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2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - BML

A discussion is running in the Autosleeper Forum regarding the use of “specialist tyres. Is this a valid proposition and if so, why?

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Bromptonaut

A discussion is running in the Autosleeper Forum regarding the use of “specialist tyres. Is this a valid proposition and if so, why?

There's some stuff from Continental here that may throw some light.

I guess some have a longer rear overhang and a stowage compartment for bikes etc meaning the weight disrtibution is different to that on the underlying van/chassis.

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - badbusdriver

There is one main factor in choosing tyres for a van (or van based vehicle) and one supplementary factor which needs to be taken into account. The main factor is the GVW (gross vehicle weight), which is eventally the heaviest the vehicle can legally weigh. The other factor is the weight limit for the axle. This is an important factor because both axles will probably (definitely in the case of the rear) be able to support more than half the GVW of the van. This is to take into account that a van may have more of its weight towards either end of the load area rather than right in the middle. But in my experience, the tyres a van comes with when new, and should subsequently be fitted with, will take this variable into account. For example, the Ford Transit Connect I used to have had a GVW of 2320kg, but the tyres it came with had a weight rating of 95 which equates to 690kg. Four of which adds up to 2760kg.

So, IMO, there is no reason why a motorhome would need tyres specific to a motorhome rather than a van tyre with a suitable weight rating.

Edited by badbusdriver on 13/04/2021 at 19:03

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - daveyjp

Easiest way is to look on a brand new motorhome of similar weight and make note of the OEM tyres.

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - bathtub tom

You need to carefully check the load rating.

Decades ago, I had a tyre failure on a caravan on a bank holiday. Had it repaired to complete the journey, but it was obvious I needed a new tyre. Tried to get a new tyre without success. Finally found a replacement to get me home.

The replacement was 4-ply, the original was 6-ply. Felt it all the way home and got it replaced with a 6-ply ASAP.

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Will deBeast

I understand that many motorhomes run well overweight. Possibly their owners have never taken them to a weighbridge.

Many also spend weeks/months not moving.

I've no idea whether the likes of the specialist tyres are as good as they claim - but if they're not much more expensive, they seem a sensible choice.

I have a caravan, so similar but different requirements. I just go for a premium van tyre.

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - badbusdriver

I understand that many motorhomes run well overweight. Possibly their owners have never taken them to a weighbridge.

I find it difficult to believe that is anything other than the exception rather than the norm. What would a motorhome owner be carrying which would add so much weight?.

Maybe a DIY conversion where the owner has chosen a van which has too small a GVW for what they plan to do, but a vehicle which has been sold new as a camper will surely have been based on a van with a high enough GVW to cope with a fully laden camper van plus a bit extra in reserve?. Plus, any tyre specific to a motorhome is going to have a weight rating, exactly the same as any tyre. So unless the owner knows they are overweight (which is a different discussion), the tyre they choose will be based on the GVW the van base regardless of whether it is for a motorhome or a van.

And for the record, I`d be willing to bet far more vans run overweight than motorhomes!

Many also spend weeks/months not moving.

Many vehicles spend weeks/months not moving, classic cars being the obvious. As far as I am aware, there are no tyres available for classics, or anything else, designed specifically to cope with extended periods of being stationary. Any such tyre would surely be absolutely terrible in any other respect?.

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Bromptonaut

I find it difficult to believe that is anything other than the exception rather than the norm. What would a motorhome owner be carrying which would add so much weight?.

www.hortoncommon.co.uk/motorhome-weight-plates-exp.../

It would seem that like caravans the gap between the Mass In Running Order (MIRO); the vehicle's basic weight and Max Technically Permissible Laden Mass (MTPLM) for motorhomes is not as great as you might think.

The example in that link allows a payload of about 400kg. Deduct three adults @ 75kg and you've 175kg to play with. Add bikes, and awning and all the other gubbins folk carry and you're soon overweight.

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Will deBeast

Oh there are some shocking motorhomes around. Look at this motorhome www.edwardsmotorhomes.co.uk/vehicles/2020-auto-tra.../

Gross vehicle weight: 3500kgs, Mass in running order (MIRO): 3310kgs, Payload: 190kgs

I think the MIRO includes 75Kg for a driver, but it won't include the passenger. Add in some bedding, a tank of water, cutlery, crockery, saucepans, clothes, food in the fridge, some levelling ramps, deck chairs and the dog - and you'll soon be over weight.

