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No chance. My car is 19 years old and still running fine. When it dies I'll probably buy another ten year old car and run that.
I think you'll see 21 plate petrol cars still in regular use by 2040 and beyond.
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My fear is that once confidence in EV's properly build-then petrol retailers will start closing faster than rats going up drainpipes...
Can't see that happening. It may be that number of petrol pumps available start to reduce, certainly in cities where EV's make most sense for the time being. But there will still be petrol pumps for a long time to come, especially in rural areas.
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It probably depends on mileage. If you are a high miler with good access to charging, an EV might be a wiser choice. But if you only drive a few thousand miles a year the ICE probably makes more financial sense.
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Go for it. The Sandero is a good reliable car and should easily last ten years or more. In 2030 the price of used petrol and diesel cars will go through the roof. Look what's happening now with a slight squeeze on the supply of new vehicles. In fact it's probably a good idea to trade it in for another new petrol car sometime in 2029.
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Buying a new petrol Sandero at around half the price of similar size EV makes sense.
If kept for (say) three years there will still be a market for s/h petrol vehicles - the s/h EV market will still be immature with high prices and limited supply.
If kept long term (8-10 years++) any car will be of little value at sale time - even EVs will be obsolete due to battery developments increasing range and reducing costs.
Just my opinion but those who think a 10 year old ICE car will be high value and in demand in 2032 are (not wishing to be rude) mistaken.
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Just my opinion but those who think a 10 year old ICE car will be high value and in demand in 2032 are (not wishing to be rude) mistaken.
It all depends upon whether the infrastructure will support them as a mass market vehicle and second handcar and battery prices come down sufficiently for those buying 10yo ICE cars to afford them.
Otherwise there'll still be a decent market for 2nd hand ICE cars (especially if reliability and especially corrosion issues are properly resolved for the long term), or we'll be back in the Downton Abbey era when only the upper middle class and above can afford to run a car.
Note that ICE cars will not be banned 10 years hence, just buying new ones. I still suspect that there is a lot of mileage (pardon the pun) in the debate as to when new ICE cars will not be allowed to be sold, just because the current crop of (naive, stupid and/or corrupt [take your pick]) politicians say so at the moment.
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Unless there is some joined up writing on a charging network soon I can see ICE having a bit of an extension. Nobody is saying for instance what is a solution for high rise and terrace properties of which there are millions. I don't think I would want to be stuck with a complicated hybrid either. Most ice bought today should be good for at least 10 years if not longer. If and when ICE does dry up I can see some buying ICE models that perhaps would not be their first choice As people begin to see that climate change is not the emergency that some would have us believe attitudes will change
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As it happens I think climate change is for real - but I am also of the view that the UK is a sufficiently wealthy, temperate country that is (mostly) capable of adapting. Many poorer bits of the world will struggle.
ICE uses limited reserves of carbon based fuels - EV has the potential to use only green and nuclear sources (although not yet). If folk think current energy costs are high (gas, oil) just wait a few years as global demand continues to increase.
Even if unconvinced by climate change, a hash economic reality makes transition to green energy sources a high priority.
Since 2016 the number of public charging points has grown from ~6k to ~30k, excluding private charging in homes and apartments, offices etc. Whether the rate of progress can be maintained is speculation.
The government is unlikely to change policy on banning new ICE from 2030 unless it is abundantly apparent that supply infrastructure is a major constraint. Even to acknowledge the possibility may reduce RV uptake.
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As it happens I think climate change is for real - but I am also of the view that the UK is a sufficiently wealthy, temperate country that is (mostly) capable of adapting. Many poorer bits of the world will struggle.
Yes and perhaps. Unlike certain nutty US politicians from New York, the world won't be ending by 2032. The climate is always changing, whether naturally or to some extent (still a matter of debate as to how much and how quickly), so I'd say that we all have time to adapt as required - but only if we all get along and stop wasting resources and polluting the environment.
I think there's far more danger from microplastics, dumped waste, et al as that gets into the water (especially the oceans, which do regulate the global temperature/weather) and food chain.
There was significant progress on reducing poverty and the effects of weather events in developing nations over the last 10-20 years than those before, and that was mainly due to those nations doing better economically.
ICE uses limited reserves of carbon based fuels - EV has the potential to use only green and nuclear sources (although not yet). If folk think current energy costs are high (gas, oil) just wait a few years as global demand continues to increase.
Even if unconvinced by climate change, a hash economic reality makes transition to green energy sources a high priority.
