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Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - Sailor

MK 4 2002

Lost 3/4 power. Engine shook car when i tried to accelerate, and gave no more power. Limped up small hill (40mph hazards on dangerous fast spot!)

I stopped, Nothing obvious at idle. Topped up oil after finding it low but still on the stick.

Drove on cautiously at 50mph,(20 miles) symptoms seem to have gone, but took it extremely easy as I was on my way to work!

In the evening no sign of any faults. (apart from a broken plastic dipstick tube) I then slightly overfilled the oil and drove home (25 miles) gently but up to 60mph. Seemed to be fine.

Any Ideas????

The only similar experience was in a petrol Citroen that blew a jerry-rigged plug out, and shook like a wet dog! I never imagined that was the fault until I found it, since it shook so bad I was certain something had broken!

Could the current VW diesel problem be missing, then further affecting runnng because of the incorrect fuel in the exhaust etc confusing the computer??? Or EGR .... OR????

Could the low oil affect something with knock on effects?

Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - elekie&a/c doctor
This is a pd Diesel engine . The wiring to the injectors runs through the cam box cover and eventually deteriorates over time with oil contamination . This is one possible cause.
Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - Sailor

Yes 1.9 turbo diesel. Thank you for the heads up with the injector wiring.

Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - Steveieb

What does the fix involve Eleki Doc ?

Do you replace the whole loom and where is the connector situated please ?

Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - elekie&a/c doctor
It’s a short section of wiring harness that runs from the end of the cylinder head to inside the cam cover . Not expensive.
Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - Sailor

Actions so far:

I might have said above - renewed fuel filter.

Rough clean of EGR, as it was over 1/2 diameter clogged. This seemed to make a noticeable improvement. The car seemed more responsive, however under load (up hills) especially under 2100 rpm it still got lumpy and lost power. Very carefully I am able to drive at 65 + mph, as long as I'm gentle on the throttle, and accept that hills will quickly drop to 55mph in 4th

Today: removed, cleaned (scraped, burnt out and pressure-washed) the inlet manifold. Better job on EGR. this time found the EGR valve was not opening properly, and manged to free it off, giving full travel (sucking on tube and pushing at the same time)

Improved again, however basic symptom is still there.

I have just studied how the vacuum system works. Very soon I will check it is correctly connected, then I expect to renew most of the pipes, and see if I can check the solenoid valves.

One odd feature is that if I constantly change the throttle just a little, it seems to put off the the symptoms, conversely even gently powering up a hill will induce them. I wonder whether there is a reason, maybe as the throttle is being opened, things are satisfactory, but when it is constant (under load) there is an issue with the mixture (air I assume - but possibly the fuel)

Still I drive it everyday 25 miles each way to work, and try to stay under 65, except for down hills! or a tad slower on the way home. Off to Bristol tomorrow, from London!

I haven't done a thing about the wiring loom. My thought is "how can such described poor electrical connections, be dependent on engine revs and load? Why wouldn't it be random, and generally increasing?"

Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - edlithgow

Only had a couple of diesels,and didn't do much to them, but its my understanding that they are fairly insensitive to air leaks, since

(a) they typically run with excess air anyway, and

(b) they dont normally pull much of a vacuum in the intake manifold, since they dont have a throttle, and thus they may need a supplementary vacuum pump to power the brake servo.

This would seem to go against a vacuum leak as the cause of your symptoms, though a fuel leak might be a more likely possibility

Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - Big John

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This would seem to go against a vacuum leak as the cause of your symptoms, though a fuel leak might be a more likely possibility

On a pd engine there is a vacuum take off from a T piece in the brake servo pipe with vacuum generated by the tandem fuel & vacuum pump at the end of the cam shaft. There is then a load of plastic & rubber pipes that then go onto control solenoids that operate EGR, variable vanes on the turbo & anti shudder valve that can leak/fail and cause problems. Usually it'll log a fault and go into limp home mode and remain that way until restarted - on mine that meant no power up hill - but it wasn't shaking. Start from the servo T connector and check every rigid and flexible pipe.

However as it's a common fail and easy cheap to do the unit injector wiring loom is a good call anyway. It usually to start with intermittently drops a cylinder which would give lower power and an engine shake. (Round connector at the end of the cylinder head.)

Any error codes logged? Any new noise from the engine?

Edited by Big John on 10/05/2023 at 13:44

Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - edlithgow

Ah, OK.

VW have retrofitted the inherently reliable diesel engine for vacuum leaks

Sorry.

Forgot about progress

Volkswagen Golf - Loss of power and engine shake missing? - Sailor

Thankyou for all your help.

Last weekend I finally "did" the injector wiring loom. Stupidly I didn't order a new one first! I took the old one out, tightened the plugs, and put it back. Bingo!

Don't waste your time on this its a pain! Its annoying, fiddly and time consuming. I ended up with some broken plastic plug enclosures.

The engine problem seems solved.

I also checked the vacuum hoses, and all are routed correctly, and not obviously damaged.

Gave her an oil change last night. Sounding quite good.

So Thankyou all.

However - 1 - I'm a bit suspicious that managing quite a bit of driving before finally fixing the injector wiring, may have worn something possibly the No4 big end.... due to slap form missing... I had an extra small but "hard" knock at times before fixing....

So If anyone is reading this for advice - Replace the injector wiring loom, its dead easy. The only annoying bit is taking the EGR off to get at one of the rocker cover bolts!

Thankyou "elec and ac doctor" for your reply on the 28th February. I should have followed your advice THEN. you were right!

But really in ONE go Clean (or replace the EGR and inlet manifold, (if they need it ) AND do the injector loom! And it will feel like a new(er) engine!

That should be the end of it however I now have a gearbox or diff problem now due I think to a stupid accident!

Edited by Sailor on 29/06/2023 at 20:32