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Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Hi all,

Sorry if I have gotten anything wrong, this is my first post to the forum, I was wanting to ask a few questions as I hadn't really found any answers to them anywhere else.

I was looking to buy an automatic as my first car, although I'm passing on manual (hopefully) I really don't enjoy driving it and was looking to buy a reliable automatic. I figured Toyota Yaris mark 1 with the torque converter fully automatic gearbox is usually a byword for reliability when compared to the semi autos in more recent yaris's and other cars. The mark 1 can usually be found for around £2000-3000 (I'd be looking to pay more towards £2000) here in the UK and I've found decent well looked after ones for that price.

However, that brings me onto my second main question, I was wondering if it is worth buying an older automatic like this, as I understand they're already, or will be soon 20 years old, my budget can't really stretch further than £3000 (maybe a couple hundred over if there's a really good and newer car)

I've also been looking at aygos and was intrigued by their multimode gearboxes, however it's up for debate if people like these or not, personally they seem really cool, I like the control you have over the car, which seems more so than in a traditional automatic.

That brings my onto another question I have, I'm unaware how reliable these are, so if anyone has had any experience with these then it would be great if you could reply below.

Otherwise, I can't find many other cars in group 10 or under that are automatics, that suit my needs. They're mainly smart cars, which doesn't suit the rural area hilly I live in very well I could probably look up to group 20u but I wouldn't want insurance to get too pricey.

I'm also looking for a car that does combined mpg of over 40, where I live it's just some a and mostly b roads, I probably wouldn't be driving around my local small town of Kendal too often.

I understand there are cars that can be really reliable such as Honda civics, but they aren't as fuel efficient, I like the look of the Suzuki alto facelift models, but they're usually around £4k and I question whether it's worth that much extra for one, considering the build quality etc.

Other cars that I see often are corsas, which I wouldn't really trust, often it's hard to find one in good nick and I doubt they're anywhere near as reliable, specially the automatic gearboxes, there are plentiful of them though and you can get one for around 2k for around 2005/6 and a newer one for around 3k 2008/9.

There are also fiat pandas and Honda Jazz's, but being a young bloke they aren't exactly the ideal cars in terms of looks, if these are super reliable automatics then I'll consider them, as I do put practicality over aesthetics. I like the look of the grande Punto and the Ford fiesta, but again with an automatic gearbox I am unaware how good the grande Punto is and I've heard Ford auto gearboxes are rubbish. (Been watching a lot of high peak autos videos on yt)

I've been researching a car to buy for best part of a year now, so I have quite a lot of knowledge on them and what I'm looking for, but I'm hopeful if I keep saving up then prices will keep going down as it isn't the best time to buy an auto.

If anyone can speak from knowledge or experience and correct anything I've said then I'd massively appreciate it. Thanks so much for reading.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - De Sisti

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Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - alan1302

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You don't need to tell us - personally thought it was a very good, well thought out post. Better to be longer and have lots of information so people can advise better.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Cheers Alan, I thought the same, didn't want to be too vague.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Steveieb

Bought my daughter in law a Mk 1 auto Yaris 1999 four years ago .

Its been brilliant and everything still works including the air con. Just needed routine servicing.

Early ones up to 2001 built in Japan. Later ones built in France with MMT gearbox which failed on her mothers Yaris.

Finding one is going to be difficult but the Yaris Verso was voted the most reliable car that Which magazine tested

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Bought my daughter in law a Mk 1 auto Yaris 1999 four years ago .

Its been brilliant and everything still works including the air con. Just needed routine servicing.

Early ones up to 2001 built in Japan. Later ones built in France with MMT gearbox which failed on her mothers Yaris.

Finding one is going to be difficult but the Yaris Verso was voted the most reliable car that Which magazine tested

That's great thanks for the info, I think the ones up to 2005 have fully automatic gearboxes, how much did you pay for your MK1 out of interest? Thanks

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Steveieb

The Yaris cost £2000 , but that was four years ago. I’m sure it’s worth that now. It had no service record and just needed a new battery under wattanty.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - badbusdriver

Main question on whether or not a MK1 Yaris is too old. If it is in good condition, the MOT history and service records points to it having been looked after, go for it.

The Aygo, well first off, it is one of a trio of cars mechanically identical but with minor styling differences, the other two being the Citroen C1 and the Peugeot 107/108. But, I really wouldn't advise a single clutch automated manual (I'll refer to these as AGS from now on, easier to type!) like what you will find in the above. Not necessarily because of reliability, but because they are not that nice to drive. We have a current shape Suzuki Ignis with this type of transmission, and while I didn't think it that bad on the shortish test drive I took before ordering, nearly two years in I have grown to dislike it quite a lot!. It works best if driven as a clutchless manual, i.e, you do the shifts yourself, but that kind of defeats the point of an auto. Left in auto mode, you will often find yourself in situations where you look like a learner driver on their first lesson!.