Why? The only reason why fuel prices are high at the moment is because of the residual effects of the pandemic response - many of which I feel are unwarranted, and because of certain geopolitical events that have led to a deliberate shortage of natural gas (and to some extent oil) and a ramping up of wholesale prices because of those events maybe leading to wars.
That many nations, especially in Europe, rely heavily on natural gas to generate electricity, means that EVs would be serious affected as well; similarly most PV panels are made in China, thus they are affected price and availability-wise as well.
Go back to Dec 2019 and things were quite normal otherwise, including economically.
What doesn't help now is how many already rich and powerful forces are also behind these 'green' policies, which (like the pandemic respopnse) stand to further enrich them (money and power) at everyone else's expense.
Nuclear outside of the UK is essentially off the table for the time being because of the fear caused by the Fukashima incident and many politicians in-hoc to the greenie brigade, who hate nuclear, and even here we have very little expertise left in that field, hence why we've gone to France and China for the large scale power plants (not a good idea for the latter, given what they've been up to on several fronts).
I would like to be convinced about the oft-put forward small scale plants from home-grown firms (nuclear sub type I think), but nothing ever seems to come of it. I often wonder if it's been oversold, rather like a lot of the green tech that rarely reaches the potential sold to the politicians (and with them getting huge subsidies decades later).
Since 2016 the number of public charging points has grown from ~6k to ~30k, excluding private charging in homes and apartments, offices etc. Whether the rate of progress can be maintained is speculation.
The problem is that having one charging point for 'an office' or a private home won't help others who can't use those chargers either because they are in use, the space taken up (on someone else's property) or they live in a flat).
Unless and until ultra fast charging, the same time as that for ICE filling station usage, is implemented to the same degree (which will require a step change in the equipment, batteries and huge changes to infrastructure, including building of the (with highly reliable chargers - something that isn't present now) manned charging stations, it's a pipe dream other than for the well-off.
The government is unlikely to change policy on banning new ICE from 2030 unless it is abundantly apparent that supply infrastructure is a major constraint. Even to acknowledge the possibility may reduce RV uptake.
It would if it started to lose votes once the lower middle and especially working class voters realise they won't be able to afford said EVs, especially as so-called 'environmental' laws mandating manufacturers to reduce emissions very rapidly means that smaller cars will get to be EV only first (Micra, Fiat 500 for example) rather than the mdeium and larger ones.
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"""Nobody is saying for instance what is a solution for high rise and terrace properties of which there are millions."""
EV is going places but is there a solution to the above? If not home charging one hell of a lot of public chargers somewhere unless you can charge in 5mins like fuelling at a petrol station .
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"""Nobody is saying for instance what is a solution for high rise and terrace properties of which there are millions."""
EV is going places but is there a solution to the above? If not home charging one hell of a lot of public chargers somewhere unless you can charge in 5mins like fuelling at a petrol station .
High rise buildings have car parks where they cars are parked so why not have the chargers in the car parks?
Terrace properties could have chargers built into the kerb/pavements etc.
The solutions are there - you just need to put someone in charge who can get it done.
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<< Terrace properties could have chargers built into the kerb/pavements etc. >>
Not a solution I would like to see implemented, tho it may well be the only workable one. Many roads are already littered with kerbside street furniture, much of which gets hit by delivery vehicles or others. Yet more chaos whenever something buried needs digging up.
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"""Nobody is saying for instance what is a solution for high rise and terrace properties of which there are millions."""
EV is going places but is there a solution to the above? If not home charging one hell of a lot of public chargers somewhere unless you can charge in 5mins like fuelling at a petrol station .
High rise buildings have car parks where they cars are parked so why not have the chargers in the car parks?
Where, exactly? Most have no space for them, including the car park where my car (and every other one on the housing development where I live) is parked. Most flat blocks are the same or even worse, e.g. high-rise ones (mine's low rise) with car parking like municipal car parks but with no pavement/dege etc beween the ends of spaces.
Terrace properties could have chargers built into the kerb/pavements etc.
This wouldn't work.
a) they would be liable to be vandalised;
b) again, most won't fit.
c) who'd pay for them? My housing development, like an increasing number, is situated on (deliberately) unadopted roads (a great way for councils to get full council tax revenues but to not have responsibility to look after new roads, street lights, parkland, etc)
Imagine how much it would cost for my (private) housing association to install 110 charging points (assuming we could - see above), including where all the cars would park whilst the work is being carried out (we already don't have enough spaces and need parking control). This is not uncommon either.
