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ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - edlithgow

Well, this is embarrassing.

As a preliminary to gooping up my damaged thread with HT epoxy and tapping it, I inserted the plug as far as it would go (about halfway), put a drinking straw in the centre of the other side, and tamped lightly greased aluminium foil down around it to protect the intact threads from the epoxy.

I had thin polythene sheet over the plug to protect the clean threads from any stray grease.

Bubble straw was too wide and flexible, so I repeated with a pen barrel wrapped in PTFE tape, which worked better.

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The single layer of polythene sheet had torn, so I used three, and the plug wound all the way into the head.

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IOW all this palaver could have been avoided at no cost and in about a minute, by adding polythene sheet to the plug.

I’d guess polythene will melt and char, but I can’t see it doing much harm. PTFE tape is more heat tolerant, but might release fluoric acid on cooking. Oven compatible cling film might be a better choice.

I assume the thicker sheet stopped the plug hanging up on a ridge of damage, guiding it back into the original line. I’ve been using polythene sheet as a low temp antiseize treatment (for example, on wheel studs) for years, since antiseize is pretty much Unobtainium here in Taiwan, so I might have been expected to think of trying it, but no.

Should probably have abandoned the epoxy plan but inertia/sunk costs too powerful, so the thread is gooped up and awaits tapping


Edited by edlithgow on 23/05/2023 at 08:28

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - Andrew-T

If melting of the polymer is your main worry, try to find some nylon or possibly PET film instead ? But I guess gradual thermal degradation will probably happen to anything organic. I doubt that cling-film (polyvinylidene chloride, not quite PVC) will last long.

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - edlithgow

Perhaps doesn]t have to last long, if it allows the plug to engage with the undamaged threads low down in the plug hole.

My main concern is damaging these with an imperfectly fitting or clumsily used tap

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - edlithgow

I picked the compressed aluminium foil out apart from an annular ring that I couldn't shift, which had probably been infiltrated with epoxy, which I just tapped through.

I coated the tap with candle wax in an attempt to protect the intact threads. I used a spray grease in the hole, which probably wasn't thick enough for the job, and also meant I could see the tap removing aluminium from the intact threads, which I didn't enjoy, so after a while I gooped it all up with a heavier (I assume molybdenum)grease salvaged from a scrap CV boot.

AFAIK you can't easily get international brands of grease in Taiwan. This is probably because grease (unlike oil) is mostly a pro product, and the pros don't care.

Got quite hard to move when it hit the epoxy, but I elected not to remove it and clean the flutes because I was concerned about further damage to the intact threads. This was probably a mistake.

Plug now runs all the way in, so assuming it doesn't blow out when/if the engine runs, I guess its fixed

HUZZAH!

If I was doing this again (hope not) I might use epoxy-reinforced compressed aluminium as the "filler", though I don't know if any epoxy was retained in the threads and it may be the tap alone did the job.

I would have preferred to try a forming tap first, but that turned out to be another case of Taiwan Unobtanium.

Now I just have to put it back together and hope that cylinder liner doesn’t perforate.

Edited by edlithgow on 25/05/2023 at 00:55

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - edlithgow
Wondering if it might be worth putting some aluminium foil around the plug threads, to pack out the perhaps diminished threads in the head. I suppose it might cause wear, but i can avoid removing the plug so often.

Wonder how much gold leaf is, (for that hidden bling thing.)

Edited by edlithgow on 03/06/2023 at 15:34

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - bathtub tom
Wonder how much gold leaf is, (for that hidden bling thing.)

It's remarkably cheap, but it's also much thinner than aluminium.

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - edlithgow
Wonder how much gold leaf is, (for that hidden bling thing.)

It's remarkably cheap, but it's also much thinner than aluminium.

Use more layers. Good lubricant (I'd guess) and electrical conductor.

Unsure about load bearing though..

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - galileo
Wonder how much gold leaf is, (for that hidden bling thing.)

It's remarkably cheap, but it's also much thinner than aluminium.

Use more layers. Good lubricant (I'd guess) and electrical conductor.

Unsure about load bearing though..

Gold leaf is about 0.5 microns thick, human hair is 60 microns.

Offhand, the only practical engineering application I can think of is coating for artificial satellites / space suit visors, for reflection of sunlight.

ANY - Plastic Film Workaround For Damaged Threads? - edlithgow

Aluminium foil is apparently/allegedly and generally about 6 microns, so seems you'd need about 10-12 layers for (arbitrary) equivalence.

www.hindalco.com/Our-businesses/Aluminium-overview...s

Edited by edlithgow on 05/06/2023 at 02:21