mrs is taking it on a run tomorrow about 30 miles and 30 back the following day so i won't be able to see what happens. She hasn't got car scanner on her phone and like she says, she doesn't give a f*** about the soot !

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - limwe

I am from Singapore. Drove a Kia Carens 1.7 diesel. Same engine as Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. Have exactly the same DPF problem as described by you. Check Exhaust light comes on every 150km. That's when soot level reach around 15g. Have to do a active regen by driving at 65km/h at 5th gear 2500rpm for 30 mins to reduce the soot level to 0g. Then the warning light comes on again after 150km. Brought to local Kia distributor to check but they didn't find any P2003 code in the ECU. P2003 code only exist in the OBD readout. Instead they treated the P014C code by cleaning the downstream A/F (O2) sensor. But the Check Exhaust warning light still comes on every 150km. Not sure what to now.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - limwe

Hello Patrik. A bit of a saga I'm afraid. The dpf pressure sensor has now been replaced three times in a year. I bought one a month or so ago on ebay but the error code P2003 kept coming back along with a flashing dpf warning light followed by a mil on the second failed cycle. I took it to a diagnostic specialist who fitted a genuine Kia sensor 39210 2F600. No difference. I have just been to a local garage - ah! It's the O2 sensor behind the manifold. He unscrewed it, caked with soot, blew it out with the airline. Problem solved in 5 minutes. People are buying diagnostic machines without a clue. £555 spent and the problem solved for the price of a few pints! Four Kia dealers unable to find the fault, but someone with experience got it in seconds after showing them the readouts and a detailed account from watching live data. Ian

Hi Ian,

When you say the O2 sensor behind the manifold, Are you referring to the upstream (Bank1 Sensor1) O2 sensor? Or the downstream (Bank1 Sensor2) O2 sensor? I think upstream O2 sensor is located in the engine bay while the downstream O2 sensor is located underneath the car.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Railroad.

So your car has done 27,000 miles in 6 years. I'd say you should've done at least double that in that time. That's probably what your problem is. Firstly your DPF will passively regenerate. This is where the filter gets sufficiently hot during driving to break down the particulate matter allowing it to pass through. Most of your regeneration will be done this way. If that's not possible then the system will go into an active regeneration. If yours keeps regenerating then you probably aren't doing the kind of mileage and driving conditions to enable a suitable passive regeneration. In this case you'd probably be more suited to a petrol engine car rather than a diesel. Modern diesels are not intended for short journeys. You'll create yourself very expensive problems if that's what you're doing.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - mickyh7

Just walk into any Kia dealers workshop.

All of their ramps will have Sportages on. Dreadful engines.

My colleague has just spent over £1000 getting his DPF mapped out, new parts etc.

But only because the original system is not fit for purpose.

It's now a much more pleasant drive, better mpg and better performance.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Superjko
Hi all I’m having problems with me 2020/21 1.7 diesel Sportage also ????
Been nothing but problems since bought it’s faulty injectors, leaking injector seals, gearbox seals, sensors…..
Bought it’s with 8k miles now 22k miles and having issues when on motorway or dual carriageways….say your on the motorway doing 65-70mph move lanes to go round someone out foot down (not planted…just gradually) then ease off and try to carry on the car goes into limp mode. No warning lights on dash, none?!? Just won’t let you speed up, if you put your foot down will increase the revs drop it down a gear but your speed won’t increase if anything will decrease. You have to pull over turn it off then back on again and will be ok. Took it in first time it did it and they said it was a faulty injector so replaced but few months later done it again. Went into Kia garage today said it’s the dpf reading 8.5G and should be 0.8g ?????????
Said £140 to force a regen….apparently not covered under warranty so just said crack on ????
See if it works but with them doing the injector the first time as they found a fault it’ll probably be back in again soon for the same issue.
I’m going to try take it on motorway for a while to try replicate how it’s happened before to see if it’s sorted but I doubt it.
I’m sooo sick of the car I count the days down that my Mrs comes back to me saying there’s another issue, funny noise, smells of fuel or won’t even work on motorway!!! ??????
I’m getting this done a garage them probably looking for a replacement but I don’t want to put a broken car onto someone else’s toes so I’ll make this effort first cleaning the dpf
Got the car thinking perfect family car 7yrs warranty hassle free gt line S all bells and whistles will last us ages and she’ll love it. She does love it!!! When the C*#7 works ????
Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett

8.5gms of soot in the dpf shouldn't cause the symptoms you describe, and not sure what the kia garage means when they say it should be 0.8 gms. There is no figure where it 'should be' .It depends where in the cycle of regenerations the dpf is at. 16 gms of soot is the threshold for my 1.7 diesel to perform a regen. Maybe it's a sensor issue.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Theboxer

Hi Ronald,did you find a resolution to your regen issue as literally my i40 is a word perfect copy of your issue, identical. The i40 shares the same engine as your car. Would be interesting to compare parts changed etc if you haven't made any headway.

Neil

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - ronald bennett

Its not been a problem recently. It regens between 160 and 190 miles depending on the usage its had ie local or long journeys. I think i've covered about 4k miles since my original post. I always use decent fuel and half a bottle of redex every tank.

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Halmerend
The EGR valve was caked up on my Audi A6 diesel after 3 years and 21,000 miles. Cost me £350 at the dealership as it was a month out of warranty. It was just the wrong car for me and I’m back in a petrol car now.
Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Halmerend
You can put as much Redex in it as you want, it won’t unblock an EGR valve.
Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - Steveieb

I assume your A6 had a dpf?

But Did those which didn’t have a dpf suffer from blocked EGR ?

Kia Sportage 1.7 diesel. - More frequent DPF regens. - gordonbennet

Emission readings were getting high on my Landcruiser at MOT time, checked the EGR and sure enough its choked up with soot.

Luckily the engine is designed and laid out to be worked on so i whipped the thing off and cleaned it and the entrance to the inlet manifold out, flies through the MOT now and definately running better for having a full bore clean inlet.

When its replacement injector time i shall remove the inlet manifold and clean that fully.