The solutions are there - you just need to put someone in charge who can get it done.
See above. Its for those reasons why I believe the plans to go full EV are way too soon and need to be done over a much longer period (for many other good reasons that I've mentioned on other topics before) so that it can be done organically so it can be affordable.
Iit's all well and good those who already can afford EVs and home chargers telling everyone else how they should front huge bills and disruption, but as I've shown, for the vast majority in those housing situations (and that amounts to tens of millions of people in the UK alone), the current plans are unworkable and budget-criplling.
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""""the current plans are unworkable and budget-crippling.""""
That's just it, what plans? I cannot see anything being even remotely discussed as too how millions will charge their EV
People who live in terraces have great trouble parking outside their house, a lot parking in the same street even. The chances of them having a home charger at possibly favourable night tariffs are next to Zero. They would not be happy having to go to public chargers all the time and having to pay electric rates far higher than others
Maybe the new highway code is being far sighted and see most of us on bikes
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The US has ~800 cars per 1000 population, most of western Europe ~500-600, China ~200, India ~50. The rest of the world aspires European standards of living - not just cars but all aspects of life - heating, aircon, lighting, consumer durables etc etc.
This takes energy. You are at liberty to believe that the current hike in energy prices is temporary. I think you are completely wrong - global demand will continue to increase for a diminishing resource with only one long term economic outcome.
Over the coming few years, certain things seem plausible:
- improvements to battery technology, increased range, lower cost, faster charging
- energy companies make money selling power - they will increase capacity if demand is there
- supermarkets, hotels, theatres etc want to attract customers - one way is providing charging facilities
- workplaces may need to install charging points to attract the best staff
- planning regulation can/should mandate charging points
Most folk will need to charge once or twice a week, not daily. I am sure there will be local and regional hiccups, but there are no absolute barriers to 100% EV, only time.
That you can't charge at home (nor fill up your car with petrol) is largely irrelevant. All major political parties are committed to the change in policy, and unlikely to change direction in the absence of an insoluble major impediment.
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"""Nobody is saying for instance what is a solution for high rise and terrace properties of which there are millions."""
EV is going places but is there a solution to the above? If not home charging one hell of a lot of public chargers somewhere unless you can charge in 5mins like fuelling at a petrol station.
High rise buildings have car parks where they cars are parked so why not have the chargers in the car parks?
Where, exactly? Most have no space for them, including the car park where my car (and every other one on the housing development where I live) is parked. Most flat blocks are the same or even worse, e.g., high-rise ones (mine's low rise) with car parking like municipal car parks but with no pavement/edge etc between the ends of spaces.
Terrace properties could have chargers built into the kerb/pavements etc.
This wouldn't work.
a) they would be liable to be vandalised.
b) again, most won't fit.
c) who'd pay for them? My housing development, like an increasing number, is situated on (deliberately) unadopted roads (a great way for councils to get full council tax revenues but to not have responsibility to look after new roads, street lights, parkland, etc)
Imagine how much it would cost for my (private) housing association to install 110 charging points (assuming we could - see above), including where all the cars would park whilst the work is being carried out (we already don't have enough spaces and need parking control). This is not uncommon either.
The solutions are there - you just need to put someone in charge who can get it done.
See above. It’s for those reasons why I believe the plans to go full EV are way too soon and need to be done over a much longer period (for many other good reasons that I've mentioned on other topics before) so that it can be done organically so it can be affordable.
It's all well and good those who already can afford EVs and home chargers telling everyone else how they should front huge bills and disruption, but as I've shown, for the vast majority in those housing situations (and that amounts to tens of millions of people in the UK alone), the current plans are unworkable and budget-crippling.
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I agree with Engineer Andy.
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Assume you live in a high rise with no onsite charging capability. You never go to work, the shops, hotels, sporting venues etc etc where chargers are increasingly likely to be installed.
Why then are you bothered about whether you can charge the car - frankly you don't need one. And the government will be very happy that you become a disgruntled public transport user.
There is only one scenario where I can see a problem. You live in a high rise, retired so don't work, only ever go out to see friends and family in other high rises.
You may just have to accept that you spend a few hours a week sitting in the local Tesco car park to charge your car. Not really an issue as you do nothing else anyway.
With apologies to those who think I am being deliberately provocative, insensitive or unfair.
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You won't get charge points installed everywhere for the same reason there aren't petrol pumps everywhere.
