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toyota - stupid drivers - sandy56

Driving along on straight A road, light traffic, this morning doing about 45-50mph. Car in front decides to STOP to let a van join the A road. I didnt rear end him, as I was reasonable distance behind, but was not expecting someone to be so stupid and dangerous. Car behind me just stops short of my rear end. Good job it wasnt a full loaded artic behind him with driver on his phone. SO maintain good distance folks there are lots of stupids out there.

Edited by sandy56 on 08/09/2021 at 11:24

toyota - stupid drivers - De Sisti

Let it go. Shxx happens when driving. At least you weren't tailgating the driver in front of you.

toyota - stupid drivers - SLO76
Think of it more as a pat on the back for your driving standards. You’re obviously a diligent and observant driver, this paid off and saved you and others from a serious accident.
toyota - stupid drivers - Theophilus

I hesitate to pass judgment without knowing more of the circumstances, but it would seem to me to be encouraging that there are still drivers who are observant and considerate enough to see that a vehicle is waiting to join from a side road, and actually slows and stops to allow them to join the major road. I wouldn't regard such a driver as "stupid" but rather to be commended.

toyota - stupid drivers - RichT54

The only time I would think this would be acceptable would be if there was stop-start or very slow moving traffic on the major road. Certainly not on a "straight A road, light traffic, this morning doing about 45-50mph" that the OP described.

toyota - stupid drivers - Andrew-T

... it would seem to me to be encouraging that there are still drivers who are observant and considerate enough to see that a vehicle is waiting to join from a side road, and actually slows and stops to allow them to join the major road. I wouldn't regard such a driver as "stupid" but rather to be commended.

I disagree. There are established priorities on our road system, and it is foolish for drivers to decide to bend those rules on the spur of the moment, just to 'be nice' to another driver. It's impossible for other road users to prepare for such events, as this tale has shown.

There's a staggered cross-roads near here where people are always confusing other drivers by flashing at others waiting, contrary to convention. Luckily traffic there is not usually moving very fast.

toyota - stupid drivers - RT

.. It's impossible for other road users to prepare for such events, as this tale has shown..

1) Keep a sensible distance from the car in front so that you can stop if they stop UNEXPECTEDLY

2) Always be prepared for the unexpected

toyota - stupid drivers - Andrew-T

<< Keep a sensible distance from the car in front so that you can stop if they stop UNEXPECTEDLY >>

Yes, of course. But one has to hope that anyone/everyone behind does the same. Best not to disobey convention unnecessarily in the first place.

toyota - stupid drivers - RT

<< Keep a sensible distance from the car in front so that you can stop if they stop UNEXPECTEDLY >>

Yes, of course. But one has to hope that anyone/everyone behind does the same. Best not to disobey convention unnecessarily in the first place.

If the traffic behind you is too close then drop back even further.

toyota - stupid drivers - Andrew-T

<< Keep a sensible distance from the car in front so that you can stop if they stop UNEXPECTEDLY >>

Yes, of course. But one has to hope that anyone/everyone behind does the same. Best not to disobey convention unnecessarily in the first place.

If the traffic behind you is too close then drop back even further.

That will help the guy in front, but it won't help you that much ? Although it may make the driver behind itch to overtake a bit more.

toyota - stupid drivers - Engineer Andy

Driving along on straight A road, light traffic, this morning doing about 45-50mph. Car in front decides to STOP to let a van join the A road. I didnt rear end him, as I was reasonable distance behind, but was not expecting someone to be so stupid and dangerous. Car behind me just stops short of my rear end. Good job it wasnt a full loaded artic behind him with driver on his phone. SO maintain good distance folks there are lots of stupids out there.

This sort of thing happens quite a bit - it's fine in slow-moving traffic (and considerate, given they vehicle being let in could've been waiting for several minutes), but can be dangerous and counter-productive in faster-moving traffic.

It also shows how poor people's awareness is of other traffic around them - both of the driver needlessly letting someone out when a quick look in their mirrors often shows there's a decent gap two cars behind (I've seen cars slow right down to let a vehicle out when there is NOTHING behind them), and from people (obviously not here) tailgating, when leaving a reasonable distance could allow the vehicle in front to slow down a bit, flash th vehicle in the side road and allow them to enter the road with minimal effect on vehicles behind.

toyota - stupid drivers - Terry W

Seems to me that the driver in front of you behaved with courtesy and decency in letting the van out. The van only pulled out when it was safe to do so. There was no accident as others were alert.