Edited by Will deBeast on 16/04/2021 at 20:03

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - concrete

Tyres for a caravan definitely have a different rating to car or van tyres. Weight is not too much of an issue. We carry the usual awning, clothing, bedding etc etc but when I checked these weights they only accounted for about 90kg. My car weighs far more than my caravan so I dare say I could fit normal car or van tyres onto the rims but would rather play safe. Beside which the recommended tyres are not expensive at all. Seeing as they are the only contact with road I will not chance it. It pays to do your homework and also to think of the outcome if in the event of an accident if some eagle eyed insurance assessor spots an anomaly with the tyres and refutes the claim. Not worth thinking about.

Cheers Concrete

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Will deBeast

>> Tyres for a caravan definitely have a different rating to car or van tyres.

Not on any caravan I've owned. The tyres specs for my current one are 185R14, with a Load Index of 102 (850Kg each).

They are standard van tyres. The caravan came from new with Michelin Agilis van tyres.

www.caravanclub.co.uk/advice-and-training/taking-c.../

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - badbusdriver

Oh there are some shocking motorhomes around. Look at this motorhome www.edwardsmotorhomes.co.uk/vehicles/2020-auto-tra.../

Gross vehicle weight: 3500kgs, Mass in running order (MIRO): 3310kgs, Payload: 190kgs

I think the MIRO includes 75Kg for a driver, but it won't include the passenger. Add in some bedding, a tank of water, cutlery, crockery, saucepans, clothes, food in the fridge, some levelling ramps, deck chairs and the dog - and you'll soon be over weight.

That is crazy!, especially with that payload not including a passenger. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, after all, customers are going to demand all the mod cons in their motorhome, even if their license means they can't drive something more than 3.5 tonnes. Motorhome manufacturers are stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to give the customer what they want within package they can legally drive.

I don't see that as being relevant though. If they owner is unaware the motorhome is overweight, tyres suitable for a 3.5 tonne van will do exactly the same job as tyres for a 3.5 tonne motorhome. If the owner is aware that the motorhome is overweight, tyres suitable for a 4 or 4.5 tonne van are going to do exactly the same as those for a 4 or 4.5 tonne motorhome.

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - concrete

>> Tyres for a caravan definitely have a different rating to car or van tyres.

Not on any caravan I've owned. The tyres specs for my current one are 185R14, with a Load Index of 102 (850Kg each).

They are standard van tyres. The caravan came from new with Michelin Agilis van tyres.

www.caravanclub.co.uk/advice-and-training/taking-c.../

Interesting WdeB. I have been looking around for new tyres for my Bailey Pegasus. The tyres are available from Bailey and are very competitive. All the major tyre suppliers I have tried don't seem to have the exact match of numbers. Maybe I just don't know enough to be certain so think I will order from Bailey, there is enough uncertainty to create a doubt. As stated, if in the event of a claim I want everything to be right. I will check again, but even the big boys are not that competitive against Baileys.

Cheers Concrete

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Will deBeast

No worries, Concrete. I see that Bailey are now selling a brand called "Security", which I've not come across before.

www.primaleisure.com/product/1140039

www.primaleisure.com/product/1140040

My Unicorn came new with michelin, which Bailey made a big thing of at the time. www.caravantimes.co.uk/news/bailey-caravans-teams-.../

Michelin aren't available any more, so I fitted these last week, www.continental-tyres.co.uk/car/tyres/contivancont...0

Edited by Will deBeast on 20/04/2021 at 20:53

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - concrete

Thank you WdeB. Good information. I wonder if it is deliberate to slightly confuse caravan owners by not giving exact matching numbers etc for tyres and other equipment. I have noticed that if the word 'caravan' is included in an item the price increases significantly. Sometimes I come across items that are so similar for far less money. Again, we are targets for the marketing boys, trading on uncertainty of owners.

Cheers Concrete

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Will deBeast

Always happy to help if you want me to check the specs you want to buy (I'm a retired chartered engineer). As long as the tyre is the right physical size and has a high enough load index, it will be fine.

PS. my brother-in-law is a coastguard and runs his own boat. If we think caravan stuff is expensive,, the prices go up x4 for yachts!

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - concrete

Thank you WdeB very kind of you.

I believe that about boats too. If you know a thing or two I dare say you can use products or equipment that don't have the words 'boat' or 'caravan' included and the price is much reduced.

Cheers Concrete

2004 Autosleeper Polensa. - Specalist tyres for motor caravans? - Sparrow

I use Avon Avanza van tyres on VW Transporter campervan. They are better on muddy fields than the Michelin ones that were fitted when I bought it. They are standard van tyres of correct load rating.