There will be places to go and charge and as long as you go somewhere from time to time there is a charger it's not a big deal. I have to go somewhere now to "fill the car" up. I can't do it at home.
There is a huge challenge around infrastructure but a lot of the existing fuel suppliers will be investing heavily - they have to, otherwise they'll have no business.
With some of the super fast chargers coming on stream 15-20 minutes will do about a week's use for a lot of people. And, frankly, if you never, ever go somewhere for 20 minutes it begs the question why you have a car.
The challenge I think is around generation of the power and the back-bone to get it in sufficient quantities where there are large numbers of fast chargers.
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The challenge I think is around generation of the power and the back-bone to get it in sufficient quantities where there are large numbers of fast chargers.
Was reading a piece with the National Grid and they don't see any upcoming issues with the extra demand that there will be.
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Assume you live in a high rise with no onsite charging capability. You never go to work, the shops, hotels, sporting venues etc etc where chargers are increasingly likely to be installed.
None - not ONE of my workplaces has ever had sufficient car parking spaces to accommodate all staff members driving in to work. At most (small firms), they could manage about 50%, and most - companies with 30 staff and above, were lucky to have enough for 20% of their staff.
Sure, not everyone comes into the office each day, but that probably accounts for about 10-15% of the workforce. Thus you have a sizeable chunk who have to park elsewhere, often on side roads, including non-adopted ones on industrial estates and business parks, and (more often than you think) some way away from their place of work.
As I also said before, most car parks do not have any space adjacent (including at the back) of each parking space to accommodate a charger - in fact, most are nowadays barely can accommodate a medium sized car.
Sadly, I rarely got to travel to a sports centre or hotel during my everyday work activities, even when I was travelling for work to meetings, site visits, and for surveys. Thus they would be of little use, especially with many locations (e.g. building sites) inherently not having any chargers at them.
Why then are you bothered about whether you can charge the car - frankly you don't need one. And the government will be very happy that you become a disgruntled public transport user.
Other than commuting (see above), people DO use their car for other purpoises. And it might get your notice that not all businesses, organisations and private indivisuals you visit would have the space (people living in flats or terraced housing) or money (grants now going) to afford to install charging points.
A Telegraph article yesterday said that most councils are not keen as even with government subsidies (whiuch won't cover all the costs, in fact, nowhere near), to install them to the degree needed in municpal car parks and especially the robust and frequent on-street parking type.
There is only one scenario where I can see a problem. You live in a high rise, retired so don't work, only ever go out to see friends and family in other high rises.
With respect, that's not correct. All it requires is any combination of the two, and the aforementioned scenarios, PLUS for chargers to be not working (quite frequent these days, if news reports are correct), not compatible (e.g. Teslas only at motorway service stops aside from 2 or 3, which might not be working themselves) and/or are already in use.
I would have to keep returning from whever I was - workplace, visiting a client or firend/family member (often well away from their locale) to check if another charging point was now free for me to charge up, and then stay there to make sure it charged up properly and wasn't vanadalised.
You may just have to accept that you spend a few hours a week sitting in the local Tesco car park to charge your car. Not really an issue as you do nothing else anyway.
I'm sure that will be of no bother to the better off who increasingly don't give a rat's back side about anyone but themselves because they have all what's needed with no fuss.
Noting also that every space in the car park would then be full with EV cars charging and frozen food defrosting - even when I go on holiday and need a full load of groceries I do not spend an hour in a supermarket. Normal week - 10-15 mins, big shop, perhaps 30 mins.
Again, see issues above about charging and existing car parks or charging issues. Do I only go shopping when I know I can get home on the existing charge? What happens if I need to go to work or a longer trip the next day but have to buy frozen food?
It's easy when you have the resources, but not for many millions of other people.
With apologies to those who think I am being deliberately provocative, insensitive or unfair.
Ditto. I have no problem with discussions when people are being honest in their opinions, even when each side thinks the other is completely wrong.
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Where, exactly? Most have no space for them, including the car park where my car (and every other one on the housing development where I live) is parked. Most flat
In the floor under the cars - delivered wirelessly? Each car park space has a charger built in. Public car parks could be the same. Terrace roads could have them.
You are an engineer - can you not think of anything?
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"""Nobody is saying for instance what is a solution for high rise and terrace properties of which there are millions."""
EV is going places but is there a solution to the above? If not home charging one hell of a lot of public chargers somewhere unless you can charge in 5mins like fuelling at a petrol station .
