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ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - edlithgow

Back in Edinburgh for a few weeks. Wandering through a Halfords, noticed some of these. Single hose and gauge, latter in either digital or analogue, with a bit of an "expert system" diagnostic thing apparently going on with the more expensive of the digitals.

They apparently had two .types of refrigerant refill cylinders available, but there werent any on the shelf.

You can buy the more traditional (professional?) two hose/guage sets in Taiwan for just a bit more, but as far as I know there is no DIY access to the refrigerant. Recieved opinion seemed to be this wasn't a practical DIY proposition, so I've left it alone. OTOH, DIY topup has apparently been available in the US for a long time.

Probably academic interest only since I probably wont be motivated to smuggle refrigerant in my hand luggage, but I wondered if anyone had tried them.

ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - Andrew-T

I would think that aircon work is not a DIY proposition, as specialists are required to contain/ collect any loose refrigerant for ozone-layer reasons.

ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - elekie&a/c doctor
I would say they are not a cost effective way to fix the Aircon . The problem arising is that you don’t know how much is in the system already , so it’s possible to overcharge or undercharge it . Also if you top up with one of these miracle cans , what happens if the ac doesn’t work ? You can’t recover the gas and you’ve blown your money .
ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - edlithgow

I would think that aircon work is not a DIY proposition, as specialists are required to contain/ collect any loose refrigerant for ozone-layer reasons.

True, but given Taiwanese attitudes to air pollution I would be a lot less than confident that this would be done by a Taiwanese pro.

ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - Bolt

Back in Edinburgh for a few weeks. Wandering through a Halfords, noticed some of these. Single hose and gauge, latter in either digital or analogue, with a bit of an "expert system" diagnostic thing apparently going on with the more expensive of the digitals.

They apparently had two .types of refrigerant refill cylinders available, but there werent any on the shelf.

You can buy the more traditional (professional?) two hose/guage sets in Taiwan for just a bit more, but as far as I know there is no DIY access to the refrigerant. Recieved opinion seemed to be this wasn't a practical DIY proposition, so I've left it alone. OTOH, DIY topup has apparently been available in the US for a long time.

Probably academic interest only since I probably wont be motivated to smuggle refrigerant in my hand luggage, but I wondered if anyone had tried them.

Halfords were doing a £35 aircon check and diagnostics, not sure if still doing it, but quicker them do it than you waste time and gas on a faulty unit, had mine checked out several months ago but too expensive to repair

ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - Tester

Sorry, slight 'topic divergence' here, but what are people's experiences with actually needing to top up their aircon?

I've only owned two cars since aircon became pretty standard in the UK, and have not needed to top up either of them. The first, a Citroen C5, would presumably have used the older chemicals (can't remember the designation) but I kept it 15 years with no problems. My current car is a Toyota with the newer stuff that's supposed to leak out more easily; it's 7 years old now and aircon works fine when required. I don't activate it unless required for cooling or, more commonly in our climate, to help with demisting.

Have I just been lucky?

ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - elekie&a/c doctor
I would say cars using the new gas (from around 2015) are more prone to leaks due to the fact that the components being used are now very low quality. Manufacturers making parts as cheap as possible. I looked at a 3 year old Renault Clio with 9k miles a few months ago . It had a leaking high pressure pipe. My 20 year old Focus had its last ac service about 5 years ago . Unfortunately the situation is only going to get worse, with makers introducing r744 gas , which is co2 . Working pressures on these systems are about 10 times higher than current installations.
ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - edlithgow
I would say cars using the new gas (from around 2015) are more prone to leaks due to the fact that the components being used are now very low quality. Manufacturers making parts as cheap as possible. I looked at a 3 year old Renault Clio with 9k miles a few months ago . It had a leaking high pressure pipe. My 20 year old Focus had its last ac service about 5 years ago . Unfortunately the situation is only going to get worse, with makers introducing r744 gas , which is co2 . Working pressures on these systems are about 10 times higher than current installations.

Well, if its (pure?) CO2 a) It should be dirt cheap.(OK Theoretically) and b) one could be fairly relaxed about venting it to the atmosphere. (OK, still a greenhouse gas, but not THAT many exhalation equivalents).

So perhaps not all bad, but somehow I can't see it being that simple..

OTOH I suppose by the time it comes into general use there'll be not much coming out of tail pipes, so it'll seem relatively worse.

ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - Andrew-T
Unfortunately the situation is only going to get worse, with makers introducing r744 gas , which is CO2 . Working pressures on these systems are about 10 times higher than current installations.

If the transfer medium is CO2, it will either be gas (inefficient I would think) or liquid. It melts at -56°C but 'boils' at -78°, so will only liquefy under pretty high pressure, about 100 ats at a pure guess. Sudden failure sounds quite possible to me, although pretty harmless environmentally.

ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - elekie&a/c doctor
Absolutely. Standing pressure on co2 is around 100bar . That means the ac components need to be a lot beefier in construction and consequently more expensive. For example, an ac pump on regular gas is around £500 average. I priced up one for an Audi A 8 on co2 , and is was in excess of £3k .
ANY with aircon? - DIY aircon topup kits (in Halfords) - galileo

Liquefaction pressure of CO2 at room temperature is about 850 PSI, I believe.

CO2 powered airguns are therefore lower powered than those powered by springs/gas rams or diver's bottles.