Complaining about it paints the complainant as intolerant and arrogant - there are far more dangerous and inconsiderate motoring behaviours which would justify some criticism.

toyota - stupid drivers - sammy1

Seems to me that if the car behind the driver who stopped in the main carriage way was a policeman then the guy who stopped would have been done for ""Driving without due care an attention"" The guy stopping while perhaps being courteous to the one he let out was the complete opposite to the one behind! What a plonker! as Delboy would say!

toyota - stupid drivers - Andrew-T

Seems to me that the driver in front of you behaved with courtesy and decency in letting the van out. The van only pulled out when it was safe to do so. There was no accident as others were alert.

Well, yes he did. But as the traffic was 'light' I suggest there was no need for courtesy, as by waiting 10 or 20 seconds the van could probably continue anyway, without causing trouble to anyone.

'There was no accident ...' - that could be said on many occasions when everyone was fortunate. Sometimes they aren't, sometimes because they weren't alert.

toyota - stupid drivers - alan1302

Seems to me that the driver in front of you behaved with courtesy and decency in letting the van out. The van only pulled out when it was safe to do so. There was no accident as others were alert.

Complaining about it paints the complainant as intolerant and arrogant - there are far more dangerous and inconsiderate motoring behaviours which would justify some criticism.

No decency in stopping whilst doing 5mph on a light trafficked road - it's a stupid thing to do and could have caused an accident if the following driver was not as good as the op. It certainly does not make the intolerant or arrogant - they are following the rules of the road which the other driver certainly was not.

Why do you think they should have stopped to let a van out when there was only light traffic?

toyota - stupid drivers - Bolt

Why do you think they should have stopped to let a van out when there was only light traffic?

thats like asking why Prius drivers do as they please regardless of time of day in my area, anything from stopping sharpish to turn off, to doing U turns in stupid places and pulling out of sideroads without looking -or driving at 15-20mph where they are allowed 30-40mph in not very much traffic, to parking 3 feet from the kerb

toyota - stupid drivers - focussed

Stopping dead on a A road to let a vehicle emerge from a side road is not courteous or safe or desirable, it's just extremely dangerous. That's all it is.

Do that on a driving test and it's an instant dangerous fault - a big time fail usually with a boll*cking from the examiner at the end of the test if they are proper old ex-police class 1 examiners.

If it involved actually endangering other drivers, causing near misses etc the examiner may refuse to carry on with the test and get out of the car leaving the candidate at the side of the road.

The examiner is then usually picked up by a spare examiner and returned to the test centre.

It has happened, never to any of my pupils I'm glad to say.

toyota - stupid drivers - nlpnlp

Having lived just off the A69 for 20 years, I am sadly not surprised that a number of people think it is fine for a car to stop and give way for a vehicle waiting on a side road. We see multipe crashes and deaths on the road - and the nearby A68 - as a result of people not knowing how to drive on an A road.

As has been said it may be 'very polite' to stop and let someone pull out from a side road, but having had an articulated lorry plough into the back of my stationary car because of someone in front of me doing this, I am not a fan. Yes the lorry driver should have anticipated someone stopping on an A road to give way to a vehicle on a side road or some other event, but as has been said if they don't keep up to speed people behind them get frustrated and because they don't know the road overtake at inappropriate places, which also leads to crashes.

I appreciate that it can be an inconvenience sitting on the side road waiting to get onto the A road - I regularly have to wait 2 ot 3 minutes to get onto the A69 - but I build this eventuallity into the time I allow for a journey.

I know I sound like an old f*** but most drivers have no idea about something as simple as what the speed limit on the A69 is - it varies between 30 and 70 but is well signalled - so you regularly get people chugging along at 50mph in a 60 or 70 stretch. This frustrates other drives, who if they don't know the road will try and overtake at inappropriate places. It doesn't take much miscalculation to cause an accident when their is a head on combined speed of 120mph. I find drving on A roads far more dangerous than the motorway.

Edited by nlpnlp on 13/09/2021 at 17:15

toyota - stupid drivers - Terry W

Busy road. Drivers anxious to press on. Someone cruising at 50mph in a 60mph limit.

Must get by. Must get by.

Risky overtake manoeuvre. Success - two cars further forward. Now just a lorry and traffic lights to contend with.

What a plonker!!!

toyota - stupid drivers - badbusdriver

Busy road. Drivers anxious to press on. Someone cruising at 50mph in a 60mph limit.

Must get by. Must get by.

Risky overtake manoeuvre. Success - two cars further forward. Now just a lorry and traffic lights to contend with.

What a plonker!!!