NIO have invested heavily in the battery exchange option, which would suit the millions of Chinese who live in all those massive blocks of flats seen in all Chinese cities. Funny how we used to say we were 10yrs behind the Americans.
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"""Nobody is saying for instance what is a solution for high rise and terrace properties of which there are millions."""
EV is going places but is there a solution to the above? If not home charging one hell of a lot of public chargers somewhere unless you can charge in 5mins like fuelling at a petrol station .
NIO have invested heavily in the battery exchange option, which would suit the millions of Chinese who live in all those massive blocks of flats seen in all Chinese cities. Funny how we used to say we were 10yrs behind the Americans.
I can't see battery exchange being viable for many years - likely several decades, because not only do they need to incredibly robust (physically and long lived) to withstand the beating they will undoubtedly get from being manhandled and usage (including not as directed, by i****s), but that they would need to be VERY light and small so that they can be swapped easily and quickly, including by the less able-boddied.
Existing proper EV packs weighs well in excess of 100kg, often a LOT more and takes up a lot of space, often somewhere inaccessible to the driver, under the car.. To get it down to a manageable weight and small enough to put (say) in the 'engine' compartment or underboot area, the level of improvement in energey density would have to be astounding.
Note also that all existing EVs would then be rendered worthless (junk) because they wouldn't be able to participate due to having no facility to upgrade (easily), especially as it would be poorer people who would likely be onwing said vehcile as a 10-15yo used car by then.
Unless EVs could be made so cheap that even poorer people could afford them when under 5 years old, then we'd have to wait until at least 2040 for them to get cheap enough on the second hand market, and that's assuming the battery issue above was completely resolved, never mind all the raw materials, recycling and infrastructure ones I've mentioned here and on other threads on similar topics.
I think many 'solutions' are often very overly-optimistic about what they can viably achieve, the cost, knock-on issues, problems to resolve to get them operational to be of use and the timescale.
Glass half empty I might be on this, but I think I'm being realistic.
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Bearing in mind we already have 350Kw chargers which will become more widespread both in terms of numbers and cars able to work with them (with no doubt more powerful to come) I can't really see any great demand for easy swap batteries.
No one seems to be taking the swap route for this reason. If you can get a decent charge in typical car in 10 minutes a swap would have to be of F1 proportions to be even worth considering.
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Sat 1 million cars commute to work. All plugged in to 350KW chargers at 6pm and switch on at say 9pm. . The resulting power demand surge - 350GW - exceeds current demand by a factor of 7.
So metered charging would take hours.
Please check my maths!
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My wife (when she had to go to the office every day) had what most people think of as a long commute, 50 miles each way, so 100 mile round trip.
A reasonably efficient EV will do about 4 miles per kWh. That means that each day she would need to put 25kWh of electricity into her car each day. That's possible via a 13 amp plug in about 9 hours, or 4 hours on a typical 7kW dedicated home charger.
If every house drew another 3kW during the night, that wouldn't bring the grid down, and would just being night time electricity consumption closer in line with what is used in the day.
In reality, most cars do significantly less mileage than this - I think the average daily commute is something like 15 miles round trip. Average mileage of cars is about 8000 miles per year. A decent EV will go 250 miles between charges, so only needs to be charged up 32 times per year. Even if that's rounded up a bit because people won't want to run on the EV equivalent of fumes, most people will only need to charge once a week most of the time.
The big grid capacity constraint will be places like motorway service stations. They have about 400 parking spaces, and on a busy Saturday in summer, most of those spaces on places like Michaelwood are used by people stopping off halfway on a 300 mile journey. If every person there needed a fast charger (let's assume 200kW), that is a total load of 80 megawatts (electrical load of about half the London Underground if my maths is correct) needed to be available in a rural area.
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Presumably every car will not plug in at once.
It is worth noting the current petrol/diesel delivery method certainly cannot cope with every car filling up every day at the same time either as we saw in September.
A lot of people will only be plugging in once every week or two weeks and even them maybe for only 15 minutes or less on a very fast charger.
I get the challenges, I'm just not sure they are the ones everyone thinks they are.
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Presumably every car will not plug in at once.
It is worth noting the current petrol/diesel delivery method certainly cannot cope with every car filling up every day at the same time either as we saw in September.
A lot of people will only be plugging in once every week or two weeks and even them maybe for only 15 minutes or less on a very fast charger.
I get the challenges, I'm just not sure they are the ones everyone thinks they are.
