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Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - Catfood

Hi,

I am thinking to purchase Toyota Yaris Hybrid as my next car. It will be my 1st car fitted with a CVT transmission gearbox.

Can I assume if brakes(pad/disc) in Automatic/CVT cars wear out faster than cars with manual transmission ?

I bet it lacks in engine braking means they are harder on brakes ?????

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - RT

If it's a hybrid it's likely to have regenerative braking - which will make the pads/disks last much LONGER.

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - bathtub tom

If it's a hybrid it WILL have regenerative braking - which will make the pads/disks last much LONGER.

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - mcb100
It’ll have a ‘B’ mode on the drive selector which increases the level of regeneration and slows the car equivalent to light braking.
Brake wear is, as above, lower than a non-hybrid ICE.
Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - Engineer Andy
It’ll have a ‘B’ mode on the drive selector which increases the level of regeneration and slows the car equivalent to light braking. Brake wear is, as above, lower than a non-hybrid ICE.

Presumably that's more to do with the brakes discs not warping (which may well cause uneven or excessive brake pad wear) or calipers binding due to periods of inactivity / low usage?

If an equivalent ICE car is used reasonably frequently, would the above issues not occur, and thus the parts last longer?

Admitedly the former seems to benefit a usage pattern similar to mine - less used for reasonable length trips (my Mazda3 has needed replacement discs on occasion despite me being light on the brakes), so perhaps an auto hybrid would suit me next time.

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - edlithgow
It’ll have a ‘B’ mode on the drive selector which increases the level of regeneration and slows the car equivalent to light braking. Brake wear is, as above, lower than a non-hybrid ICE.

Presumably that's more to do with the brakes discs not warping (which may well cause uneven or excessive brake pad wear) or calipers binding due to periods of inactivity / low usage?

If an equivalent ICE car is used reasonably frequently, would the above issues not occur, and thus the parts last longer?

Admitedly the former seems to benefit a usage pattern similar to mine - less used for reasonable length trips (my Mazda3 has needed replacement discs on occasion despite me being light on the brakes), so perhaps an auto hybrid would suit me next time.

Can see why little used calipers might bind, but cant see why little used disks would warp.

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - Engineer Andy
It’ll have a ‘B’ mode on the drive selector which increases the level of regeneration and slows the car equivalent to light braking. Brake wear is, as above, lower than a non-hybrid ICE.

Presumably that's more to do with the brakes discs not warping (which may well cause uneven or excessive brake pad wear) or calipers binding due to periods of inactivity / low usage?

If an equivalent ICE car is used reasonably frequently, would the above issues not occur, and thus the parts last longer?

Admitedly the former seems to benefit a usage pattern similar to mine - less used for reasonable length trips (my Mazda3 has needed replacement discs on occasion despite me being light on the brakes), so perhaps an auto hybrid would suit me next time.

Can see why little used calipers might bind, but cant see why little used disks would warp.

I recalled some thread here about that (can't remember which though) - possibly a side effect of the brake binding then using it. When that happened to my car, I could hear something 'scuffing' on the break disc, but once per rotation at lower speeds.

It may have been surface rust (car sitting outside in all weathers for a week+ at a time), but perhaps the then difference in part of the disc translated ino uneven wear?

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - mcb100
‘ Presumably that's more to do with the brakes discs not warping (which may well cause uneven or excessive brake pad wear) or calipers binding due to periods of inactivity / low usage?’
B mode doesn’t use the wheel brakes, it raises the level of electrical retardation. Just like dropping to a lower gear when descending a steep hill.
mag.toyota.co.uk/hybrid-driving-tips-for-best-fuel.../
Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - Catfood

Thanks for all reply.

I didn't realise the hybrid's brake can possibly last longer than manuals....

I'll remeber that the "B" can be used as engine brake.....

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - Ian_SW

The "B" mode on Toyota CVTs is most definitely an engine brake, though more aggressive than most people would do with a manual gearbox - the engine revs go up somewhere near the red line on a steep hill!!

In normal mode, the electric regeneration when you lift off the accelerator slows the car about the same as engine braking at about 3000rpm I'd guess from how mine behaves, which is more slowing without the brakes than most drivers would do. I've only used "B" mode on properly steep long downhill sections such as when coming down Sutton Bank and some of the roads in the Scottish mountains, its not needed to control speed on more normal hills.

In town, if you drive gently, it only uses the friction brakes to stop for the last few mph. Gently pressing the brake pedal increases the regeneration level first (if there is capacity left to charge in the battery) before applying the brakes as you press the pedal harder.

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - gordonbennet

Toyota calipers should be less prone to seizing issues than almost all other makes, at least whilst still under maker's servicing. Unless things have changed Toyota strip and service brakes correctly on every major service, which would typically be every other year for most normal mileage users, few if any other mass volume makers specify such work on their schedules.

Personally if you're handy i'd whip the pads out and clean and lube the calipers in the intervening year given how little use the hybrid brakes need, i don't know for sure but no reason why the rears shouldn't be drum brakes, if they are they don't need much in the way of servicing and in most cases will operate well for multiple years before needing attention.

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - bathtub tom

Toyota strip and service brakes correctly on every major service

Sorry Gordon, I don't know what planet you're on, but I wouldn't trust them, having had their experience.

Toyota Yaris - Brake Wear on Automatic Car.... - gordonbennet

Toyota strip and service brakes correctly on every major service

Sorry Gordon, I don't know what planet you're on, but I wouldn't trust them, having had their experience.

Because i'm wary, i checked i do know my way around brakes (not EPB's mind but i'll never saddle myself with such tat), yes they'd stripped the front brakes on the Hilux and removed and cleaned out the rear drums, and used lube etc where required.

Not all workshops are the same, dealer or not.

For info that was Northampton dealer when it was still Sims, its now part of the Steven Eagell group.