Last week in the car coming home from visiting parents, I was near the back of a very long line of slow moving traffic headed by two articulated trucks. There were a couple of places I could have passed a car or two, but there was absolutely no way I'd get to the front of the line before getting to where we were all heading, so I just sat back and relaxed. The car behind me (and has been there about 5 miles), a BMW X3 decides he's got to overtake, near the end of a longish straight. Squeezes in right in front of me and progresses no further forward during the following 10 miles in to Peterhead. Utterly pointless and, since the driver did not take advantage the two other overtaking opportunities, annoying, like he just wanted to be in front of the little Suzuki Ignis!.

But the worst examples of i****ic/dangerous overtaking manoeuvres I have seen were when I was driving buses. Being behind a bus, even if they had no intention of going faster (if they could), seemed to be like a red rag to a bull. The amount of near misses I witnessed on a daily basis was pretty scary, that there were so many drivers on the road with such little regard for their own, or anyone else's safety.

toyota - stupid drivers - Bromptonaut

I find drving on A roads far more dangerous than the motorway.

That's the reality. Motorways are our safest roads.

One of the things that make ordinary single carriageways (A,B or unclassified) dangerous is people lacking the patience to wait when confronted with slower traffic.

toyota - stupid drivers - Engineer Andy

I find drving on A roads far more dangerous than the motorway.

That's the reality. Motorways are our safest roads.

One of the things that make ordinary single carriageways (A,B or unclassified) dangerous is people lacking the patience to wait when confronted with slower traffic.

I find that people get most frustrated and thus carry out dangerous manouvres under two circumstances:

1. They are travelling along a long road where there are lots of 30/40 limits through (quiet) villages but where the 60 limits in-bteween are short and difficult/danegerous to get by slower moving vehicles;

2. Rural A roads that are the only reasonable A to B route between towns but that are heavily used by HGVs, farm vehicles, leisure cyclists and holiday routes (caravaners). No reflection on those road user groups - given most if not all of them have little choice in what roads they are using (and have every right to be there).

I regularly see drivers' frustration build and they take ridculous chances with lives (not just their own) just to shave a few minutes off their journey, when a bit of better planning by leaving earlier would mean they still got to their destination safely on time.

A bit of courtesy, patience and respect for other road users is a good choice for all, I think.

toyota - stupid drivers - Engineer Andy

Having lived just off the A69 for 20 years, I am sadly not surprised that a number of people think it is fine for a car to stop and give way for a vehicle waiting on a side road. We see multipe crashes and deaths on the road - and the nearby A68 - as a result of people not knowing how to drive on an A road.

As has been said it may be 'very polite' to stop and let someone pull out from a side road, but having had an articulated lorry plough into the back of my stationary car because of someone in front of me doing this, I am not a fan. Yes the lorry driver should have anticipated someone stopping on an A road to give way to a vehicle on a side road or some other event, but as has been said if they don't keep up to speed people behind them get frustrated and because they don't know the road overtake at inappropriate places, which also leads to crashes.

I appreciate that it can be an inconvenience sitting on the side road waiting to get onto the A road - I regularly have to wait 2 ot 3 minutes to get onto the A69 - but I build this eventuallity into the time I allow for a journey.

I know I sound like an old f*** but most drivers have no idea about something as simple as what the speed limit on the A69 is - it varies between 30 and 70 but is well signalled - so you regularly get people chugging along at 50mph in a 60 or 70 stretch. This frustrates other drives, who if they don't know the road will try and overtake at inappropriate places. It doesn't take much miscalculation to cause an accident when their is a head on combined speed of 120mph. I find drving on A roads far more dangerous than the motorway.

When I was describing how sometimes you can let people out - it would only be where both parties can see eachother and other road traffic and make a reasonable determination of the impact.

Often I do this by flashing my lights to a vehicle on my local dual carriageway wanting to come out from a side turning - but only if no-one is either overtaking me, nearby behind my car and I'm far enough back where I either don't need to slow at all or I'm far enough back to just back off my speed a bit (say from 60 to 50) to give them a chance to slip on and gain speed or to cross over to the other carriageway - but giving me the option of overtaking them .

Doing so in heavy but fast-moving traffic, especially on a single-lane national speed limit road is far more dangerous and I'd be more cautious, possibly not letting them out. As I sadi, many people don't bother looking in their mirrors or around to notice other road traffic.

I'd certainly never back off more than 10mph unless we all were travelling sloly (40 or less) and would do so over a long period, not just braking at the last minute as some people do (especially with a vehicle, particaqlrly an HGV, close behind).

As you say, often people decide to overtake in dangerous places which means someone being let out on a single lane carriageway can be VERY dangerous indeed.

toyota - stupid drivers - sammy1

I think it is dangerous to let anyone out left or right on fast roads. How many times though have people pulled out in front of you and then proceeded to crawl along! The only safe place is when you are queuing. Drivers are all different age wise reaction wise and dare I say intelligence.