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Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - Miklio

Hi,

I picked up a 2007 Clio Dynamique 1.4 petrol a month ago - with 110,000 miles on the clock, seemingly in lovely condition. Both outside and inside it was extremely clean. It pulls like a train in all gears and runs so quietly and smoothly I sometimes can’t even tell the engine is on - a big improvement on my 02 Yaris! It had a single advisory at MOT 9 months previously '‘front play in steering rack inner joint(s) both ()'. Since that MOT it has done 1,500 miles, most of those miles by me in the last month since I bought it.

Two days ago, on the way home from work, the driver’s side ball joint failed, causing the car to belly flop onto the road and the right half axle to be snapped and ripped from the transmission. In retrospect, the only warning I had was a slight squeak from the right wheel after making a right turn the evening before, which soon disappeared. The car had to be towed and is now in for a £450 repair. I am still thanking my lucky stars I was going at low speed on a quiet road when it happened. I was just 60 seconds from joining the motorway sliproad.

I am now nervous and concerned that a car in such seemingly good nick with an innocuous looking MOT could harbour such a dangerous weakness. My question is: what should I be concerned about and what should I have inspected? Should I replace all ball joints? Other suspension / steering components?

Thank you for any advice!

Mike

Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - edlithgow

Dunno. People who do will probably come in with known weaknesses.

I'd perhaps get it MOT'd again early. Its not very long to go. Maybe tell them what happened (or have it done where its being repaired) to focus attention

You never have any absolute guarantee that a car isn't going to kill you, and 110,000 is non-trivial mileage.

Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - Bolt

Hi,

I picked up a 2007 Clio Dynamique 1.4 petrol a month ago - with 110,000 miles on the clock, seemingly in lovely condition. Both outside and inside it was extremely clean. It pulls like a train in all gears and runs so quietly and smoothly I sometimes can’t even tell the engine is on - a big improvement on my 02 Yaris! It had a single advisory at MOT 9 months previously '‘front play in steering rack inner joint(s) both ()'. Since that MOT it has done 1,500 miles, most of those miles by me in the last month since I bought it.

Two days ago, on the way home from work, the driver’s side ball joint failed, causing the car to belly flop onto the road and the right half axle to be snapped and ripped from the transmission. In retrospect, the only warning I had was a slight squeak from the right wheel after making a right turn the evening before, which soon disappeared. The car had to be towed and is now in for a £450 repair. I am still thanking my lucky stars I was going at low speed on a quiet road when it happened. I was just 60 seconds from joining the motorway sliproad.

I am now nervous and concerned that a car in such seemingly good nick with an innocuous looking MOT could harbour such a dangerous weakness. My question is: what should I be concerned about and what should I have inspected? Should I replace all ball joints? Other suspension / steering components?

Thank you for any advice!

Mike

Ball joints can seize and snap from the joint and not show on MOT, it wouldn`t be the first one to do that, but as its happened would be advisable to replace the other side in case its on its way out, they have a dust cover which the MOT tester is not allowed to lift, they can only look and on some occasions use a bar to test if there is any play in it, if so- depending how bad the play is -will get an advisory or IF really bad a fail.

but would recommend doing the other side as well....

Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - Andrew-T

Support Bolt's advice. As the rest of the car seems to be good (assuming belly-flopping has not been harmful) the cost of repair should be recovered by restoring the car's resale value.

No good imagining that when one thing fails everything else will soon afterwards. On a 15-year-old car things happen when they happen, and the purpose of an MoT is to forestall that wherever possible. Hence the 'advisories' we hear about.

Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - Grenache

Agree with the advice above. It's one of these parts that is difficult to inspect but does wear with age/mileage.

I do a high mileage and run cars well over that mileage and accept that parts like these need to be replaced. If the car is otherwise in good nick I would definitely repair it - and replace the other side too as a good precautionary measure, this will give you peace of mind and hopefully many more miles from the car.

Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - SLO76
Joys of owning an old car I’m afraid. You need to keep your eyes and ears alert to potential faults constantly and do regular checks both in the engine bay and underneath to intercept problems. If there was no knocking beforehand (there usually is) then you can’t have predicted this one I’m afraid nor could the Mot tester. On the subject of preventive maintenance, do you know when the timing belt was last changed on this car? It’s a common weak point on them and can wipe the engine out.
Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - Railroad.

The OP should be reminded that the purpose of the MOT test is to ensure the vehicle meets the MINIMUM standards for safety as set out by the Driver and Vehicle Services Agency (DVSA). It is not the intention, nor is it a requirement for the tester to predict how long any component will remain serviceable. He is only concerned with whether or not the minimum standards are met. The MOT test should also not be relied upon as a measure of roadworthiness, and certainly does not eliminate or reduce the need for regular servicing and maintenance. It is the responsibility of the driver of the vehicle to know and understand the condition of it.

Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - Andrew-T

The MOT test should also not be relied upon as a measure of roadworthiness,.

I thought that was exactly what the test was intended to show - but only on the day of the test, not for the next 12 months ?

Renault Clio Mk3 - Nasty ball joint failure on car bought 1 month ago - Bolt

The MOT test should also not be relied upon as a measure of roadworthiness,.

I thought that was exactly what the test was intended to show - but only on the day of the test, not for the next 12 months ?

It cant can it if the tester is not able to check components for possible failure like lifting a dust cover to check if a ball joint is badly rusted/seized, but think this has been discussed before ?