Insurance. Don't get too fixated on actual insurance groups, get quotes. My nephews first car at the age of 17 was a Skoda Fabia VRS 1.9 TDI with 130bhp. I can't remember what it cost insure, but it was a lot less than a Fiesta 1.4 petrol (80bhp and quite a few insurance groups lower than the Fabia) he had got a quote for. I queried him about it and according to him, the insurance company considered the Fabia a 'family car'(?).

With both the Civic and Jazz, Honda dabbled with AGS's, and your budget would probably land you slap bang in the middle of that period. Sticking with the Jazz, I am curious that you consider a MK1 Yaris an acceptable car for a young bloke, but not a Jazz. While I don't subscribe to the 'that is an old persons car' mentality, I would consider both to have a very similar image and appeal to the same type of person.

There is no reason a Smart car would have any more difficulty on hilly roads than an Aygo. It isn't the size of the car that matters here but power to weight ratio. But both use the same type of gearbox so, in auto mode, neither would be much fun in this environment.

Re the Suzuki Alto, build quality and reliability are two different, unrelated things. I'd be put off the Alto because of the gearbox, but they are very reliable (and cheap to run) little cars otherwise.

Any likely problems regarding an auto Corsa or Fiesta are going to depend on the gearbox type as both have gone through phases with AGS. Ford also used a dual clutch automated manual (DCT) called the Powershift, these are not known for being reliable.

Your biggest problem is budget as £2k, or even £3k, is not going to go far in the current market. On top of that, because small auto's are much more expensive than a manual equivalent, you are going to end up in an older car. That isn't necessarily a problem re reliability, but an older torque converter auto is unlikely to have more than 4 gears. And in hilly terrain like the Lake District, the car will be working hard, which will do the efficiency no favours at all. So I'd suggest going for a manual at the moment, you will have way more choice and you will get a younger car for the money. Even going for a manual, you really need to focus on condition above all else at that money, any car could be worth buying if it has been well looked after.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Big John

Main question on whether or not a MK1 Yaris is too old. If it is in good condition, the MOT history and service records points to it having been looked after, go for it.

Agreed - but condition is all. I think the mkI only had a conventional Auto? With a car approaching its second decade you really need to thoroughly inspect as many cars this age are heading to the big scrap yard in the sky. Rust is still a thing! As badbusdriver mentions history/service records are important - there could be the odd one owner version around that's been garaged all its life! Hard to find though. The Yaris does have a tiny boot though.

A friend of mine's wife had an MMT Aygo and initially it was a pig - although he did sus it after a while (he was a trained mechanic) and introduced a maintenance/ lubrication routine that then made it reliable for many years although he's now running a Peugeot with the fabulous EAT gearbox.

The other small auto car that had a traditional auto box(with overdrive) until 63 plate was the 1.6 Nissan note. Insurance group 14 - but it's worth getting a quote as it's not normally classed as a "boy racer" car. I was amazed at the difference between cars re insurance when our son first past his test. Our 1.4 Octavia was about the same cost to insure as our 1.2 Panda.

Edited by Big John on 01/06/2022 at 18:52

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Thanks very much for your comment, my friend got a note actually, personally not my cup of tea but heard they're really reliable I'll keep the insurance thing in mind. I've been looking at cars such as a Volvo 30 (smaller car) or something (can't remember which letter) and it was about group 20u yet the same price to insure as a fiesta, even with a 2 litre diesel turbo. Not really interested in anything too flashy like that, just want something that if anything goes wrong, I won't have to scrap it. An Aygo does sound ideal as the parts are readily available, not sure if the same can be said for a car such as a VW Up? I suppose they are newer so they won't need replacing parts. Would you recommend buying a car at 100,000 or sticking to a lower milage well kept example? I've always been a bit put off looking over 100k miles as for a first car, I haven't wanted any problems. Thanks so much for your time.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - edlithgow

running a Peugeot with the fabulous EAT gearbox.

Fabulously unfortunate name, though I suppose its OK in French.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Can I just say an absolutely huge thank you for answering my question in such detail, I couldn't be more thankful, I've been waiting for an answer like this for almost a year now! Tonight I've made up my mind after several other comments that I will do as you say, I think I may even be able to possibly save up a little extra and buy an Up! Or the seat and Skoda equivalent, it would be wonderful to have a more modern car as it just relives stress on typical things to look for in older cars such as rust etc, of course it may still be an issue but you can just expect longer livespan from a newer car, which is just an amazing piece of mind, although it would be a manual car for my first one, at least I'll be driving it daily rather than my driving instructor car, which is once a week. Sure I'll get used to it, I'm glad I didn't take an automatic test, as I'd be very limited. The manual options just spoil me for choice to be honest, so I'll make sure to research a new one to buy, I do like the look of a fiesta, Mazda 2 and the Volkswagen polo, but I think I'll leave them all as options and if I spot a good manual car with all the bells and whistles (fsh, low milage, few owners and great condition) I'll snap it up. Shame my budget can't stretch but not every 17 year old has a trust fund or a car already bought for them! You've helped a young bloke out and I really appreciate it. Can't wait to hopefully be on the roads. I come to honest John for all my reviews and for a new manual car it'll be no different, I'll come back to the forum if I have any questions! :)

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Adampr

You've kind of hit on the perennial problem for first time car buyers - you want granny car reliability and running costs but not granny car image. Other than something like a SEAT Mii FR Line (looks like a GTI, goes like a glacier), which is out of your price range, I would suggest sniffing around the more obscure Japanese, Korean and Malaysian models, so:

Proton Savvy

Perodua Myvi

Daihatau Cuore

Subaru Justy

Chevrolet Spark

Suzuki Splash

Hyundai Getz

Mitsubishi Colt

I have had a Colt CZ1 and it was quite lively and (in 3 door) good looking.