It's not difficult for anyone the think through their present car usage patterns and see how they're affected if they switched to EV - some patterns aren't a problem, others need a change of habits to work but some are impossible to overcome.
For me, it's the barriers to towing a caravan 400 miles/day in a sensible time - and monthly day trips of 400 miles to places with no electricity and no chargers.
It's not helped by the WLTP over-optimism compared to motorway cruising at the legal limit - it also applies to IC cars but the much bigger range (960 miles in my case) acts as a buffer.
Edited by RT on 31/01/2022 at 14:47
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My wife (when she had to go to the office every day) had what most people think of as a long commute, 50 miles each way, so 100 mile round trip.
A reasonably efficient EV will do about 4 miles per kWh. That means that each day she would need to put 25kWh of electricity into her car each day. That's possible via a 13 amp plug in about 9 hours, or 4 hours on a typical 7kW dedicated home charger.
If every house drew another 3kW during the night, that wouldn't bring the grid down, and would just being night time electricity consumption closer in line with what is used in the day.
In reality, most cars do significantly less mileage than this - I think the average daily commute is something like 15 miles round trip. Average mileage of cars is about 8000 miles per year. A decent EV will go 250 miles between charges, so only needs to be charged up 32 times per year. Even if that's rounded up a bit because people won't want to run on the EV equivalent of fumes, most people will only need to charge once a week most of the time.
The big grid capacity constraint will be places like motorway service stations. They have about 400 parking spaces, and on a busy Saturday in summer, most of those spaces on places like Michaelwood are used by people stopping off halfway on a 300 mile journey. If every person there needed a fast charger (let's assume 200kW), that is a total load of 80 megawatts (electrical load of about half the London Underground if my maths is correct) needed to be available in a rural area.
I know many people have said that the national grid would not fall over, but I wonder how local networks would fair, especially if people were plugging in between 6-8pm when lots of people are also using lots of other home electrica equipment, including electric ovens and hobs, which do draw a significant amount of juice.
I've worked on some (a small minority) building services refurb (and new build) projects where they've required the local substation to be upgraded, which supposedly costs six or seven figure sums.
Sometimes it just takes the addition of A/C to a reasonable-sized building to require this, which could be the equivalent to many EVs being charged at that time I stated, perhaps with more homes using heat pumps for heating as well.
In with the comment I made about a Telegraph report from over the weekend on issues not everyone is aware of when getting an EV charger at home, there was another whereby the home owner must have their own electrical supply to the home directly from the mains in the street, and some apparently have a feed onto one home's property (presumably the front garden/driveway) which then splits off to serve adjoining properties.
This would mean they all would have to have them separated to solely be on their property, which would require a significant amount of groundworks, which would not be cheap. This is one of my chief concerns for those of us living in flats.
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Sat 1 million cars commute to work. All plugged in to 350KW chargers at 6pm and switch on at say 9pm. . The resulting power demand surge - 350GW - exceeds current demand by a factor of 7.
So metered charging would take hours.
Please check my maths!
I'll take your word for it!
One of the many benefits of using liquid fuels, which can be (relatively easily) stored for long periods and yet dispensed quite quickly at certain times of the day, then replaced (by tanker) when demand is low when people are at work or overnight. These fuels therefore don't need to be produced in a very short space of time, thus spreading out their own electricity demand over the entire day/week.
Not so easy for electricity if battery energy density is not equal to ICE fuels and where vast (electricity-consuming) battery cooling facilities don't have to be used. Similarly with storing hydrogen, where it needs to be stored under very high pressures and at very low temperatures.
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I am also of the view that the UK is a sufficiently wealthy, temperate country that is (mostly) capable of adapting.
It is only temperate because of the jet stream.If it changes, then it has huge implications. Scotland has higher building standards, but the rest of England will not be able to cope if there huge snowfalls. It will grind the country to a halt. Summer may be too hot.
The UK is the same latitude as Alaska.
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I am also of the view that the UK is a sufficiently wealthy, temperate country that is (mostly) capable of adapting.
It is only temperate because of the jet stream.If it changes, then it has huge implications. Scotland has higher building standards, but the rest of England will not be able to cope if there huge snowfalls. It will grind the country to a halt. Summer may be too hot.
The UK is the same latitude as Alaska.
The UK climate is "Temperate Maritime Climate" - we're on the edge of the huge Europe-Asia landmass so the main influence is the North Atlantic and the Gulf Stream.
The Jet Stream affects our day-to-day weather but not our climate.
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