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Various - Small/Medium Estate - chesterfieldhouse

With 2.5K to spend, l'm looking at small/medium (petrol) estate cars. To be used for general local duties, occasional longer journey's & accommodate a couple of medium size dogs The Ford Focus/Vauxhall Astra route seem to be in short supply, so l'm considering other offerings; which are:

Peugeot 207 SW - 1.4/1.6 (are these chain cam?)

Renault Clio Tourer - 1.2

Seat Ibiza - 1.4 (just in budget though not many)

l considered the Skoda Fabia however, do these petrol models (at this budget) have the suspect chain cam?

l know condition at this price point is a big factor.

Opinion, advice & alternatives welcome & much appreciated,.

Various - Small/Medium Estate - badbusdriver

The Focus and Astra are by far the most common small/medium estate, so if you can't find one of them, I'm not sure how easy it will be to find a much less common alternative.

But,

207SW, the 1.6VTI is the problem engine, AFAIK the 1.4 is fine.

If the Clio Tourer you are looking at is the turbo (1.2TCE), I think they are also to be avoided. N/A 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6 are fine. But the keycard you get rather than an actual key can be problematic, so I`d avoid.

Ibiza and Fabia are mechanically identical, i.e, what affects one affects the other. For for the record, the early TSI`s are the problem, the n/a 1.4 and 1.6 (105bhp) are fine (the 1.6FSI is also not great, but I don't think you get that in either car).

Various - Small/Medium Estate - badbusdriver

Just looked and the 207SW 1.4 is also a VTI and part of the same family of engines, so probably best to avoid that too. If you go back a generation to the 206SW, they are fine with the older 1.4 and 1.6 petrols.

Various - Small/Medium Estate - badbusdriver

Been looking at boot dimension figures and discovered that the length of the boot floor in the Ford Fusion is only 76mm shorter than the 207SW (so I`d guess if your dogs fit in the Peugeot, they will also fit in the Fusion) and about the same width. This is important, because compared to your other choices, the Fusion is comparatively plentiful within your budget. Petrol engine options are an 80bhp 1.4 and a 99bhp 1.6, both N/A and very reliable. We used to have one and it was a great little family car.

I`d also look at the Nissan Note. The figures I found for the boot dimensions say the boot floor is a fair bit shorter, but I`m fairly certain the rear seat slides on these and I`m guessing the measurement is with the seats slid right back. As with the Fusion, engine options are N/A 1.4 and 1.6, both very reliable. Also fairly plentiful on Autotrader.

Various - Small/Medium Estate - JonestHon

I know you are looking for the smaller segment estate but at your budget I wouldn't be fussy, a tidy, maybe one owner? low miler like this Primera would get my vote www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202112060274736?a...3

Edited by JonestHon on 03/01/2022 at 21:13

Various - Small/Medium Estate - daveyK_UK
£2.5k is difficult

I wouldn’t discount anything manual and petrol, it’s all about condition and just because it has 12 months warranty doesn’t mean it’s got no issues.
Various - Small/Medium Estate - pd

You're not going to get a 12 month warranty on a £2.5k car. This is banger territory these days. Any you do get won't be worth the paper it's written on.

Various - Small/Medium Estate - chesterfieldhouse

Thanks for the replies.

As l mentioned in the post, condition will have to be the the deciding factor. Having said that, l don't want to make it anymore of a risk by going for something that is known to have particular issues. l'll keep it simple & go naturally aspirated.

Just goes to show where & what you read, as the engine in the Pug 207 (1.4/1.6 petrol) received several awards & was well received. Thanks BBD for highlighting that may not be the case.

In terms of the Clio, my youngest daughter has a 14 plate 1.5 dci which she bought at 3 years old. Still has it & the only non service item that's been needed was a screen washer motor. l know BBD what you mean as to the card, l'd much rather have a key however, again apart from replacement batteries it's been ok.

l hadn't considered the Ford Fusion & that may be an option. You're right BBD to highlight the boot floor area, as this can be just as important as the height. Given that, to expand options, l may even have a look at a Focus hatch, particularly the 2008 - 2011 model which, at 385ltrs, has a decent boot, the only concern is the sloping rear screen.

l had considered the Nissan Note, though l was put off by reports of front subframe mount failures. l know corrosion at 10+ years old will be a concern on any car, is this something that's overblown?

Various - Small/Medium Estate - badbusdriver

l hadn't considered the Ford Fusion & that may be an option. You're right BBD to highlight the boot floor area, as this can be just as important as the height. Given that, to expand options, l may even have a look at a Focus hatch, particularly the 2008 - 2011 model which, at 385ltrs, has a decent boot, the only concern is the sloping rear screen.

A Focus sized hatch should certainly be considered (subject to the dogs fitting) as this will open up the options considerably. Re the height and sloping rear screen, I don't see this as being a problem for medium sized dogs unless the boot is especially shallow. Of more concern for me would be the fact that hatchbacks often (but not always) have a higher loading lip/height (than an estate/MPV), which could be troublesome for the dogs, especially if not in the first flush of youth! (another plus point for the Ford Fusion here is a very low loading height).

l had considered the Nissan Note, though l was put off by reports of front subframe mount failures. l know corrosion at 10+ years old will be a concern on any car, is this something that's overblown?

Have not heard any specific problems for the Note re subframes, but as you say, corrosion is potentially going to be a problem on any car at this price point. Check the MOT history for mention of corrosion underneath and if possible, get under any potential purchase with a screwdriver and torch for a poke and prod. Just be aware that corrosion mentioned in the MOT history may be nothing to worry about, it could just be surface rust on heavier gauge metal like the subframe or suspension components (hence the screwdriver!). This can be removed with a wire brush and then undersealed.

Various - Small/Medium Estate - Steveieb

Have some personal experience of the 207SW and the only problems we had was with well known electrical issues.

Firstly the earth lead on the rear light cluster that burns out if all the lights are on at once. An easy fix but main dealers charge close to £500.

Then the water ingress into the fuse board which left us stranded at the airport. Again an unusual cause down to water transferring by osmosis from the washer pump.

It took two replacement fuse boards at £150 before my I looked on the forums to find the cause.

The car was written off by the garage taking it out on a test run and crashing into a delivery van.

Only other draw back is the lack of power from the 1.4 engine. Pretty hopeless at overtaking !

But so much room and the lovely glass roof.

Various - Small/Medium Estate - pd

The water pump osmosis issue and general water ingress into ECU also affects the Focus and other cars based on it such as the Volvo S40/V50.