Otherwise, I can't speak to the reliability of these, or quality of their auto gearboxes, but they are other stones to look under. I would agree that an auto is probably not the way to go. At that age and engine power, it will not be efficient or pleasant.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Xileno

A work colleague had a MK1 Yaris from new in 2002. Although totally reliable, rust killed it in the end. Structural rust around the suspension and sills. Patched up for the odd MOT but just got too much to bother with. So be careful and check the MOT history for advisories or failures on rust.

If you could consider a manual transmission it would greatly increase your choice and get you a newer car for your budget.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Yeah shame, my dad had one which is why I wanted one, it was really nice and I liked the look of it, maybe just nostalgic as I grew up my whole life with it. Crazy how expensive they are now

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Steveieb

From my experience I always go for aJapanese built Toyota whenever possible. Check out the J on the Vin plate .

They have components sourced from associate companies in Japan , not parts bought in France to make up the local content.

The paint work and corrosion resistance appears superior when comparing the two and if possible go for the high spec car with A/C and a sunroof for no more money.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - expat
if possible go for the high spec car with A/C and a sunroof for no more money.

A 17 year old car may not have working A/C. They need to be regularly used on the seals go. Sunroof is just a possible cause of leaks. Fine when the car is new. Just another problem on an old vehicle. Spec doesn't matter too much on an old car. More gadgets is more to go wrong. Buy on condition and check the old MOTs. Also buy private. Dealer cars at your price range will be junk.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Thanks very much for your reply, I really appreciate it. I have seen some of those cars, although they are quite rare such as the proton savvy, I'm also not entirely sure how easy parts can be sourced, so I've just decided to steer clear (no pun intended!) The Mitsubishi's colt is fairly good value for money, does look very similar to the A class which for me is a little odd. Thank you very much for your time again, I appreciate your advice!

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Adampr

One very left field thought; if you want a reliable efficient auto you might consider a Prius. You could get a 10-15 year old one for your budget. It will have a lot of miles on it, but find one with full Toyota history and you should be OK.

I would still recommend a manual though.

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Euan Christie

Ah thank you, yes had glanced at a Prius, as I do like the hybrid option, they're all high milage but I've always figured they'd be reliable, I'll probably do what you say and opt for a manual, cheers!

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - SLO76
Keep it simple, a Prius at £2k will be one step from the scrapyard. Don’t go in with a fixed list of cars, buy on condition and history over make and model and I’d definitely open things up by looking at manuals as well otherwise you’ll really be restricting your options.

My shortlist would be.

Mazda 2 petrol - the autos are good on these too.
Ford Fiesta 1.25/1.4 petrol - pre-Powershift autos are fine.
Toyota Yaris 1.0/1.33 petrol - Pre and post MMT autos are fine.
Vauxhall Corsa 1.2/1.4 petrol - Not brilliant cars but a well cared for example is a better bet that a tatty Yaris etc and the autos are good.
Nissan Micra 1.2/1.4 - Good little cars and pre CVT autos are ok.
Nissan Note 1.4/1.6 - As above but more boxy. Very practical little cars and decent to drive, much better than a Jazz, especially if you want an auto.


I’d avoid any automated manual gearboxes like Toyota’s MMT, Honda’s I-shift, VW’s DSG and Fords Powershift. Forget turbos and ignore diesels. Buy the most basic petrol engined car you can find and base your choice on condition and history. Stick to simple mass market cars to keep parts prices low and spares availability high. Forget Protons, Daihatsu’s, Subaru’s etc, you’ll struggle to get non-service parts at sensible money, much of it will either have to be imported or will be dealer only and cripplingky expensive as in the case of the Subaru.

Edited by SLO76 on 03/06/2022 at 14:30

Toyota Yaris - 17yo first automatic car, MK1 Yaris too old? - Rerepo

Any conventional auto in your price range is likely to be old and/or very high mileage. Even a Toyota autobox wears out eventually and cost of repairs will lead you to scrap the car. Moreover if you live in a hilly area a small auto is not a great choice - the 'box will steal some power and hill climbing/descending in an auto robs you of some control. I prefer a manual on hilly roads.

My strong advice is to go for something like a Toyota Aygo/Pug. 108/Cit. C1 in manual form. They are all basically the same car. Parts are about as cheap as it gets and repairs are very easy. They are reliable to high mileages and not at all bad to drive. The clutches are adjustable (very easy) so if the clutch feels very high and abrupt don't be put off.