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Safety warning about EVs - galileo

This clip by john Cadogan highlights the issues and includes useful safety advice.

(Start watching at about 3.40 - includes some possibly indelicate language)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhHQ202FZtU&t=226s

Safety warning about EVs - Andrew-T

Very thought-provoking. But of course nothing much will be done until a few catastrophes start to show the actual level of risk, and how much can be afforded in cost of precautions.

Safety warning about EVs - gordonbennet

Thanks for posting that Galileo,soon as i heard hydroflouric acid my alarm bells started going off.

As you know i was in the car carrying game for many years, at many of the compounds where there was possibility of crashed vehicles there were dire warnings about the above chemical being found in burned out vehicles, apparently if you get this stuff on you it starts to eat its way into your body and the only way to stop it amputation...considering the other nasties listed by John in the video its a chemical nightmare which has already permanently disabled two Australian firefighters.

Safety warning about EVs - Andrew-T

HF is indeed nasty stuff, but the chance of it eating into your flesh must be small - it COULD be formed in trace amounts if some organic fluoro-compound decomposes in a fire. HF boils at about ambient temperature and is a reactive strong acid so will be neutralised by any alkali. If some liquid gets on the skin, certainly an antidote has to be applied pretty quickly.

Maybe more worth worrying about the formation of HCN which is directly toxic by inhalation, as you may recall the occasional house fire where HCN arose from burning polyurethane furniture foam.

Safety warning about EVs - Ma83
I’m always horrified when chemicals are involved, my dad used to work in the cleaning chemicals industry and I heard some dreadful things about accidents from the early days.

These are the sorts of things that will potentially result in blanket bans that cause chaos or policy changes like we saw with diesel. I haven’t done enough research on it though so I don’t know what the manufacturers and policy makers say.

What id be interested in is whether something like this would affect someone’s views on buying an EV as I was actually involved with some research that looked at interviews and came up with a number of factors but chemical safety wasn’t one of the things mentioned, maybe not front of mind.
Safety warning about EVs - skidpan

Its a good job ICE cars never contained any explosive products. If they had the population would be extinct by now.

Safety warning about EVs - Andrew-T

Knowing that there are many kilos of nasty alkali metal under my back seat would make me wait quite a while before deciding that these cars are relatively safe - despite their great acceleration making them a bit more likely to get into trouble. I suppose about a litre of fairly strong sulphuric acid, usually under the bonnet, may be the worst worry we have had up to now, other than a fuel fire ?

Safety warning about EVs - edlithgow

Its a good job ICE cars never contained any explosive products. If they had the population would be extinct by now.

Yeh, that always amuses me when the “hydrogen is so dangerous” jive comes up, while everyone drives around with a few gallons of qualm-free-napalm under them.

Safety warning about EVs - madf

Its a good job ICE cars never contained any explosive products. If they had the population would be extinct by now.

Yeh, that always amuses me when the “hydrogen is so dangerous” jive comes up, while everyone drives around with a few gallons of qualm-free-napalm under them.

Not to mention the tragic house explosions caused by gas leaks: demolish house and damage nearby ones. (at least two MAJOR ones within 12 months)

There should be safety warnings for gas customers... Oh there are already....

Safety warning about EVs - skidpan

Not to mention the tragic house explosions caused by gas leaks: demolish house and damage nearby ones. (at least two MAJOR ones within 12 months)

Normally caused by owners/tenants bypassing the meter or tampering with gas supply.

And also remember that some owner/occupiers never service their boilers.

Safety warning about EVs - focussed

Concerning the danger of fluoro rubber components - seals, gaskets, o-rings etc that have been in a fire, HSE UK have some sensible advice.

www.hse.gov.uk/mvr/topics/fluoroelastomers.htm